And therein you have the problem. Apple -and it's fans- have waaaay too much pride.
Where do think the modern industry would be if whoever invented ABS sued everyone who used it? Or if architects sued over a particular building method?
How do you think all these huge furniture designers feel about IKEA?
Shouldn't open your mouth about things if you don't know what you're talking about. There are a lot of patents involving ABS, and automakers do actually license them (both from each other and from component manufacturers like Delphi, Bosch and Seimens).
NOBODY has an overall patent on "ABS" just like nobody has a patent on "word processing" or "spreadsheets".
I dropped this thread with post #47 on page 2 and am amazed to come back and see it has stretched to page 6 with Rogifan still in the thick of it. Rogifan, dear, you remind me of my first wife. She always had to have the last word, too! But now it's early Monday. The weekend commercial break is over and we've all had a beer or a soda and popcorn and taken a leak or a dump. Time to get back to the trial later today so maybe we can have something new to argue about.
I dropped this thread with post #47 on page 2 and am amazed to come back and see it has stretched to page 6 with Rogifan still in the thick of it. Rogifan, dear, you remind me of my first wife. She always had to have the last word, too! But now it's early Monday. The weekend commercial break is over and we've all had a beer or a soda and popcorn and taken a leak or a dump. Time to get back to the trial later today so maybe we can have something new to argue about.
I respect when people are passionate about their points of view. That includes ????? even though I think his positions are usually deplorable.
The company I work for (a FTSE 100 fmcg) has produced documents like the one Samsung has done about competitors IP and how it relates to current products. This is done as an exercise in the first round of can we invent around the patent or to add another layer of functionality to that patent which would then make it patentable in its own right. The existence of such documents doesn't automatically mean that there is wilful infringement/copying going on although Apple are quite rightly trying to make sure the jury see it that way.
The question I would ask is, did Google patent their window shade or was it even patentable given what might exist as prior art? If so, then yes, they can make a determination as to whether Apple infringed their patent and, if so, sue for compensation.
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People like to claim Apple has borrowed (or stolen) many deals from Android, to which. Have two questiions:
1. Why hasn't Apple been sued (or counter sued) for their "stealing"?
2. Are you sure Android actually had the idea first?
This is sort of related to both posts. I seem to remember Cydia had notifications before the standard iOS or Android implementations.
Call it concern trolling if you want. I don't give a crap. And if you think a larger screen iPhone will take the wind out of Samsung, why did it take Apple this long to build one? Why did Apple allow Samsung to get as big as it is in the mobile phone market?
Apple didn't allow it to happen, Samsung's copying of Apple's products made it happen.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You’re not making this up! Oh dear heavens, send the Indian Mafia after him! Samsung will make themselves a pariah in every country on Earth!
This is sort of related to both posts. I seem to remember Cydia had notifications before the standard iOS or Android implementations.
Nope. The Cydia folks may well have been influenced by the feature shown in an Android reveal several months earlier in Nov of 2007. The Cydia app you recall didn't come out until the following spring.
I've heard what Tim Cook said and none of it makes much sense to me. I just read on CNET that DisplayMate said the GS5 has the best display they've ever seen in a phone. There are larger screen phones that have just as good of battery life as the iPhone. And as long as Apple keeps the physical home button it will be difficult to make the screen bigger without making the overall device bigger. So when we get a bigger iPhone this year (which I'm 99.9% certain we will) what will the reason be? Did Ive find some magical way to make a 4.7" or 5" phone comfortable to use one handed? Or does Apple have some radical change to iOS that we don't know about? Or a display that will blow away the competition?
Basically it seems like you're saying Apple hasn't made a larger screen iPhone (until presumably this year) because it wasn't profitable enough to do so. Which is fine, but it goes against what Ive (and Cook) have said about Apple's North Star being about making the best products, not about money.
It is impossible to use the S5's fingerprint scanner one handed.
This is an interesting point. While there have been phones like the GS3/4 Mini they have been junk. They weren't a smaller version of the flagship - they were also crippled in terms of features, performance and quality. I have never seen a compact Android phone with a top-end processor or screen quality of a flagship.
I'm wondering, do Android venders assume that nobody would buy a smaller premium device? Apple sells them by the gazillions, so why aren't they attacking Apple in this market?
Apple's marketing research found there's no growth to speak of in smaller phones. The fastest growing segment is the 4.5" and up devices. I would imagine other manufactures would have come to the same conclusion in their market research. You'll see a few "minis", two recent ones from Samsung and HTC for instance, but it's just not where the big numbers are even according to Apple's own folks.
This part makes sense to me. The case would be far too complicated and too long if Apple used more patents (say 20). Trials involving serial killers often break the cases down into smaller, more manageable trials instead of presenting ALL the evidence at a single trial.
The real problem isn't limiting patents - it's the time it takes to get to trial. A much better idea (IMO), would be to fast-track patent cases due to how fast the technology industry changes. It's ludicrous that Samsung can use IP for years before it gets to trial. If they had a fast-track system in place, Apple could have already completed several trials by now, with each one quickly deciding a few patents.
There's also much less of a chance of a mistrial with a smaller case. In a large, complex trial there's a greater possibility that one (or more) mistakes could happen which cumulatively could be enough to cause a mistrial. Look at Quinn last trial. They blabbed information about one of Koh's decisions to the press after she ruled they wouldn't let some POS Samsung phone that was nothing like an iPhone as evidence. In a long trial, how many more opportunities would Quinn have to introduce something they could use later to get a mistrial?
What you suggest is fine. I hinted at concurrent trials in my mention of multiple juries, but I agree that keeping the number of patents down may lead to less confusion. The thrust of my complaint was the yawning gaps between trials.
So is the old Rogifan being treated well? Have you spoken with his family? Or did you just pay him off and he left for the Cayman Islands? You can tell us, really.
Apple didn't allow it to happen, Samsung's copying of Apple's products made it happen.
I was responding to the comment that a larger screen iPhone will take share away from Samsung. Well if that's the case, then presumably had Apple released a larger screen iPhone in 2012 or 2013 Samsung wouldn't be as big as it is now because customers that wanted a larger screen phone would have gone with the better device - iPhone. But since Apple didn't offer that, Samsung stepped in, along with their huge marketing war chest.
It is impossible to use the S5's fingerprint scanner one handed.
And what does that have to do with Apple's reasons for making a larger iPhone? No one has yet explained how, in 2012 and 2013 Apple couldn't build a larger screen iPhone, but in 2014 they can. I'm not arguing for or against it - I'm quite happy with my 5S but also think it makes sense for Apple to offer multiple screen sizes like they do with iPads and Macs. I'm just interested to see how Apple announces this bigger phone to the world. Will there be something about this bigger phone that is so much better than the competition that it won't look like Apple is playing catch-up? I hope so. I'd love it if 2014 was 2007 all over again.
I was responding to the comment that a larger screen iPhone will take share away from Samsung. Well if that's the case, then presumably had Apple released a larger screen iPhone in 2012 or 2013 Samsung wouldn't be as big as it is now because customers that wanted a larger screen phone would have gone with the better device - iPhone. But since Apple didn't offer that, Samsung stepped in, along with their huge marketing war chest.
Before the iPhone launched Samsung was number two handset vendor in the world, behind Nokia and number one in the United States.
Nope. The Cydia folks may well have been influenced by the feature shown in an Android reveal several months earlier in Nov of 2007. The Cydia app you recall didn't come out until the following spring.
Before the iPhone launched Samsung was number two handset vendor in the world, behind Nokia and number one in the United States.
In overall mobile phone market share I believe Motorola held the number two spot by quite a large percentage over Samsung, whose market share was falling, with Nokia #1 of course. In the smartphone category Samsung had an even worse showing, lumped into the "others" category". If you have something that disagrees and shows Samsung as more successful than any manufacturer other than Nokia at the time I wouldn't mind seeing it tho.
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And therein you have the problem. Apple -and it's fans- have waaaay too much pride.
Where do think the modern industry would be if whoever invented ABS sued everyone who used it? Or if architects sued over a particular building method?
How do you think all these huge furniture designers feel about IKEA?
Shouldn't open your mouth about things if you don't know what you're talking about. There are a lot of patents involving ABS, and automakers do actually license them (both from each other and from component manufacturers like Delphi, Bosch and Seimens).
NOBODY has an overall patent on "ABS" just like nobody has a patent on "word processing" or "spreadsheets".
I respect when people are passionate about their points of view. That includes ????? even though I think his positions are usually deplorable.
The question I would ask is, did Google patent their window shade or was it even patentable given what might exist as prior art? If so, then yes, they can make a determination as to whether Apple infringed their patent and, if so, sue for compensation.
People like to claim Apple has borrowed (or stolen) many deals from Android, to which. Have two questiions:
1. Why hasn't Apple been sued (or counter sued) for their "stealing"?
2. Are you sure Android actually had the idea first?
This is sort of related to both posts. I seem to remember Cydia had notifications before the standard iOS or Android implementations.
Call it concern trolling if you want. I don't give a crap. And if you think a larger screen iPhone will take the wind out of Samsung, why did it take Apple this long to build one? Why did Apple allow Samsung to get as big as it is in the mobile phone market?
Apple didn't allow it to happen, Samsung's copying of Apple's products made it happen.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You’re not making this up! Oh dear heavens, send the Indian Mafia after him! Samsung will make themselves a pariah in every country on Earth!
There really is an Indian mafia.
I've heard what Tim Cook said and none of it makes much sense to me. I just read on CNET that DisplayMate said the GS5 has the best display they've ever seen in a phone. There are larger screen phones that have just as good of battery life as the iPhone. And as long as Apple keeps the physical home button it will be difficult to make the screen bigger without making the overall device bigger. So when we get a bigger iPhone this year (which I'm 99.9% certain we will) what will the reason be? Did Ive find some magical way to make a 4.7" or 5" phone comfortable to use one handed? Or does Apple have some radical change to iOS that we don't know about? Or a display that will blow away the competition?
Basically it seems like you're saying Apple hasn't made a larger screen iPhone (until presumably this year) because it wasn't profitable enough to do so. Which is fine, but it goes against what Ive (and Cook) have said about Apple's North Star being about making the best products, not about money.
It is impossible to use the S5's fingerprint scanner one handed.
Apple's marketing research found there's no growth to speak of in smaller phones. The fastest growing segment is the 4.5" and up devices. I would imagine other manufactures would have come to the same conclusion in their market research. You'll see a few "minis", two recent ones from Samsung and HTC for instance, but it's just not where the big numbers are even according to Apple's own folks.
Indeed; Samsung yet again trying to sully the waters.
What you suggest is fine. I hinted at concurrent trials in my mention of multiple juries, but I agree that keeping the number of patents down may lead to less confusion. The thrust of my complaint was the yawning gaps between trials.
I think Flaneur is expressing mild bemusement at the revelation of your gender, as one or two here seemed to think you were a guy.
Have you always been a member of the weaker sex?
I was responding to the comment that a larger screen iPhone will take share away from Samsung. Well if that's the case, then presumably had Apple released a larger screen iPhone in 2012 or 2013 Samsung wouldn't be as big as it is now because customers that wanted a larger screen phone would have gone with the better device - iPhone. But since Apple didn't offer that, Samsung stepped in, along with their huge marketing war chest.
Before the iPhone launched Samsung was number two handset vendor in the world, behind Nokia and number one in the United States.
Nope. The Cydia folks may well have been influenced by the feature shown in an Android reveal several months earlier in Nov of 2007. The Cydia app you recall didn't come out until the following spring.
Ah I was going from memory on that one. Thanks.
In overall mobile phone market share I believe Motorola held the number two spot by quite a large percentage over Samsung, whose market share was falling, with Nokia #1 of course. In the smartphone category Samsung had an even worse showing, lumped into the "others" category". If you have something that disagrees and shows Samsung as more successful than any manufacturer other than Nokia at the time I wouldn't mind seeing it tho.
http://www.canalys.com/newsroom/64-million-smart-phones-shipped-worldwide-2006
http://www.gartner.com/newsroom/id/501734
Even as late as 2008 Samsung's smartphone sales were essentially non-existent.
http://appleinsider.com/articles/08/02/05/iphones_share_of_us_smartphone_market_rises_to_28_percent.html