[quote] There wasn't much we could gather from seeing the R300 run demo loops over and over again; benchmarking it was out of the question. The card was stable and as you can probably guess by now, this was the card that was running Doom 3 at E3 a couple weeks ago. The reason id Software was demonstrating Doom 3 on the R300 is simply because ATI has the fastest GPU that is in a stable enough form to actually run for any appreciable period of time. ATI's release schedule has always given them the ability to beat NVIDIA to the punch when it comes down to their Fall product releases. ATI usually releases in the Summer and NVIDIA follows in the Fall. The development of R300 has placed it in a very healthy state today and we are expecting to hear an announcement from ATI in the July/August timeframe.
Given that the chip is already up and running and production is due soon we are beginning to wonder if the R300 will be made on a 0.13-micron process or if it will be 0.15-micron like its predecessor. If it is indeed a 0.15-micron chip then there is the question of whether ATI will make it a DX9 compliant part with full floating point pipelines. Assuming ATI does make the R300 as feature rich as NVIDIA's NV30 currently appears on paper, then there's the question of yield and clock speeds. It will be interesting to see the design choices ATI made with the R300 and how that effects competition with the NV30 later this year.
The one thing that we could gather from the card that VIA was running is an idea of memory clock speeds. The DDR SDRAM chips used on the 128MB R300 card were 2.86ns parts rated at 350MHz, thus you can assume an effective memory clock of 700MHz. It is also safe to assume that the R300 has a 256-bit memory bus much like the Parhelia-512 and 3DLabs P10 GPUs resulting in 22.4GB/s of raw memory bandwidth without taking any sort of occlusion culling technology into consideration. Granted that this isn't an indication of final shipping clock speeds but it should give you a ballpark figure to expect from R300. With ATI providing boards for E3 and VIA's AGP 8X test, it will only be a matter of time before we see cards in reviewers' hands and eventually on store shelves.
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Gee, I wonder what else is in July? Whatever could this mean for the Mac market? Who knows. Time will tell.
Seriously, the more apple cases are reinvented, the more they look like file cabinets, toasters and other Kitchen Appliances to me
When they made the iMacs, iBooks and the Yosemite G3s, I thought that they were going to go with the Hyundai look, not the Stainless Steel Box look (titanium or not, that's what they look like to me).
I don't personally consider the Plain, Metallic Box appearance to be very high-tech looking, or in the case of a tower, very sleek at all. I would prefer to see lumpy bumpy and smoothed designs like what they did with the colorful computers of some years back.
I can't speak for the rest of the world, but I would personally prefer my Power Macintosh to not so closely resemble my Coffee Machine. Imagine the problems one could run into on a bad morning <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
<strong>Speaking about the original design posted, it is a good job indeed. It's not real, however - we would know if it were. If it were the real next revision G4, Apple would have moved to pull it from all the sites that currently display it. Apple has done it before. And even if it's real, and even if Apple didn't try to pull it because of widespread dissemination, Jobs would likely scrap the case and go with a totally different design just to keep us guessing.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Jobs wouldn't do that. There is NOT ONE single documented case of this happening before. It is nothing but urban legend and a foolish one at that. Even when the pro-mouse design leaked, Jobs didn't have it redesigned, and it would cost much less to redesign a mouse than it would a tower.
The amount of money needed to change a tower design this late in the game would be astonishing, you're talking about a total factory retooling, the design team would need to implement a new design, and maybe even create a new design if none of the existing one's were up to snuff. It simply could not be done.
I sure hope the next case looks like nothing posted in this thread. Something about the cases since 1999 have been very inspirational to look at for us creative types. If it goes to looking like a generic steel box, Apple's not gonna win any design awards this year, believe me. Frankly, the more purely fuctional a case is, the less good it is to look at. They can take liberties, and I expect them to (eg. sunflower-luxo imac design).
An Apple-Shaped, Quicksilver-Colored, Grainy-Chrome Surface Textured, Computer.
I'm not kidding; I think this could be the Ultimate design if apple could/would be willing to do it. An Apple-shaped computer, roughly twice the size of an 8x8 cookie jar (or maybe a little bigger, or smaller possibly). The perfect gimmick, a High-Tech look, and quite Innovative, don't you think? <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
An Apple-Shaped, Quicksilver-Colored, Grainy-Chrome Surface Textured, Computer.
I'm not kidding; I think this could be the Ultimate design if apple could/would be willing to do it. An Apple-shaped computer, roughly twice the size of an 8x8 cookie jar (or maybe a little bigger, or smaller possibly). The perfect gimmick, a High-Tech look, and quite Innovative, don't you think? <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
<strong>I have a friend who has been told by people he knows at Apple that the best way to describe the new case is to put two Cube's on top of one another.
I cannot picture it but he is sticking with it.</strong><hr></blockquote>
That sounds a lot like the stretched-Cube-on-its-side design that Dorsal mentioned way back when.
I don't really care what it looks like as long as its functional and does its job well. I hate it when someone creates a case just because it looks pretty and it actually sucks when you start using it.
Looks are important for imacs and consumer products, but for pro users I don't think looks should be priority #1. It's always a nice bonus though
I bet apple's next case will be box shaped and boring, but you will be able to buy clothes for it, to change it's look.
<strong>I don't really care what it looks like as long as its functional and does its job well. I hate it when someone creates a case just because it looks pretty and it actually sucks when you start using it.
Looks are important for imacs and consumer products, but for pro users I don't think looks should be priority #1. It's always a nice bonus though
I bet apple's next case will be box shaped and boring, but you will be able to buy clothes for it, to change it's look.</strong><hr></blockquote>
The design of the Power Mac case is extremely important. Don't know how much internal work you have done on a PC but having to use that philips screwdriver sucks! The side door design rocks so yes design & functionality matter as much as it does on the consumer side.
The only thing about what my friend told me that makes me go HMMMM is the depth of the cube. Stack two Cubes on top of each other and with that depth how do you arrange the PCI slots?
With all those ports on the front, it would not be nice to see four wire spewing from the front of a computer like a cow being hooked up to wires for it's milk/
\tAdd one of each kind, for hot-swappable things like Cameras, iPods (other music players would be shunned), and other items.
\tAll those ports seem more than needed and ooooooooooooooooooooo-glay
Don't you understand yet? Fully functional and ugly is where it's at! Mark my words, the next case will be a large aluminum shoebox with no lid and no screws, sitting on a mini lazy susan, with wires spewing everywhere out the top, 8 PCI slots, 8 RAM slots, and a bent coat hanger connected to a pringles can as the airport antenna. For $99, you can have "Admins make better lovers" or "MOVE!" engraved on the side. Or for the more practical folks, for $5 Apple will send you a Sharpie and you can write it on yourself...
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[quote] There wasn't much we could gather from seeing the R300 run demo loops over and over again; benchmarking it was out of the question. The card was stable and as you can probably guess by now, this was the card that was running Doom 3 at E3 a couple weeks ago. The reason id Software was demonstrating Doom 3 on the R300 is simply because ATI has the fastest GPU that is in a stable enough form to actually run for any appreciable period of time. ATI's release schedule has always given them the ability to beat NVIDIA to the punch when it comes down to their Fall product releases. ATI usually releases in the Summer and NVIDIA follows in the Fall. The development of R300 has placed it in a very healthy state today and we are expecting to hear an announcement from ATI in the July/August timeframe.
Given that the chip is already up and running and production is due soon we are beginning to wonder if the R300 will be made on a 0.13-micron process or if it will be 0.15-micron like its predecessor. If it is indeed a 0.15-micron chip then there is the question of whether ATI will make it a DX9 compliant part with full floating point pipelines. Assuming ATI does make the R300 as feature rich as NVIDIA's NV30 currently appears on paper, then there's the question of yield and clock speeds. It will be interesting to see the design choices ATI made with the R300 and how that effects competition with the NV30 later this year.
The one thing that we could gather from the card that VIA was running is an idea of memory clock speeds. The DDR SDRAM chips used on the 128MB R300 card were 2.86ns parts rated at 350MHz, thus you can assume an effective memory clock of 700MHz. It is also safe to assume that the R300 has a 256-bit memory bus much like the Parhelia-512 and 3DLabs P10 GPUs resulting in 22.4GB/s of raw memory bandwidth without taking any sort of occlusion culling technology into consideration. Granted that this isn't an indication of final shipping clock speeds but it should give you a ballpark figure to expect from R300. With ATI providing boards for E3 and VIA's AGP 8X test, it will only be a matter of time before we see cards in reviewers' hands and eventually on store shelves.
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Gee, I wonder what else is in July? Whatever could this mean for the Mac market? Who knows. Time will tell.
ZoSo
Got a ati 8500. Feel slightly sickly knowing it's going to be put in the shade and how.
<a href="http://www.anandtech.com/news/shownews.html?i=16504&t=pn"; target="_blank">http://www.anandtech.com/news/shownews.html?i=16504&t=pn</a>;
Try that link.
Ouch.
Let's hope Apple have a 'fifth' generation cpu to compete with AMD's eighth generation cpu.
Fourth quarter this year. Ouch II.
Lemon Bon Bon
<strong>why are the drive bays a different shade from the case?</strong><hr></blockquote>
because it is a edited xServe and the lighting isn't right
<strong><a href="http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.html?i=1632"; target="_blank">http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.html?i=1632</a>;
Gee, I wonder what else is in July? Whatever could this mean for the Mac market? Who knows. Time will tell.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Siggraph is. That's where they introduced the Radeon 8500 and FireGL 8800 last year. I bet they'll do the same.
When they made the iMacs, iBooks and the Yosemite G3s, I thought that they were going to go with the Hyundai look, not the Stainless Steel Box look (titanium or not, that's what they look like to me).
I don't personally consider the Plain, Metallic Box appearance to be very high-tech looking, or in the case of a tower, very sleek at all. I would prefer to see lumpy bumpy and smoothed designs like what they did with the colorful computers of some years back.
I can't speak for the rest of the world, but I would personally prefer my Power Macintosh to not so closely resemble my Coffee Machine. Imagine the problems one could run into on a bad morning <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
<strong>Speaking about the original design posted, it is a good job indeed. It's not real, however - we would know if it were. If it were the real next revision G4, Apple would have moved to pull it from all the sites that currently display it. Apple has done it before. And even if it's real, and even if Apple didn't try to pull it because of widespread dissemination, Jobs would likely scrap the case and go with a totally different design just to keep us guessing.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Jobs wouldn't do that. There is NOT ONE single documented case of this happening before. It is nothing but urban legend and a foolish one at that. Even when the pro-mouse design leaked, Jobs didn't have it redesigned, and it would cost much less to redesign a mouse than it would a tower.
The amount of money needed to change a tower design this late in the game would be astonishing, you're talking about a total factory retooling, the design team would need to implement a new design, and maybe even create a new design if none of the existing one's were up to snuff. It simply could not be done.
An Apple-Shaped, Quicksilver-Colored, Grainy-Chrome Surface Textured, Computer.
I'm not kidding; I think this could be the Ultimate design if apple could/would be willing to do it. An Apple-shaped computer, roughly twice the size of an 8x8 cookie jar (or maybe a little bigger, or smaller possibly). The perfect gimmick, a High-Tech look, and quite Innovative, don't you think? <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
<strong>Here's an interesting idea:
An Apple-Shaped, Quicksilver-Colored, Grainy-Chrome Surface Textured, Computer.
I'm not kidding; I think this could be the Ultimate design if apple could/would be willing to do it. An Apple-shaped computer, roughly twice the size of an 8x8 cookie jar (or maybe a little bigger, or smaller possibly). The perfect gimmick, a High-Tech look, and quite Innovative, don't you think? <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
Quite ugly, I think.
<strong>lol, 100% photoshop.
...
Actually I think I kinda wanna. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
If you read the thread, you'll see that this has already been agreed on. Infact, the version I did, was done in Photoshop in 20 minutes.
I cannot picture it but he is sticking with it.
<strong>I have a friend who has been told by people he knows at Apple that the best way to describe the new case is to put two Cube's on top of one another.
I cannot picture it but he is sticking with it.</strong><hr></blockquote>
That sounds a lot like the stretched-Cube-on-its-side design that Dorsal mentioned way back when.
Looks are important for imacs and consumer products, but for pro users I don't think looks should be priority #1. It's always a nice bonus though
I bet apple's next case will be box shaped and boring, but you will be able to buy clothes for it, to change it's look.
<strong>I don't really care what it looks like as long as its functional and does its job well. I hate it when someone creates a case just because it looks pretty and it actually sucks when you start using it.
Looks are important for imacs and consumer products, but for pro users I don't think looks should be priority #1. It's always a nice bonus though
I bet apple's next case will be box shaped and boring, but you will be able to buy clothes for it, to change it's look.</strong><hr></blockquote>
The design of the Power Mac case is extremely important. Don't know how much internal work you have done on a PC but having to use that philips screwdriver sucks! The side door design rocks so yes design & functionality matter as much as it does on the consumer side.
The only thing about what my friend told me that makes me go HMMMM is the depth of the cube. Stack two Cubes on top of each other and with that depth how do you arrange the PCI slots?
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\tAdd one of each kind, for hot-swappable things like Cameras, iPods (other music players would be shunned), and other items.
\tAll those ports seem more than needed and ooooooooooooooooooooo-glay
<img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
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\tAll those ports seem more than needed and ooooooooooooooooooooo-glay
<img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
Don't you understand yet? Fully functional and ugly is where it's at! Mark my words, the next case will be a large aluminum shoebox with no lid and no screws, sitting on a mini lazy susan, with wires spewing everywhere out the top, 8 PCI slots, 8 RAM slots, and a bent coat hanger connected to a pringles can as the airport antenna. For $99, you can have "Admins make better lovers" or "MOVE!" engraved on the side. Or for the more practical folks, for $5 Apple will send you a Sharpie and you can write it on yourself...