Google's Android 4.4 KitKat, also unveiled last year, still hasn't even officially rolled out to many owners of a variety of quite popular Android phones. Overall, Google reports that just 5.3 percent of its active Google Play users are now using KitKat.
Can't wait for the inevitable summer articles, between WWDC and September when everyone who will upgrade to iOS 7 has, and we hear how Apple is doomed because iOS 7 adoption isn't growing as fast as KitKat is.
visualization can be more powerful then simply text. I'll happily take the pie charts over the tables.
Considering we live with today's youth's coining their favorite IM statement concerning reading: TLDR; pie charts visually cut through the lazy nature of today' Generation Nothing.
Considering we live with today's youth's coining their favorite IM statement concerning reading: TLDR; pie charts visually cut through the lazy nature of today' Generation Nothing.
Both the person you quoted and yourself are right. It is a good way of presenting something clearly in this time where people definitely seem to become more lazy. Though one always has to be careful with visualizations as it is easy to manipulate them. For pie charts this is less important although it is possible to manipulate how they look somewhat certainly when they are in 3d (f.e. by taking a piece out it will seem bigger or by placing something on the far side of the pie it will appear smaller). But graphs are very easy to manipulate, just by for example changing the spacing on the X-axis or Y-axis and changing the starting point of the X-axis or Y-axis one can dramatize the effects. Which could result in evolutions looking more drastic or less drastic then they are. It's very easy to make the same increase look either less or more significant than it is. Therefor it's still always important to look at the numbers and the data selection.
Considering we live with today's youth's coining their favorite IM statement concerning reading: TLDR; pie charts visually cut through the lazy nature of today' Generation Nothing.
By that reasoning, KitKat grew by 112% in one month while iOS 7 grew by 6% over the last two months.
Yes when you compare percentages of change in two different numbers you can create all sorts of misleading ideas. Like Windows Phone, it’s doing so well because at some points it has increased by some huge percentage! Then you realize that the few million WP grew by is dwarfed by the several millions in new growth found elsewhere.
If you’re driving 5 MPH and increase your speed by 100%, you’re going a wicked fast 10 MPH. If you’re driving 80 MPH and speed up to 100 MPH, you’ve only increased your speed by a measly 25%. But don’t try to impress a cop with that sort of garbage comparison.
2 devices of my own that can't be updated plus constant reminders of how long Apple devices last fo, all the iPods Touch that were sold until a little over a year ago, all the first gen iPads, and all the iPhones 3G(S) I still see people using. Do you really believe all those devices that sold for years makeup only 13% of active devices?
Apple sold fewer than 20 million original iPads the first year. Since then it’s sold +170 million. So no, the original iPad is not big percentage of sales (8.5% and shrinking, not accounting for breakage or failure).
The iPhone 3GS was also a popular phone, but only during its first year. Second year sales drop off rapidly in favor of the new model, and third year sales are a very small percentage of overall sales. Also, after three years the number of those phones still in service begins dropping rapidly.
Any way you slice it, you have no support for your claim that old devices must be greater than 13% of the installed base. Instead, you’ve highlighted that virtually everyone who can update to iOS 7 already has.
The difference with Android is that a) lots of people who would like to upgrade can’t; b) there are still "new" phones shipping with really old versions of Android (yes, even iOS 4-era Android 2.x variants) and c) even phones on the same Android version (say, 4.3) still have different layers of crap that create fragmentation problems and security issues.
Am I the only one who has the feeling that DED's repeat button is stuck on 'on'?
It's well known that the adoption of Android updates is slower then that of iOS updates and the reasons for that are also well known, there is really no reason in repeating it to no end .
As long as there are people who keep lying about the tech market, you’re going to have to stomach listening to the truth begin reported over and over again.
If you don’t like it you can go hide out on an Android fan site and relish your delusions with likeminded folk.
Not intending to waylay the discussion but this is somewhat pertinent. Just finished reading an interesting article about developing for the two platforms. Whether typical or not it certainly sounds like an honest take on this developers experience. http://techcrunch.com/2014/04/06/the-fallacy-of-android-first/
As long as there are people who keep lying about the tech market, you’re going to have to stomach listening to the truth begin reported over and over again.
If you don’t like it you can go hide out on an Android fan site and relish your delusions with likeminded folk.
Lol easily agitated are we? It was just an honest remark questioning the use of such articles over and over again.
But looking at your second remark it seems like you think it's impossible to both like and use Android and Apple products.
I wonder what the number of people who upgrades is who wish they could go back to iOS6? Outside of this forum, I don't know a single person who is even remotely happy with iOS7, and at least 90% of them would go back to iOS6 if Apple would allow it.
I wonder what the number of people who upgrades is who wish they could go back to iOS6? Outside of this forum, I don't know a single person who is even remotely happy with iOS7, and at least 90% of them would go back to iOS6 if Apple would allow it.
Outside internet tech forums I don't know of anyone that complains about iOS 7 and wishes they could go back to iOS 6.
Anyone who tells me that they don't know people who hate iOS7 is lying. I'm just trying to find out what exactly it is that he's lying about.
What do you base that option stated as a "fact" on? Note that you didn't say that some people wish iOS 7 didn't have this or that issue but that they hate iOS 7 and wish they could go back to iOS 6 getting rid of all the features that are iOS 7 only, which would include Touch ID. Oh yeah, Touch ID is a gimmick feature that hasn't ever worked for anyone¡
By that reasoning, KitKat grew by 112% in one month while iOS 7 grew by 6% over the last two months.
But what matters, in terms of where the body of users resides, which is important to developers and to security, is the overall percentage using the latest OS version, not the relative growth of that percentage. Please tell me you comprehend this.
Yes when you compare percentages of change in two different numbers you can create all sorts of misleading ideas. Like Windows Phone, it’s doing so well because at some points it has increased by some huge percentage! Then you realize that the few million WP grew by is dwarfed by the several millions in new growth found elsewhere.
If you’re driving 5 MPH and increase your speed by 100%, you’re going a wicked fast 10 MPH. If you’re driving 80 MPH and speed up to 100 MPH, you’ve only increased your speed by a measly 25%. But don’t try to impress a cop with that sort of garbage comparison.
Actually percent change is the only way to compare growth rates. In other words you misused the word faster in your comparison of the growth. KitKat is changing more rapidly but controlling less market share. iOS 7 is adding more market share but changing more slowly.
I don't know what to say. It is equivalent. Apple adds new features and updates some parts of the system on integer updates while Google does those things to Android on point updates. On Android, integer updates seem to come only with major overhauls of the system and/or major UI overhauls; I've never seen it defined explicitly.
Apple seems to use point updates for bug fixing or small tweaks while point-point updates are used for critical bugs that need to be patched before a more broad release can be fully tested. On Android the point-point updates are equivalent to Apple's point updates where bugs are fixed and small tweaks are made. Sometimes Android's point-point updates come with a very short changelog to fix a critical bug (4.0.1, 4.1.1, and 4.2.1) but other times they fix a long list of bugs (4.0.4, 4.2.2, and the rumored 4.4.3), so these updates are equivalent to both Apple's point and point-point updates.
Then there's the issue of Android's version naming, whose relation to update numbering I haven't been able to determine. Jellybean covered 4.1 to 4.3 with each point update adding new features and updating core system components. Looking back, all three versions of Jellybean were more similar to one another than to either Ice Cream Sandwich or KitKat, but there were substantial differences between them nonetheless. I'm leaning toward UI design updates defining the naming scheme, but it doesn't quite work because 4.2 brought at least as many visual changes as 4.4. Maybe someone else can shed some light on the naming convention.
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Can't wait for the inevitable summer articles, between WWDC and September when everyone who will upgrade to iOS 7 has, and we hear how Apple is doomed because iOS 7 adoption isn't growing as fast as KitKat is.
Oh, wait. It already started.
why?
visualization can be more powerful then simply text. I'll happily take the pie charts over the tables.
Considering we live with today's youth's coining their favorite IM statement concerning reading: TLDR; pie charts visually cut through the lazy nature of today' Generation Nothing.
Considering we live with today's youth's coining their favorite IM statement concerning reading: TLDR; pie charts visually cut through the lazy nature of today' Generation Nothing.
Both the person you quoted and yourself are right. It is a good way of presenting something clearly in this time where people definitely seem to become more lazy. Though one always has to be careful with visualizations as it is easy to manipulate them. For pie charts this is less important although it is possible to manipulate how they look somewhat certainly when they are in 3d (f.e. by taking a piece out it will seem bigger or by placing something on the far side of the pie it will appear smaller). But graphs are very easy to manipulate, just by for example changing the spacing on the X-axis or Y-axis and changing the starting point of the X-axis or Y-axis one can dramatize the effects. Which could result in evolutions looking more drastic or less drastic then they are. It's very easy to make the same increase look either less or more significant than it is. Therefor it's still always important to look at the numbers and the data selection.
Plus it looks like pizza.
It's interesting to me how different authors spin the same data. In this article http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/04/01/android-platform-distribution-numbers-updated-kitkat-more-than-doubles-to-5-3-gingerbread-continues-its-slow-decline/ the change in KitKat's penetration was highlighted as more than doubling over the last month.
By that reasoning, KitKat grew by 112% in one month while iOS 7 grew by 6% over the last two months.
Yes when you compare percentages of change in two different numbers you can create all sorts of misleading ideas. Like Windows Phone, it’s doing so well because at some points it has increased by some huge percentage! Then you realize that the few million WP grew by is dwarfed by the several millions in new growth found elsewhere.
If you’re driving 5 MPH and increase your speed by 100%, you’re going a wicked fast 10 MPH. If you’re driving 80 MPH and speed up to 100 MPH, you’ve only increased your speed by a measly 25%. But don’t try to impress a cop with that sort of garbage comparison.
2 devices of my own that can't be updated plus constant reminders of how long Apple devices last fo, all the iPods Touch that were sold until a little over a year ago, all the first gen iPads, and all the iPhones 3G(S) I still see people using. Do you really believe all those devices that sold for years makeup only 13% of active devices?
Apple sold fewer than 20 million original iPads the first year. Since then it’s sold +170 million. So no, the original iPad is not big percentage of sales (8.5% and shrinking, not accounting for breakage or failure).
The iPhone 3GS was also a popular phone, but only during its first year. Second year sales drop off rapidly in favor of the new model, and third year sales are a very small percentage of overall sales. Also, after three years the number of those phones still in service begins dropping rapidly.
Any way you slice it, you have no support for your claim that old devices must be greater than 13% of the installed base. Instead, you’ve highlighted that virtually everyone who can update to iOS 7 already has.
The difference with Android is that a) lots of people who would like to upgrade can’t; b) there are still "new" phones shipping with really old versions of Android (yes, even iOS 4-era Android 2.x variants) and c) even phones on the same Android version (say, 4.3) still have different layers of crap that create fragmentation problems and security issues.
Am I the only one who has the feeling that DED's repeat button is stuck on 'on'?
It's well known that the adoption of Android updates is slower then that of iOS updates and the reasons for that are also well known, there is really no reason in repeating it to no end
.
As long as there are people who keep lying about the tech market, you’re going to have to stomach listening to the truth begin reported over and over again.
If you don’t like it you can go hide out on an Android fan site and relish your delusions with likeminded folk.
http://techcrunch.com/2014/04/06/the-fallacy-of-android-first/
As long as there are people who keep lying about the tech market, you’re going to have to stomach listening to the truth begin reported over and over again.
If you don’t like it you can go hide out on an Android fan site and relish your delusions with likeminded folk.
Lol easily agitated are we?
But looking at your second remark it seems like you think it's impossible to both like and use Android and Apple products.
Outside internet tech forums I don't know of anyone that complains about iOS 7 and wishes they could go back to iOS 6.
So you don't actually know any real humans who use iOS devices then.
This is really pretty funny until you realize how wrong it is.
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Anyone who tells me that they don't know people who hate iOS7 is lying. I'm just trying to find out what exactly it is that he's lying about.
What do you base that option stated as a "fact" on? Note that you didn't say that some people wish iOS 7 didn't have this or that issue but that they hate iOS 7 and wish they could go back to iOS 6 getting rid of all the features that are iOS 7 only, which would include Touch ID. Oh yeah, Touch ID is a gimmick feature that hasn't ever worked for anyone¡
But what matters, in terms of where the body of users resides, which is important to developers and to security, is the overall percentage using the latest OS version, not the relative growth of that percentage. Please tell me you comprehend this.
In Android's version numbering system, a point update is equivalent to an entire integer update on iOS.
Actually percent change is the only way to compare growth rates. In other words you misused the word faster in your comparison of the growth. KitKat is changing more rapidly but controlling less market share. iOS 7 is adding more market share but changing more slowly.
That's a good argument¡
That's a good argument¡
I don't know what to say. It is equivalent. Apple adds new features and updates some parts of the system on integer updates while Google does those things to Android on point updates. On Android, integer updates seem to come only with major overhauls of the system and/or major UI overhauls; I've never seen it defined explicitly.
Apple seems to use point updates for bug fixing or small tweaks while point-point updates are used for critical bugs that need to be patched before a more broad release can be fully tested. On Android the point-point updates are equivalent to Apple's point updates where bugs are fixed and small tweaks are made. Sometimes Android's point-point updates come with a very short changelog to fix a critical bug (4.0.1, 4.1.1, and 4.2.1) but other times they fix a long list of bugs (4.0.4, 4.2.2, and the rumored 4.4.3), so these updates are equivalent to both Apple's point and point-point updates.
Then there's the issue of Android's version naming, whose relation to update numbering I haven't been able to determine. Jellybean covered 4.1 to 4.3 with each point update adding new features and updating core system components. Looking back, all three versions of Jellybean were more similar to one another than to either Ice Cream Sandwich or KitKat, but there were substantial differences between them nonetheless. I'm leaning toward UI design updates defining the naming scheme, but it doesn't quite work because 4.2 brought at least as many visual changes as 4.4. Maybe someone else can shed some light on the naming convention.