yes, there are a lot of lukewarm or wait and see S5 reactions too. but a lame product like this from Apple would have gotten a scathing reaction instantly. the point of this DED Editorial is that Samsung gets favorable media coverage no matter what thanks to its ad budget.
Either the poster got the response that they wanted, which was directly related to how to said "hello". Or they simply have no social skills. Which might be possible, but I personally doubt.
lets review the poster's "hello":
"Knowledge? What knowledge? There is nothing but pure speculation here regarding the reasons for the so-called negative press coverage. He has not one shred of evidence that it's because of "Apple's failure to pay." He simply made this up, plain and simple. How can anyone take him seriously when he writes such hysterical and baseless drivel? He gives Apple fans a bad name."
This is the hello I saw.
It flattly calls the Author a liar and hits Apple fans on the head. What exactly was the reaction that was expected? As I said, the poster got the respect that they sought, directly proportion to the respect that he showed the Author and the fans.
A kind hello to the Author and Apple fans at a Apple fan site., gets a kind hello in return. Insults from get go, don't deserve a civic welcome. sorry, nice try, we are human. Not machines that take abuse and come back with open arms and a kiss.
If they possessed any social skills what so ever and wanted to be constructive, they could have done so. Instead, we got that as "hello".
come out the gates, coming over like an a**hole, be prepared to be escorted out with a jar of Vaseline fairly quickly.
start out civil and I'll be happy to be civil back. Somewhere the poster either missed this kind of social education somewhere in life, or knew exactly the type of response it would trigger and got what they wanted. I have no sympathy for someone to be caught off guard by the response they got from that opener.
He criticised the author. The author isn't you ( or is he. Hard to tell with the sock puppetry).
DED isn't apple although this part of the site he's clearly an uncriticisable God.
...and the poster is not you either. I thought you were interested in being civil. Or is civil only important if it helps your cause?
this is childish debate 101. If you can't counter any points, then go off on a different tangent and hope the audience does not notice. You get a gold star on your forehead and a "Block Member" from me. Congrats.
Not gonna waste my time, reading your childish rebuttals designed to waste my time and give yourself some kind of twisted rise playing catch me if you can.
yes, there are a lot of lukewarm or wait and see S5 reactions too. but a lame product like this from Apple would have gotten a scathing reaction instantly. the point of this DED Editorial is that Samsung gets favorable media coverage no matter what thanks to its ad budget.
sorry. the ugh was not for you. I grok what you are saying completely. The ugh was for all this childish "catch me if you can't" game that is being directed at you.
childish debate 101. If you can't counter any points, then go off on a different tangent and hope the audience does not notice. You get a gold star on your forehead and a "Block Member" from me. Congrats.
<span style="line-height:1.4em;">Not gonna waste my time, reading your childish rebuttals designed to </span>
waste my time and give yourself some kind of twisted rise playing catch me if you can.
You are a laughable simpleton. Your diatribe against this guy was primarily because he criticised the author. The author is not Apple. Not that Apple is uncriticisable . And the sane reaction of mac users to a security violation would be concern, not paranoid rants about how the press is making such a big deal because they are all paid off.
I've been here since 2003. It's people like you we need to get rid of.
In his defense asdasd only wants new posters to get a civic welcome. Being civil toward long time posters is apparently not a concern.
and that why they have been here since 2003. Makes sense. Well as far as I am concerned, they are no longer here. It's interesting to see how some people react when something hits the target. Evasion, puffing their chest w/ resume in hand to demand respect, flat out name calling and threats. I'm running out of gold stars.
Thank you AppleInsider for recognizing this! Long, but a very good post! Like they say - Apple we continue doing the right thing no matter how all the media out there is take pot shot at it!
This whole article starts from the very questionable premiss that Samsung and Apple’s businesses are similar enough to compare advertising spend and draw conclusions without drilling down deeper.
Samsung is a massive conglomerate that makes everything from raw components to household appliances, many of which are businesses in which Apple has zero presence. You can’t compare their advertising spend with Apple’s unless you can break it down by division or sector.
Great article!!! I completely agree with what was written. I do think that Apple needs to be more vocal about what is going on and not just keeping quiet. They are probably being the bigger man and turning the other cheek but as a multi billion dollar company they need to at least do or say something about the situation!!!
I think in general the media has been corrupted with "you advertise with us, we create good articles" -- it's basically a protection racket.
After BP had it's oil gusher in the Gulf, we suddenly saw a lot more "we care" ads on CNN and other news agencies. Lot's of gentle deer frolicking in woods next to oil pumps, as if it were the Rebel Alliance camouflaging a base and using their force powers to imbue it with extra nature love you long time.
For some reason, Apple got a reputation as being one of the ONLY sweat shop exploiters in China, and there's a lot of hype about their expensive products and captive market.
You can only prove these issues anecdotally, however, but anyone with a passing knowledge of the media knows the pay-for-play nature of coverage in most ad driven magazines and news outlets.
I noted DED used several Google references alongside mentions of Samsung astro-turfing and paid blogging efforts, I suppose hoping to conflate the two in readers minds. To the credit of AI readers it looks like no one fell for it.
Having said that if DED's theory is correct then with no evidence that Google pays for favorable coverage either I'd imagine it's only a matter of time before the media turns on them too. In fact IMO there's a lot more negative commentary on both Google and Apple than there was even 5 years ago. Microsoft is pretty much the invisible man now, relatively speaking, a testimony to how little influence is attributed to them nowadays.
Google doesn't have to pay for it, directly. Every one of the mentioned media sites depend on Google for ads on their sites. They also control the search engine that sends people to the sites as well. They are just very careful about biting the hand that feeds them. Who has the second largest search engine? Microsoft. The media has been increasingly soft on them as well. As far as Samsung, their pay for coverage tactics have played out in lawsuits around the world. But they buy lots to ads from media sites and papers. They even went as far as to nearly take over Best Buy. I went there last week and could not go anywhere in the store and not see a Samsung product or ad. It was overwhelming.
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All selective links. You can find critical articles on all of these sites. In fact your link proved the point.
seriously? do you honestly think you are going to play this game?
yes, there are a lot of lukewarm or wait and see S5 reactions too. but a lame product like this from Apple would have gotten a scathing reaction instantly. the point of this DED Editorial is that Samsung gets favorable media coverage no matter what thanks to its ad budget.
Either the poster got the response that they wanted, which was directly related to how to said "hello". Or they simply have no social skills. Which might be possible, but I personally doubt.
lets review the poster's "hello":
"Knowledge? What knowledge? There is nothing but pure speculation here regarding the reasons for the so-called negative press coverage. He has not one shred of evidence that it's because of "Apple's failure to pay." He simply made this up, plain and simple. How can anyone take him seriously when he writes such hysterical and baseless drivel? He gives Apple fans a bad name."
This is the hello I saw.
It flattly calls the Author a liar and hits Apple fans on the head. What exactly was the reaction that was expected? As I said, the poster got the respect that they sought, directly proportion to the respect that he showed the Author and the fans.
A kind hello to the Author and Apple fans at a Apple fan site., gets a kind hello in return. Insults from get go, don't deserve a civic welcome. sorry, nice try, we are human. Not machines that take abuse and come back with open arms and a kiss.
If they possessed any social skills what so ever and wanted to be constructive, they could have done so. Instead, we got that as "hello".
come out the gates, coming over like an a**hole, be prepared to be escorted out with a jar of Vaseline fairly quickly.
start out civil and I'll be happy to be civil back. Somewhere the poster either missed this kind of social education somewhere in life, or knew exactly the type of response it would trigger and got what they wanted. I have no sympathy for someone to be caught off guard by the response they got from that opener.
He criticised the author. The author isn't you ( or is he. Hard to tell with the sock puppetry).
DED isn't apple although this part of the site he's clearly an uncriticisable God.
...and the poster is not you either. I thought you were interested in being civil. Or is civil only important if it helps your cause?
this is childish debate 101. If you can't counter any points, then go off on a different tangent and hope the audience does not notice. You get a gold star on your forehead and a "Block Member" from me. Congrats.
Not gonna waste my time, reading your childish rebuttals designed to waste my time and give yourself some kind of twisted rise playing catch me if you can.
good to see you speak for yourself.
yes, there are a lot of lukewarm or wait and see S5 reactions too. but a lame product like this from Apple would have gotten a scathing reaction instantly. the point of this DED Editorial is that Samsung gets favorable media coverage no matter what thanks to its ad budget.
sorry. the ugh was not for you. I grok what you are saying completely. The ugh was for all this childish "catch me if you can't" game that is being directed at you.
You are a laughable simpleton. Your diatribe against this guy was primarily because he criticised the author. The author is not Apple. Not that Apple is uncriticisable . And the sane reaction of mac users to a security violation would be concern, not paranoid rants about how the press is making such a big deal because they are all paid off.
I've been here since 2003. It's people like you we need to get rid of.
@ asdasd,
FYI: I reported you for making an ad hominem attack toward four posters.
The long term viability of the site - the forums at least - depend on new posters getting a civic welcome.
You are a laughable simpleton.
I've been here since 2003. It's people like you we need to get rid of.
All in the same thread. bravo. yet moderators have yet to do anything about you since 2003? Congrats.
In his defense [B]asdasd[/B] only wants [I]new[/I] posters to get a civic welcome. Being civil toward long time posters is apparently not a concern.
@ snova,
In his defense asdasd only wants new posters to get a civic welcome. Being civil toward long time posters is apparently not a concern.
and that why they have been here since 2003. Makes sense. Well as far as I am concerned, they are no longer here. It's interesting to see how some people react when something hits the target. Evasion, puffing their chest w/ resume in hand to demand respect, flat out name calling and threats. I'm running out of gold stars.
Thank you AppleInsider for recognizing this! Long, but a very good post! Like they say - Apple we continue doing the right thing no matter how all the media out there is take pot shot at it!
BooHoo for Apple..
Grow up boysssss.. It happens,, the bragging of "no virus, no compromise hits us", well, i guess it does... But we fixed it. So good on you.
Oh, btw, yes I use a rMBP.. So what... doesn't mean I can't be teased or picked on. grow a pair fanboys.
Maybe I'm dumb or something but I couldn't find evidence of a 'gushing' review.
This whole article starts from the very questionable premiss that Samsung and Apple’s businesses are similar enough to compare advertising spend and draw conclusions without drilling down deeper.
Samsung is a massive conglomerate that makes everything from raw components to household appliances, many of which are businesses in which Apple has zero presence. You can’t compare their advertising spend with Apple’s unless you can break it down by division or sector.
Great article!!! I completely agree with what was written. I do think that Apple needs to be more vocal about what is going on and not just keeping quiet. They are probably being the bigger man and turning the other cheek but as a multi billion dollar company they need to at least do or say something about the situation!!!
After BP had it's oil gusher in the Gulf, we suddenly saw a lot more "we care" ads on CNN and other news agencies. Lot's of gentle deer frolicking in woods next to oil pumps, as if it were the Rebel Alliance camouflaging a base and using their force powers to imbue it with extra nature love you long time.
For some reason, Apple got a reputation as being one of the ONLY sweat shop exploiters in China, and there's a lot of hype about their expensive products and captive market.
You can only prove these issues anecdotally, however, but anyone with a passing knowledge of the media knows the pay-for-play nature of coverage in most ad driven magazines and news outlets.
I noted DED used several Google references alongside mentions of Samsung astro-turfing and paid blogging efforts, I suppose hoping to conflate the two in readers minds. To the credit of AI readers it looks like no one fell for it.
Having said that if DED's theory is correct then with no evidence that Google pays for favorable coverage either I'd imagine it's only a matter of time before the media turns on them too. In fact IMO there's a lot more negative commentary on both Google and Apple than there was even 5 years ago. Microsoft is pretty much the invisible man now, relatively speaking, a testimony to how little influence is attributed to them nowadays.
Google doesn't have to pay for it, directly. Every one of the mentioned media sites depend on Google for ads on their sites. They also control the search engine that sends people to the sites as well. They are just very careful about biting the hand that feeds them. Who has the second largest search engine? Microsoft. The media has been increasingly soft on them as well. As far as Samsung, their pay for coverage tactics have played out in lawsuits around the world. But they buy lots to ads from media sites and papers. They even went as far as to nearly take over Best Buy. I went there last week and could not go anywhere in the store and not see a Samsung product or ad. It was overwhelming.