But the media and iHaters (some infesting this forum) all harped about GoogleTV (years ago) being the next "AppleTV Killer". Where are they now?
This is not a "new" contender. Just lipstick on a pig. Google will put it out, it will suck big time, and then they'll hope that people forget about yet another blunder this one-hit wonder product.
It "seems" to me that with regard to updating the Apple TV (and even to an extent launching the iWatch) Apple is letting all these companies fire their warning shots and establish themselves where they are so when Apple comes out with their update/new product there will be no mistaking where the innovation lies. Way back in 2006 and going into 2007 some of the same cries (even on this forum) were dropped for Apple to come out with their [B]thing[/B] sooner rather than later to ward off the competitors trying to one-up them. Hopefully, history will be rhyming this year.
And hopefully this time they'll be able to stop the slavish copying after the fact.
All these streamer boxes are basically the same. Once the movie starts, you cannot tell the difference between them. The only differentiating factor is the menu system, which are all about the same too. FireTV has voice search, Google will certainly have voice search and Apple will as well with the next revision. I fail to see the difference except for brand loyalty. As soon as someone comes out with 4K then all the others will follow in short order. It is really about the decoder chips being available in quantity at an affordable price, before that will happen.
All these streamer boxes are basically the same. Once the movie starts, you cannot tell the difference between them. The only differentiating factor is the menu system, which are all about the same too. FireTV has voice search, Google will certainly have voice search and Apple will as well with the next revision. I fail to see the difference except for brand loyalty.
The implementation and execution will be vastly different just as it is now with the Apple TV, Roku, and Google TV… as well as with Scientific Atlanta and Motorola digiboxes, and TiVo.
All these streamer boxes are basically the same. Once the movie starts, you cannot tell the difference between them. The only differentiating factor is the menu system, which are all about the same too. FireTV has voice search, Google will certainly have voice search and Apple will as well with the next revision. I fail to see the difference except for brand loyalty. As soon as someone comes out with 4K then all the others will follow in short order. It is really about the decoder chips being available in quantity at an affordable price, before that will happen.
There's no great product or capability differentiation that currently exists among the competing suite of set-top boxes to include the Apple TV. Unless there is a breakthrough capability, I fail to see that any device regardless of brand will make a dent in the existing marketplace. If people say that Apple is not innovating then this charge also holds true for Google and Amazon- their TV devices are ripe-offs of existing r=technology. I'm waiting foe Apple to break this paradigm on the 2 June WWDC.
This can't be right. The Verge needs to get thier stuff together. DED, in a very lengthy article written almost a year ago, assured us that Google was ditching Android and trying to distance themselves from it.
There's no great product or capability differentiation that currently exists among the competing suite of set-top boxes to include the Apple TV. Unless there is a breakthrough capability, I fail to see that any device regardless of brand will make a dent in the existing marketplace. If people say that Apple is not innovating then this charge also holds true for Google and Amazon- their TV devices are ripe-offs of existing r=technology. I'm waiting foe Apple to break this paradigm on the 2 June WWDC.
i am not sure Apple will break that paradigm. The television experience is not one which offers much scope for groundbreaking innovation. The Apple TV is more about the ecosystem and services. But you do need new hardware to market your goods, and each new iteration needs to introduce new technology. That is a paradigm that will not change.
It's understandable why Gogole would ditch GoogleTV. They created a horrible product and they are now scaling it back to a more realistic concept with a new name, but Chromecast has a modicum of success so why create this competitor to it. We know that Chromecast is really built from Android, not Chrome OS, so what is the key difference here? The HW? I don't get how this is going to help Chromecast going forward unless they are also ditching it in favour of Android TV.
It's not going to help anyone. I don't know of anyone using Chromecast.
Boom what? That Google leaked this right after Amazon announced their box? That the UI looks like Xbox? That's it's basically just copying what every other STB/console device does? Honestly I'd be curious to know how many people come home at night and curse their TV interface. It seems tech companies these days are tripping all over each other trying to find what the next big thing is. Yet none of them are doing anything that makes you go WOW or holy shit. It's all variants of the same things.
Though now that we're getting notifications on our phone, wrist and TV I expect Google to design a bathroom mirror that displays notifications. and maybe showers and refrigerators too. Make sure every minute of the day wherever you are you get notifications.
At what point do people start switching off?!?
Here's what needs to happen:
If I say "I want to watch X-men", I want the device to query Netflix, Amazon, Hulu, Crackle, Crunchyroll, etc for all shows that are "x-men" and return that in an unified interface. The Xbox 360 kinda does that. Not very well though.
Second I want a unified interface in which I can stop, play, skip, fast forward, rewind, record** and replay** anything that can be plugged into or streamed from this device. Hell I'll buy the first device that lets me record from any HDMI source and stream it to my Apple Toys. If I can't get a unified interface from the box, I at least want it streamed to a box that does.
I don't see anyone doing either. All the SmartTV's out there are horrible garbage that used Google's half baked GoogleTV(Android), so I don't see how Google can make it any worse or better without scrapping Android altogether, may as well scrap Android now before anyone actually uses it and we end up with another WindowsXP-security-swiss-cheese like current Android.
I'm not buying any TV boxes from anyone, nor am I going to pay the premium for a SmartTV until Apple shows it's hand. The current TV environment is a mess of incompatible junk that sucks on a HDMI port for it's single-purpose software (iTunes, Neflix, Amazon, Hulu, etc) and is otherwise only slightly more useful than cable/DTH boxes (which are super-slow, and can't stream to devices)
**I'm fully aware HDCP will not want this, but I'm not saying break HDCP, just use push it to the playback device.
Though now that we're getting notifications on our phone, wrist and TV I expect Google to design a bathroom mirror that displays notifications. and maybe showers and refrigerators too. Make sure every minute of the day wherever you are you get notifications.
They got you covered. The Verge reports that, in Android TV,
All these streamer boxes are basically the same. Once the movie starts, you cannot tell the difference between them. The only differentiating factor is the menu system, which are all about the same too. FireTV has voice search, Google will certainly have voice search and Apple will as well with the next revision. I fail to see the difference except for brand loyalty. As soon as someone comes out with 4K then all the others will follow in short order. It is really about the decoder chips being available in quantity at an affordable price, before that will happen.
But Apple TV is the only device that lets you mirror you iPhone/iPad content on you TV.
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I just took it as he was BOOMing the previous post by pazuzu.
But the media and iHaters (some infesting this forum) all harped about GoogleTV (years ago) being the next "AppleTV Killer". Where are they now?
This is not a "new" contender. Just lipstick on a pig. Google will put it out, it will suck big time, and then they'll hope that people forget about yet another blunder this one-hit wonder product.
And hopefully this time they'll be able to stop the slavish copying after the fact.
All these streamer boxes are basically the same. Once the movie starts, you cannot tell the difference between them. The only differentiating factor is the menu system, which are all about the same too. FireTV has voice search, Google will certainly have voice search and Apple will as well with the next revision. I fail to see the difference except for brand loyalty. As soon as someone comes out with 4K then all the others will follow in short order. It is really about the decoder chips being available in quantity at an affordable price, before that will happen.
The implementation and execution will be vastly different just as it is now with the Apple TV, Roku, and Google TV… as well as with Scientific Atlanta and Motorola digiboxes, and TiVo.
All these streamer boxes are basically the same. Once the movie starts, you cannot tell the difference between them. The only differentiating factor is the menu system, which are all about the same too. FireTV has voice search, Google will certainly have voice search and Apple will as well with the next revision. I fail to see the difference except for brand loyalty. As soon as someone comes out with 4K then all the others will follow in short order. It is really about the decoder chips being available in quantity at an affordable price, before that will happen.
Well, it's also about a couple of other things:
1) Content.
2) Affordable 4K monitors.
The only thing Google hasn't tried to clone from Apple is Steve Jobs himself. Crap...I just gave them an idea........
This can't be right. The Verge needs to get thier stuff together. DED, in a very lengthy article written almost a year ago, assured us that Google was ditching Android and trying to distance themselves from it.
http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/07/29/google-appears-ready-to-ditch-android-over-its-intellectual-property-issues
Typical DED clickbait.
I'm not sure that's what the interface will look like. I think Microsoft actually patented that look.
EDIT: Yup, here it is http://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-granted-us-patent-for-the-windows-8-start-screen
Here's what needs to happen:
If I say "I want to watch X-men", I want the device to query Netflix, Amazon, Hulu, Crackle, Crunchyroll, etc for all shows that are "x-men" and return that in an unified interface. The Xbox 360 kinda does that. Not very well though.
Second I want a unified interface in which I can stop, play, skip, fast forward, rewind, record** and replay** anything that can be plugged into or streamed from this device. Hell I'll buy the first device that lets me record from any HDMI source and stream it to my Apple Toys. If I can't get a unified interface from the box, I at least want it streamed to a box that does.
I don't see anyone doing either. All the SmartTV's out there are horrible garbage that used Google's half baked GoogleTV(Android), so I don't see how Google can make it any worse or better without scrapping Android altogether, may as well scrap Android now before anyone actually uses it and we end up with another WindowsXP-security-swiss-cheese like current Android.
I'm not buying any TV boxes from anyone, nor am I going to pay the premium for a SmartTV until Apple shows it's hand. The current TV environment is a mess of incompatible junk that sucks on a HDMI port for it's single-purpose software (iTunes, Neflix, Amazon, Hulu, etc) and is otherwise only slightly more useful than cable/DTH boxes (which are super-slow, and can't stream to devices)
**I'm fully aware HDCP will not want this, but I'm not saying break HDCP, just use push it to the playback device.
GoogleTV, Chromecast, Android TV....
That company is a disaster.
Nexus Q???
Thanks for your educational comment
While I like some of your intelligent comments on patents, you are being disingenuous thinking, Google didn't purposely announce this the same week,
Thanks for your educational comment
You're welcome.
But Apple TV is the only device that lets you mirror you iPhone/iPad content on you TV.