1) You'd have banned him as a troll for thinking someone else might be a troll?
2) What does 6 months mean? If we're talking about a brand new account with little to no post history I would be able to see your point but we're talking 6 months and hundreds of posts, but more importantly his posts aren't snarky one-liners but in-depth and thoughtful enough to defend and explain his position. We need more of that around here, not less.
3) I see a lot more new posters getting upset for having replies of a differing opinion and the flaws in their logic or facts getting addressed back to them than I do non-trolls being called trolls.
4) I'm not a fan of these terms like Scamsung. They hurt an argument because they show a complete disregard at even attempting to approach a position fairly and objectively. When someone starts their conversation here with Crapple or iSheep do you expect their comment to be a worthwhile contribution to the thread?
Thanks for the support, SolipsismX. I often can't decide how long to make a post. I'm often tempted to write longer posts, but it's tempered by how bored I'm going to make the reader and the slowness of my typing. Probably a good thing, all in all!
The media makes their money off of advertising. When Apple was heavily advertising in the NYT and WSJ, those magazines became the foremost proponents of Apple. No doubt, it was easy for them since Apple has such an advanced lead over its competition. You may recall the regular front page Ads on the NYT, where Apple purchased both the Hero banner and the contiguous right hand side banner, playing them in sync.
Apple traditionally slows down its advertising after it makes its case and effectively makes a call to action. Allowing word of mouth to continue the campaign. This is a very effective approach and has the added benefit of gaining strong traction and new brand loyalists. After all, its easier to buy a product that your friend or colleague is using and is promoting glowingly.
I know very few Samsung S3/S4 buyers who plan to buy another Android device, whereas they simply state that they are waiting now for Apple to release a larger display on their iPhone. Justifying their current purchase, while allowing themselves a reason to return to the Apple camp. That leads me to conclude that the next iPhone will put a nail in Android high end phone coffin.
well, the Samsung S5 unveiled yesterday is a totally underwhelming new model. last year's chip, screen, and OS. a few more megapixels but no dual flash. various spec bumps and lots of bells and whistle gimmicks. and oh yes, a third-rate fingerprint sensor and gold plastic case - with dimples!
so what does the tech press do? gush about it! no real reviews yet but lots of hype about what a solid "evolutionary" improvement it is.
i guess "evolutionary" in only bad when Apple does it. if this same package were the 5S last year, it would have been branded a "total fail."
i can't wait to read the reviews of this blatant dog and see how they BS their way thru it all.
1) You'd have banned him as a troll for thinking someone else might be a troll?
2) What does 6 months mean? If we're talking about a brand new account with little to no post history I would be able to see your point but we're talking 6 months and hundreds of posts, but more importantly his posts aren't snarky one-liners but in-depth and thoughtful enough to defend and explain his position. We need more of that around here, not less.
3) I see a lot more new posters getting upset for having replies of a differing opinion and the flaws in their logic or facts getting addressed back to them than I do non-trolls being called trolls.
4) I'm not a fan of these terms like Scamsung. They hurt an argument because they show a complete disregard at even attempting to approach a position fairly and objectively. When someone starts their conversation here with Crapple or iSheep do you expect their comment to be a worthwhile contribution to the thread?
You can't really compare the terms Crapple and Scamsung. Apple products aren't crappy. But Samsung IS a fraudulent company, and even a trial showed that.
well, the Samsung S5 unveiled yesterday is a totally underwhelming new model. last year's chip, screen, and OS. a few more megapixels but no dual flash. various spec bumps and lots of bells and whistle gimmicks. and oh yes, a third-rate fingerprint sensor and gold plastic case - with dimples!
so what does the tech press do? gush about it! no real reviews yet but lots of hype about what a solid "evolutionary" improvement it is.
i guess "evolutionary" in only bad when Apple does it. if this same package were the 5S last year, it would have been branded a "total fail."
i can't wait to read the reviews of this blatant dog and see how they BS their way thru it all.
I've actually seen a lot of negative hands-on. People aren't excited about their new phone, even on Samsung boards.
Knowing that the S4 sold less than Shamesung expected, I wonder if that means the S5 will sell even worse. I'd say it will.
You can't really compare the terms Crapple and Scamsung. Apple products aren't crappy. But Samsung IS a fraudulent company, and even a trial showed that.
I agree that Samsung's tactics are very shady and I would also agree that Apple's quality is much better but I still don't think that excuses the usage from anyone.
Since we've gotten back to Samsung ( and let's agree the Galaxy series is crap - I didn't realise just how bad until I had to use an S3 or 4 at work. The camera doesn't focus, it's shite, the plastic, the laggardnes, the empty screens which do nothing, the screens which are advertising copy) can we find where there are "gushing reviews?". Relevant to this debate, I would have assumed.
On the subject of trolls - in the football (soccer) fan site I moderate ( which gets 100k views a day) accusations of trolling are considered personal attacks and are warned and then banned. Starxd probably is an Apple user, and probably has interesting things to say. The long term viability of the site - the forums at least - depend on new posters getting a civic welcome. He didn't.
We do mod actual trolls too.
It easier to find actual trolls here, if someone is posting from a Samsung device and is negative, or uses obvious codes words ( fanboy) they can disappear. I bet starxd was, in fact posting from a mac or an iDevice.
Accusations of trolling , particularly of newbies, are not just bullying tactics but a form of back seat moderation.
Well I knew the media can be bought. See how Samsung's Galaxy gets smart phone of the year when iPhone is better and even much better Android phones out there (HTC One X, Google Nexus). This is how Samsung rolls and is willing to do anything to get on top. Funny thing is that consumers are not as dumb as Samsung believes and we can see the underhanded moves they make. Laughable.
The long term viability of the site - the forums at least - depend on new posters getting a civic welcome. He didn't.
Either the poster got the response that they wanted, which was directly related to how to said "hello". Or they simply have no social skills. Which might be possible, but I personally doubt.
lets review the poster's "hello":
"Knowledge? What knowledge? There is nothing but pure speculation here regarding the reasons for the so-called negative press coverage. He has not one shred of evidence that it's because of "Apple's failure to pay." He simply made this up, plain and simple. How can anyone take him seriously when he writes such hysterical and baseless drivel? He gives Apple fans a bad name."
This is the hello I saw.
It flattly calls the Author a liar and hits Apple fans on the head for being idiots. What exactly was the reaction that was expected? As I said, the poster got the respect that they sought, directly proportion to the respect that he showed the Author and the fans.
A kind hello to the Author and Apple fans at a Apple fan site., gets a kind hello in return. Insults from get go, don't deserve a civic welcome. sorry, nice try, we are human. Not machines that take abuse and come back with open arms and a kiss.
If they possessed any social skills what so ever and wanted to be constructive, they could have done so. Instead, we got that as "hello".
come out the gates, coming over like an a**hole at an Apple fan site, be prepared to be escorted out with a jar of Vaseline fairly quickly by the fans.
start out civil and I'll be happy to be civil back. Somewhere the poster either missed this kind of social education somewhere in life, or knew exactly the type of response it would trigger and got what they wanted. I have no sympathy for someone who said there were caught completely off guard by the type of response they got from that opener. I don't buy it.
Either the poster got the response that they wanted, which was directly related to how to said "hello". Or they simply have no social skills. Which might be possible, but I personally doubt.
lets review the poster's "hello":
"Knowledge? What knowledge? There is nothing but pure speculation here regarding the reasons for the so-called negative press coverage. He has not one shred of evidence that it's because of "Apple's failure to pay." He simply made this up, plain and simple. How can anyone take him seriously when he writes such hysterical and baseless drivel? He gives Apple fans a bad name."
This is the hello I saw.
It flattly calls the Author a liar and hits Apple fans on the head. What exactly was the reaction that was expected? As I said, the poster got the respect that they sought, directly proportion to the respect that he showed the Author and the fans.
A kind hello to the Author and Apple fans at a Apple fan site., gets a kind hello in return. Insults from get go, don't deserve a civic welcome. sorry, nice try, we are human. Not machines that take abuse and come back with open arms and a kiss.
If they possessed any social skills what so ever and wanted to be constructive, they could have done so. Instead, we got that as "hello".
come out the gates, coming over like an a**hole, be prepared to be escorted out with a jar of Vaseline fairly quickly.
start out civil and I'll be happy to be civil back. Somewhere the poster either missed this kind of social education somewhere in life, or knew exactly the type of response it would trigger and got what they wanted. I have no sympathy for someone to be caught off guard by the response they got from that opener.
He criticised the author. The author isn't you ( or is he. Hard to tell with the sock puppetry).
DED isn't apple although this part of the site he's clearly an uncriticisable God.
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Thanks for the support, SolipsismX. I often can't decide how long to make a post. I'm often tempted to write longer posts, but it's tempered by how bored I'm going to make the reader and the slowness of my typing. Probably a good thing, all in all!
Apple traditionally slows down its advertising after it makes its case and effectively makes a call to action. Allowing word of mouth to continue the campaign. This is a very effective approach and has the added benefit of gaining strong traction and new brand loyalists. After all, its easier to buy a product that your friend or colleague is using and is promoting glowingly.
I know very few Samsung S3/S4 buyers who plan to buy another Android device, whereas they simply state that they are waiting now for Apple to release a larger display on their iPhone. Justifying their current purchase, while allowing themselves a reason to return to the Apple camp. That leads me to conclude that the next iPhone will put a nail in Android high end phone coffin.
well, the Samsung S5 unveiled yesterday is a totally underwhelming new model. last year's chip, screen, and OS. a few more megapixels but no dual flash. various spec bumps and lots of bells and whistle gimmicks. and oh yes, a third-rate fingerprint sensor and gold plastic case - with dimples!
so what does the tech press do? gush about it! no real reviews yet but lots of hype about what a solid "evolutionary" improvement it is.
i guess "evolutionary" in only bad when Apple does it. if this same package were the 5S last year, it would have been branded a "total fail."
i can't wait to read the reviews of this blatant dog and see how they BS their way thru it all.
You can't really compare the terms Crapple and Scamsung. Apple products aren't crappy. But Samsung IS a fraudulent company, and even a trial showed that.
I've actually seen a lot of negative hands-on. People aren't excited about their new phone, even on Samsung boards.
Knowing that the S4 sold less than Shamesung expected, I wonder if that means the S5 will sell even worse. I'd say it will.
I agree that Samsung's tactics are very shady and I would also agree that Apple's quality is much better but I still don't think that excuses the usage from anyone.
On the subject of trolls - in the football (soccer) fan site I moderate ( which gets 100k views a day) accusations of trolling are considered personal attacks and are warned and then banned. Starxd probably is an Apple user, and probably has interesting things to say. The long term viability of the site - the forums at least - depend on new posters getting a civic welcome. He didn't.
We do mod actual trolls too.
It easier to find actual trolls here, if someone is posting from a Samsung device and is negative, or uses obvious codes words ( fanboy) they can disappear. I bet starxd was, in fact posting from a mac or an iDevice.
Accusations of trolling , particularly of newbies, are not just bullying tactics but a form of back seat moderation.
The long term viability of the site - the forums at least - depend on new posters getting a civic welcome. He didn't.
Either the poster got the response that they wanted, which was directly related to how to said "hello". Or they simply have no social skills. Which might be possible, but I personally doubt.
lets review the poster's "hello":
"Knowledge? What knowledge? There is nothing but pure speculation here regarding the reasons for the so-called negative press coverage. He has not one shred of evidence that it's because of "Apple's failure to pay." He simply made this up, plain and simple. How can anyone take him seriously when he writes such hysterical and baseless drivel? He gives Apple fans a bad name."
This is the hello I saw.
It flattly calls the Author a liar and hits Apple fans on the head for being idiots. What exactly was the reaction that was expected? As I said, the poster got the respect that they sought, directly proportion to the respect that he showed the Author and the fans.
A kind hello to the Author and Apple fans at a Apple fan site., gets a kind hello in return. Insults from get go, don't deserve a civic welcome. sorry, nice try, we are human. Not machines that take abuse and come back with open arms and a kiss.
If they possessed any social skills what so ever and wanted to be constructive, they could have done so. Instead, we got that as "hello".
come out the gates, coming over like an a**hole at an Apple fan site, be prepared to be escorted out with a jar of Vaseline fairly quickly by the fans.
start out civil and I'll be happy to be civil back. Somewhere the poster either missed this kind of social education somewhere in life, or knew exactly the type of response it would trigger and got what they wanted. I have no sympathy for someone who said there were caught completely off guard by the type of response they got from that opener. I don't buy it.
Can you point to "gushing reviews"?
"See all 4,148 articles.":
http://news.google.com/news/story?pz=1&cf=all&ned=us&hl=en&topic=tc&ncl=dHyyRHyrC2uh-mMq-VeRLwRq8ni-M
Oh is 4,148 articles proof of gushing?
The first result opines.
Samsung Galaxy S5: A sturdy, snappy phone, but where's the innovation?
None of the rest of the titles - I can't be assed reading them all - "gushes".
here's a big ZDNet Gush:
http://www.zdnet.com/why-samsungs-galaxy-s5-is-the-best-business-smartphone-7000026772/
CNET is not going to be out-Gushed:
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13970_7-57619546-78/samsung-galaxy-s5-reveals-its-hidden-features/
PCMag goes straight to the heart of Gush - the specs:
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2454105,00.asp
More CNET Gush:
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13970_7-57619550-78/smile-the-samsung-galaxy-s5s-16-megapixel-camera-is-pretty-good-so-far/
here's my favorite Gush. it's not a major tech site, just one of those others that SS can buy outright:
http://www.latintimes.com/samsung-galaxy-s5-vs-iphone-5s-compare-features-specs-price-and-more-poll-155273
He criticised the author. The author isn't you ( or is he. Hard to tell with the sock puppetry).
DED isn't apple although this part of the site he's clearly an uncriticisable God.