If there are Android apps that are N/A on iDevices, this might influence the developers to develop for iOS too.
Yes, because there clearly are so many major apps on that situation. not.
And anyway, I don't see why an Android-only developer might be influenced to develop for iOS because Apple makes Android apps. Doesn't make any sense.
You really don't read well -- or are deliberately being obtuse.
Nobody is saying that Apple should make Android apps -- that is another, different, discussion.
Apple makes good money selling apps -- and most say they do it better than anyone else.
If there is money to be made "selling 3rd-party Android Apps for Android devices" -- should Apple participate? It certainly is worth considering by any savvy individual with an open mind.
Certainly there are pluses and minuses -- but that that does not justify ignoring the opportunity.
Sequel to a five year old idea product based on a fake rumor, there's only one Shamesung!!! if the iWatch rumor is true i expect Apple to launch a useful product instead of a product that is useful only to spy on your neighbour
If you don't mind me asking but how in hell a five year old product idea can compete with Apple products?
I should have been clearer! What was of interest to me is in the first minute -- that Intel will release a low-power Pentium-class SOC about the size of an SD card this year. Don't you think such a chip might have application in watches or smart phones?
It is ugly. I don't see users compelled to replace their elegant watches with this.
Its functionality is slim enough that it doesn't compel replacing a watch (or lack of watch) just for the functionality. Remember those calculator watches? Yes, they did more than a watch that just tells time, but the trade off just wasn't there. These watches may have some functionality for the heart rate and fitness portions, but there are better products focused on that at a much lower price point.
What does impress me about the watch is simply the specs. It is rapidly advancing to the point where it replaces a phone rather than is simply an add-on.
What is really bizarre to me is Samsung's choice of Tizen. As a disclaimer, I'm neither a Samsung, Google, no Apple hater. Tizen has some great potential in theory. Write once, run on any platform (Tizen, iOS, and Android) sounds great on paper- but usually ends up in apps that just don't feel like native apps. Samsung pushing its openness is obviously a bit of a joke, they are going to lock in their crappy software more tightly than they bloat other OS's. Too bad Allowing Android to run native on it is double edged, much like Windows debating adding it to PC Windows. If you can write for Android and have it run on Android, Windows, and Tizen, why bother with native Apps if your resources are strained?
I'll take a look at Tizen as a curiosity, but what doesn't make sense to me is they sell it in a watch that only works with Galaxy phones which run Android. Limiting their market to a small subset of people and then giving it a different OS than those people are already using just seems a little boneheaded.
They may (finally) introduce a Tizen phone this year, but it really should have been done concurrently with this thing if at all.
Guilty as charged -- I never visit that forum (looks like very few do).
We're posting in it right now, that's the funniest thing
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What I don't understand is why AI didn't post an article about Tango on the AI main site.
After all, the Tango project is about indoor mapping and location detection ...
Apple bought 2 companies in 2013 that have technologies that directly address these capabilities
I don't really understand what motivates the headlines here really. I disagree with most of DEDs articles and there's far too strong a focus on Samsung IMO. Tizen is DOA and Android is available for any competitor that can occupy mind-share. Personally I'd like to see Asus doing better as they have a lot of neat projects that are surprisingly relevant. Padfone for example. My Mum doesn't really want to carry around an expensive tablet that's a 'unique' computer from her phone. Better just to dock the two together.
Of course, I didn't buy her one, she bought herself some horrible Samsung mini thing recently. It's full of all sorts of horrible crapware. Just thought I'd have a little rant about the focus on Samsung.
The Sammy watch is of interest to many here, because it is potentially a competitor to an Apple product ...
On several occasions, Tim has stated that Apple is quite interested in "wearables".
As an Apple customer and aapl shareholder, I, for one, care very much about activity in this space ...
Including things like this:
This is nice for wearables but I think Apple will beat this with technology from ARM + P.A. Semi + Intrinsity + Passif Semi + AlgoTrim
When you combine these techs with Apple's quest for perfection you usually get the best of breed.
Besides, devices built on Intel SOCs will quickly become commodities with little if any differentiations in a very crowded market and the margins become very thin. That's why Apple makes its own SOCs.
Um... What does Apple [currently] sell [at a good profit] in the iTunes Store? Answer content: movies, TV shows, Books, Apps. What are Apps? Answer: Content!
You might try to think more broadly than the world as we know it ... Who can say what the next big Tech opportunity will be.
Apple has shown that there is good profit to be made in sales of digital content ... what other types of sales might offer good potential profits? Eh?
In those graphs, you can see that the most revenues comes from third party apps. Apple apps almost bring no profit to Apple especially now that they are free. The fact that they made them free simply shows that they are still meant to motivate people to use an iOS device. If someone wants to use iTunes they can on windows already. Putting it on Android would add some revenue, but remove one of the advantages of iOS, and in the end, it might be worse for Apple.
What about iPod nano? i'm pretty sure it was the first and SudoNym is right Shamesung copies everything from Apple inclunding their rumors
iTV= Shamsung Smart 70 999$
iWatch = Galaxy Gear
iPad Pro = Samsung Lag PRO
I don't want to be insulting, but do you really believe that 'Shamesung' reads as a devastating indictment of Samsung? It just reads as a childish insult to me. I really wish people would avoid it because it devalues their point.
I also think it's pretty hard to accuse Samsung of copying Apple products that don't exist. Almost every possible product has been rumoured from Apple including cars. You can't exactly decide well ok anyone who makes an electric car is copying off the Apple/Tesla rumours now can you?
You really don't read well -- or are deliberately being obtuse.
Nobody is saying that Apple should make Android apps -- that is another, different, discussion.
Apple makes good money selling apps -- and most say they do it better than anyone else.
If there is money to be made "selling 3rd-party Android Apps for Android devices" -- should Apple participate? It certainly is worth considering by any savvy individual with an open mind.
Certainly there are pluses and minuses -- but that that does not justify ignoring the opportunity.
Why not make Windows phones apps? Windows 8 apps. Linux apps?
Why not make fridges. Those sell well and Apple could design a beautiful fridge.
I don't want to be insulting, but do you really believe that 'Shamesung' reads as a devastating indictment of Samsung? It just reads as a childish insult to me. I really wish people would avoid it because it devalues their point.
I also think it's pretty hard to accuse Samsung of copying Apple products that don't exist. Almost every possible product has been rumoured from Apple including cars. You can't exactly decide well ok anyone who makes an electric car is copying off the Apple/Tesla rumours now can you?
Shamesung its a title that Samsung deserves mostly for: cheating in benchmarks, paying people to talk trash about their competition, for killing two people one in Slovakia Europe and one in S. Korea and releasing crappy products such as this one or Flip Phone with quad core and multitouch screen
Many of Shamesung trash said Shamesung Tab Pro was not based on iPad Pro rumor because it takes more than 6 months to build those tablets..well how do you explain Shamesung Tab Pro's having the exact same weight as the iPad Air and iPad mini?
Shamesung its a title that Samsung deserves mostly for: cheating in benchmarks, paying people to talk trash about their competition, for killing two people one in Slovakia Europe and S. Korea and releasing crappy products such as this one or Flip Phone with quad core and multitouch screen
Many of Shamesung trash said Shamesung Tab Pro was not based on iPad Pro rumor because it takes more 6 months to build those tablets..well how do you explain Shamesung Tab Pro's having the exact same weight as the iPad Air and iPad mini?
Weight is dictated by materials and size. Is your argument that Samsung are copying Apple because they're trying to make their products lighter? That's quite a stretch.
Does someone have any stats on the number of non-iOS users who would purchase content from iTunes? And what that figure might be once Apple releases a phone with a larger screen? I have my doubts that it would be enough revenue to be worth it. Plus Apple takes away one of the selling points of owning an iOS device. Seems to me people who are Android users by choice (beyond iPhone screen size being too small) probably wouldn't use iTunes anyway. Unless there's this huge swath of consumers who can't afford to own an iPhone but can afford to purchase content from iTunes? Is that a large number of people? One of the reasons I owned an iPod (and now own an iPhone and iPad) is because iTunes had content I couldn't get anywhere else. If I could have easily gotten that content and put it on another device I probably would never have owned an Apple device. Sure Apple needs to increase their service revenues but if it's at he expense of hardware revenue is it worth it?
It'll take a lot more than 3D vaporware to make it a major breakthrough. Apple has applied for, and been granted, several 3D patents of their own. Just because they don't broadcast every project they work on, and Google does, doesn't make Google an innovator.
You really don't read well -- or are deliberately being obtuse.
Nobody is saying that Apple should make Android apps -- that is another, different, discussion.
Apple makes good money selling apps -- and most say they do it better than anyone else.
If there is money to be made "selling 3rd-party Android Apps for Android devices" -- should Apple participate? It certainly is worth considering by any savvy individual with an open mind.
Certainly there are pluses and minuses -- but that that does not justify ignoring the opportunity.
Why not make Windows phones apps? Windows 8 apps. Linux apps?
Why not make fridges. Those sell well and Apple could design a beautiful fridge.
I certainly don't know what you are ranting about... Do you?
You really don't read well -- or are deliberately being obtuse.
Nobody is saying that Apple should make Android apps -- that is another, different, discussion.
Apple makes good money selling apps -- and most say they do it better than anyone else.
If there is money to be made "selling 3rd-party Android Apps for Android devices" -- should Apple participate? It certainly is worth considering by any savvy individual with an open mind.
Certainly there are pluses and minuses -- but that that does not justify ignoring the opportunity.
So you're suggesting Apple could offer an App Store on Andorid devices where they sold 3rd party Android apps? Presumably these would be apps not available in the Google Play store? Otherwise why would people choose to download these apps from Apple vs Google? I'm curious exactly how this would work. Seems to me all of Apple's software and services are geared towards making their experience unique. You want an Apple device because you get software and services you can't get elsewhere. Even if hardware growth is slowing (or margins are getting smaller) I think there are ways Apple can create new revenue streams that don't require them going cross platform, and would probably increase hardware sales. iBeacons, Touch ID could be the start of an amazing mobile payments system. I'd love it if I could pay for things using touch id on my iPhone and just have it charged to iTunes. I think the mobile payment market is a huge opportunity for Apple. And on their last earnings call Tim Cook basically admitted mobile payments was one of the thoughts behind Touch ID.
Haven't Samsung and Google agreed to share patents or something? I don't think there's going to be any major break-up between Sam and Goo anytime soon!
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You really don't read well -- or are deliberately being obtuse.
Nobody is saying that Apple should make Android apps -- that is another, different, discussion.
Apple makes good money selling apps -- and most say they do it better than anyone else.
If there is money to be made "selling 3rd-party Android Apps for Android devices" -- should Apple participate? It certainly is worth considering by any savvy individual with an open mind.
Certainly there are pluses and minuses -- but that that does not justify ignoring the opportunity.
SOT:
Lately, it seems that AI is slow to cover breaking stories such as this.
Some stories are not even covered at all -- for example the recent Google Tango project.
Tango is a smart phone and SDK with interior 3D mapping/navigation capability -- it could be a major breakthrough ...
Yet no mention by AI.
Edit: as I write this, ARS has more than a four hour lead, with 30 posts, before this AI article hit the Web.
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/02/samsung-replaces-the-galaxy-gear-with-a-pair-of-tizen-powered-smartwatches/
I noticed Tango
http://forums.appleinsider.com/t/162131/googles-project-tango-promises-realtime-3d-mapping-of-your-environment
Looks like nobody actually reads the 'General Discussion' forum though, I know that I typically only go to the front page first.
I should have been clearer! What was of interest to me is in the first minute -- that Intel will release a low-power Pentium-class SOC about the size of an SD card this year. Don't you think such a chip might have application in watches or smart phones?
Good catch!
Guilty as charged -- I never visit that forum (looks like very few do).
What I don't understand is why AI didn't post an article about Tango on the AI main site.
After all, the Tango project is about indoor mapping and location detection ...
Apple bought 2 companies in 2013 that have technologies that directly address these capabilities:
I just see this thing as market challenged.
It is ugly. I don't see users compelled to replace their elegant watches with this.
Its functionality is slim enough that it doesn't compel replacing a watch (or lack of watch) just for the functionality. Remember those calculator watches? Yes, they did more than a watch that just tells time, but the trade off just wasn't there. These watches may have some functionality for the heart rate and fitness portions, but there are better products focused on that at a much lower price point.
What does impress me about the watch is simply the specs. It is rapidly advancing to the point where it replaces a phone rather than is simply an add-on.
What is really bizarre to me is Samsung's choice of Tizen. As a disclaimer, I'm neither a Samsung, Google, no Apple hater. Tizen has some great potential in theory. Write once, run on any platform (Tizen, iOS, and Android) sounds great on paper- but usually ends up in apps that just don't feel like native apps. Samsung pushing its openness is obviously a bit of a joke, they are going to lock in their crappy software more tightly than they bloat other OS's. Too bad
Allowing Android to run native on it is double edged, much like Windows debating adding it to PC Windows. If you can write for Android and have it run on Android, Windows, and Tizen, why bother with native Apps if your resources are strained?
I'll take a look at Tizen as a curiosity, but what doesn't make sense to me is they sell it in a watch that only works with Galaxy phones which run Android. Limiting their market to a small subset of people and then giving it a different OS than those people are already using just seems a little boneheaded.
They may (finally) introduce a Tizen phone this year, but it really should have been done concurrently with this thing if at all.
Good catch!
Guilty as charged -- I never visit that forum (looks like very few do).
We're posting in it right now, that's the funniest thing
After all, the Tango project is about indoor mapping and location detection ...
Apple bought 2 companies in 2013 that have technologies that directly address these capabilities
I don't really understand what motivates the headlines here really. I disagree with most of DEDs articles and there's far too strong a focus on Samsung IMO. Tizen is DOA and Android is available for any competitor that can occupy mind-share. Personally I'd like to see Asus doing better as they have a lot of neat projects that are surprisingly relevant. Padfone for example. My Mum doesn't really want to carry around an expensive tablet that's a 'unique' computer from her phone. Better just to dock the two together.
Of course, I didn't buy her one, she bought herself some horrible Samsung mini thing recently. It's full of all sorts of horrible crapware. Just thought I'd have a little rant about the focus on Samsung.
The Sammy watch is of interest to many here, because it is potentially a competitor to an Apple product ...
On several occasions, Tim has stated that Apple is quite interested in "wearables".
As an Apple customer and aapl shareholder, I, for one, care very much about activity in this space ...
Including things like this:
This is nice for wearables but I think Apple will beat this with technology from ARM + P.A. Semi + Intrinsity + Passif Semi + AlgoTrim
When you combine these techs with Apple's quest for perfection you usually get the best of breed.
Besides, devices built on Intel SOCs will quickly become commodities with little if any differentiations in a very crowded market and the margins become very thin. That's why Apple makes its own SOCs.
In those graphs, you can see that the most revenues comes from third party apps. Apple apps almost bring no profit to Apple especially now that they are free. The fact that they made them free simply shows that they are still meant to motivate people to use an iOS device. If someone wants to use iTunes they can on windows already. Putting it on Android would add some revenue, but remove one of the advantages of iOS, and in the end, it might be worse for Apple.
Yes because Apple has a "smart watch" on the market right now that looks and functions similar to this.
What about iPod nano? i'm pretty sure it was the first and SudoNym is right Shamesung copies everything from Apple inclunding their rumors
iTV= Shamsung (Non) Smart TV 70 9999$
iWatch = Galaxy Gear
iPad Pro = Samsung Lag PRO
What about iPod nano? i'm pretty sure it was the first and SudoNym is right Shamesung copies everything from Apple inclunding their rumors
iTV= Shamsung Smart 70 999$
iWatch = Galaxy Gear
iPad Pro = Samsung Lag PRO
I don't want to be insulting, but do you really believe that 'Shamesung' reads as a devastating indictment of Samsung? It just reads as a childish insult to me. I really wish people would avoid it because it devalues their point.
I also think it's pretty hard to accuse Samsung of copying Apple products that don't exist. Almost every possible product has been rumoured from Apple including cars. You can't exactly decide well ok anyone who makes an electric car is copying off the Apple/Tesla rumours now can you?
Why not make Windows phones apps? Windows 8 apps. Linux apps?
Why not make fridges. Those sell well and Apple could design a beautiful fridge.
I don't want to be insulting, but do you really believe that 'Shamesung' reads as a devastating indictment of Samsung? It just reads as a childish insult to me. I really wish people would avoid it because it devalues their point.
I also think it's pretty hard to accuse Samsung of copying Apple products that don't exist. Almost every possible product has been rumoured from Apple including cars. You can't exactly decide well ok anyone who makes an electric car is copying off the Apple/Tesla rumours now can you?
Shamesung its a title that Samsung deserves mostly for: cheating in benchmarks, paying people to talk trash about their competition, for killing two people one in Slovakia Europe and one in S. Korea and releasing crappy products such as this one or Flip Phone with quad core and multitouch screen
Many of Shamesung trash said Shamesung Tab Pro was not based on iPad Pro rumor because it takes more than 6 months to build those tablets..well how do you explain Shamesung Tab Pro's having the exact same weight as the iPad Air and iPad mini?
Shamesung its a title that Samsung deserves mostly for: cheating in benchmarks, paying people to talk trash about their competition, for killing two people one in Slovakia Europe and S. Korea and releasing crappy products such as this one or Flip Phone with quad core and multitouch screen
Many of Shamesung trash said Shamesung Tab Pro was not based on iPad Pro rumor because it takes more 6 months to build those tablets..well how do you explain Shamesung Tab Pro's having the exact same weight as the iPad Air and iPad mini?
Weight is dictated by materials and size. Is your argument that Samsung are copying Apple because they're trying to make their products lighter? That's quite a stretch.
Tasker.
Correction: it seems like there is a iOS version now, though limited in functionality.
SOT:
Lately, it seems that AI is slow to cover breaking stories such as this.
Some stories are not even covered at all -- for example the recent Google Tango project.
Tango is a smart phone and SDK with interior 3D mapping/navigation capability -- it could be a major breakthrough ...
Yet no mention by AI.
Edit: as I write this, ARS has more than a four hour lead, with 30 posts, before this AI article hit the Web.
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/02/samsung-replaces-the-galaxy-gear-with-a-pair-of-tizen-powered-smartwatches/
It'll take a lot more than 3D vaporware to make it a major breakthrough. Apple has applied for, and been granted, several 3D patents of their own. Just because they don't broadcast every project they work on, and Google does, doesn't make Google an innovator.
I certainly don't know what you are ranting about... Do you?