I am currently living in Korea- and I saw a few 4s and 5 phones around, maybe 1/4. Right now though, the gold iPhone 5s seems to be gaining all sorts of ground. Mind you, samsung still has the larger footprint. But it is interesting for me to see how my friends (all Korean, no expats from any other country) are switching to iPhone. They are quite upset about the 'slush' fund that was brought up around 2010-2011, and the way the company tries to throw money at health problems so as to avoid being reported.
Koreans love all things Korean- most patriotic people i have met so far- but they love Korean people more than Korean companies with shady practices. It is starting to change. The 5s cost the same as the galaxy5 here in Seoul. My friends who have not left Samsung say they either want Tizen, or an iPhone with a larger screen. (age group 26-36)
There are boats full of people in that image who will most certainly drown violently. They are no doubt terrified of their impending doom.
But clearly, the Samsung apologists are out in full force, seeking to find some distraction from the actual article.
Wonder what percentage of voice you guys can represent.
As a general rule one should not invoke emotional remembrance of terrifying disasters with images unless the article is actually about that terrifying event. Words are different because the brain has to parse them on an intellectual level where as images are first interpreted on an emotional level. To trivialize such events as the tsunami in a cartoon manner is simply poor etiquette no matter which mobile phone model one prefers.
To trivialize such events as the tsunami in a cartoon manner is simply poor etiquette no matter which mobile phone model one prefers.
Samsung was the one who brought up the word Tsunami, and the cartoon merely illustrates what was on Samsung's mind at the time.
A Tsunami is a natural event, not political or man caused, and there's nothing wrong with using a picture from a recent Tsunami to illustrate what was on Samsung's mind and to show how much they fear Apple. They were the ones who brought up this whole Tsunami business.
Knowing that I can't imagine I would use the image but I wonder where does this sensitivity end? [@]dasanman69[/@] posted an image he feels is acceptable. Is it because it's a painting? Would the same image painted be acceptable or does it have to be a fictional event so that there is no possible way to have a direct connection to a living person?
Why not just make a wave made up of iPhones about to crash down on a SGS 3? Insensitive metaphors are used quite a lot. American football (don't wanna confuse our foreign brethren) uses blitz from German war tactic blitzkrieg in which millions of people died.
Samsung used tsunami to describe what could happen to their product, but nobody is going to die. The 'iPhone tsunami' has so far killed Palm, and BB is drowning, but all the people that worked for those companies are alive and well, and most likely gainfully employed.
Samsung was the one who brought up the word Tsunami, and the cartoon merely illustrates what was on Samsung's mind at the time.
A Tsunami is a natural event, not political or man caused, and there's nothing wrong with using a picture from a recent Tsunami to illustrate what was on Samsung's mind and to show how much they fear Apple. They were the ones who brought up this whole Tsunami business.
No one ever died because of a marketing campaign. The image is tasteless and whoever created it is a moron. I work for a Japanese company and I created several graphic illustrations such as a map and shock waves, etc. for our Japan aid fund raisers at the time but something like this is unacceptable.
As a general rule one should not invoke emotional remembrance of terrifying disasters with images unless the article is actually about that terrifying event. Words are different because the brain has to parse them on an intellectual level where as images are first interpreted on an emotional level. To trivialize such events as the tsunami in a cartoon manner is simply poor etiquette no matter which mobile phone model one prefers.
1) I don't think the qualifier "with images" is relevant for the general rule.
2) South Park episode "Jared has Aids" says it's 22.3 years before something can become funny.
No one ever died because of a marketing campaign. The image is tasteless and whoever created it is a moron.
How many tsunamis since recorded human history have not killed people? Since we tend to live near coasts and their size and speed are so massive it's hard to imagine that tsunamis in general are safe for people except for this one fluke event in 2011.
Why not just make a wave made up of iPhones about to crash down on a SGS 3? Insensitive metaphors are used quite a lot. American football (don't wanna confuse our foreign brethren) uses blitz from German war tactic blitzkrieg in which millions of people died.
Samsung used tsunami to describe what could happen to their product, but nobody is going to die. The 'iPhone tsunami' has so far killed Palm, and BB is drowning, but all the people that worked for those companies are alive and well, and most likely gainfully employed.
1) Does that painting represent a real event? If so, does that still mean it's not incentive?
2) Are every photograph tsunamis or other natural events that can possibly harm others also off limits?
I don't know if the painting represents a real life event. I'm not quite sure someone could be that close to that wave and live to paint a picture of it.
I think what struck a nerve with everyone is that those images are still fresh in our minds. We all watched the devastation it caused replayed on TV over and over.
No one ever died because of a marketing campaign. The image is tasteless and whoever created it is a moron.
If the image was of dead people, then I would agree with those who are complaining.
However, it's merely some water and some big waves. Yes, people die from Tsunamis, overly sensitive people and pc people do not have the right to not be offended by what they see.
There are boats full of people in that image who will most certainly drown violently. They are no doubt terrified of their impending doom.
But clearly, the Samsung apologists are out in full force, seeking to find some distraction from the actual article.
Wonder what percentage of voice you guys can represent.
How does a call for simple decency over an image of a catastrophic event make someone a Samsung apologist? I find Samsung's marketing and copycat product development as distasteful as anyone. The content of the article itself I actually agree with.
But, that does not justify using an image of a recent event that killed thousands of people. The "distraction from the actual article" is entirely on you, because you were the one who decided to post the image and try to justify it. If you don't think the article can stand on its own without this kind of gratuitous imagery, then that's also on you. The fact that you feel the need to attack people who call out this kind of tasteless imagery says more about you than it does about them, regardless of whose side you're on.
I think what struck a nerve with everyone is that those images are still fresh in our minds. We all watched the devastation it caused replayed on TV over and over.
I agree with that assessment but if it was 22.3, 50 or 150 years ago how does that make it any better? It really doesn't except that we choose to let our emotions get the better of us because it's directly more meaningful to us. For that reason I agree that it wasn't a good choice for a mockup but it still strikes me as highly irrational to get upset over when the intention of the author is clear.
How many tsunamis since recorded human history have not killed people? Since we tend to live near coasts and their size and speed are so massive it's hard to imagine that tsunamis in general are safe for people except for this one fluke event in 2011.
The word Tsunami can be used generically in good taste to represent power. For example the Apple PowerMac 9500 was code named Tsunami. The objection I have with the use in this article is that it is not a generic use of the term but specifically recreates an actual disaster in cartoon form with no consideration for the the emotional stress it causes for those who lost so much in that specific event.
Hilarious. Any time a Scamsung user tries to defend [their] plastic Scamsung phone as being better than an Apple aluminum & glass iPhone, I am going to show them Scamsung's own words that Scamsung plastic phones' quality is worse than Apple iPhone. I have always already told [them], but squirm they shall.
If the image was of dead people, then I would agree with those who are complaining.
However, it's merely some water and some big waves. Yes, people die from Tsunamis, overly sensitive people and pc people do not have the right to not be offended by what they see.
Ok. Let's say Samsung used a picture of a World War II Jewish concentration camp where no dead bodies were visible but everyone looked like they were about to die, and then tried to make a comparison to Apple's walled garden. How would you feel about that? Personally I knew one of the last survivors of the Holocaust who died recently. So yes that would invoke a reasonable negative emotional reaction on my part as well.
Samsung, a company that focuses on copying the competition and beating their competitors in all out war, including using every dirty trick in the book.
Apple, a company that focuses on producing great products and a great ecosystem that people actually want, and love to use.
Ok. Let's say Samsung used a picture of a World War II Jewish concentration camp where no dead bodies were visible but everyone looked like they were about to die, and then tried to make a comparison to Apple's walled garden. How would you feel about that? Personally I knew one of the last survivors of the Holocaust who died recently. So yes that would invoke a reasonable negative emotional reaction on my part as well.
I'd think it would be in poor taste on Samsung's part to use any horrific example from WWII, not just a picture.
Ok. Let's say Samsung used a picture of a World War II Jewish concentration camp where no dead bodies were visable but everyone looked like they were about to die, and then tried to make a comparison to Apple's walled garden. How would you feel about that?
I would feel that your comparison is pretty ridiculous, because a picture of waves is not exactly the same as showing soon to be dead people from a concentration camp." src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" /> It didn't take long before somebody brought Hitler into the discussion.
And again, there's the whole natural event VS political and man caused events.
I hope that nobody posts a picture of the sun tomorrow, I am seriously going to flip out! " src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />
I find pictures of the sun to be so offensive.
Did you know that probably a whole bunch of people died from skin cancer today?, caused by that evil sun!
It doesn't really matter anyway, because the picture has been changed, and the overly sensitive people who have a waves censorship fetish have gotten their way.
I agree with that assessment but if it was 22.3, 50 or 150 years ago how does that make it any better? It really doesn't except that we choose to let our emotions get the better of us because it's directly more meaningful to us. For that reason I agree that it wasn't a good choice for a mockup but it still strikes me as highly irrational to get upset over when the intention of the author is clear.
This whole argument/debate is ridiculous. If the word was used in its Western form, tidal wave, no one would be saying a word. To me, it all boils down to intent. It's no one else's problem but the person that takes it in a way that reminds themselves of a devastating disaster. If each of us related a term or word to a certain incident in our respective lives, no words or descriptions could be used to color an otherwise sterile, boring courtroom drama.
Did the author intend to relate Samsung's word or term describing what the release of a new iPhone does to the tech world…..to a natural disaster??? No.
Hypothetically, should I get bent out of shape and pissed off if DED used the term "quaking in their boots" when describing Samsung's reaction to the impending release of the larger iPhone 6….just because I lost a relative in an earthquake?
People need to grow a thicker skin, if you ask me.
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Koreans love all things Korean- most patriotic people i have met so far- but they love Korean people more than Korean companies with shady practices. It is starting to change. The 5s cost the same as the galaxy5 here in Seoul. My friends who have not left Samsung say they either want Tizen, or an iPhone with a larger screen. (age group 26-36)
There are boats full of people in that image who will most certainly drown violently. They are no doubt terrified of their impending doom.
But clearly, the Samsung apologists are out in full force, seeking to find some distraction from the actual article.
Wonder what percentage of voice you guys can represent.
As a general rule one should not invoke emotional remembrance of terrifying disasters with images unless the article is actually about that terrifying event. Words are different because the brain has to parse them on an intellectual level where as images are first interpreted on an emotional level. To trivialize such events as the tsunami in a cartoon manner is simply poor etiquette no matter which mobile phone model one prefers.
To trivialize such events as the tsunami in a cartoon manner is simply poor etiquette no matter which mobile phone model one prefers.
Samsung was the one who brought up the word Tsunami, and the cartoon merely illustrates what was on Samsung's mind at the time.
A Tsunami is a natural event, not political or man caused, and there's nothing wrong with using a picture from a recent Tsunami to illustrate what was on Samsung's mind and to show how much they fear Apple. They were the ones who brought up this whole Tsunami business.
Why not just make a wave made up of iPhones about to crash down on a SGS 3? Insensitive metaphors are used quite a lot. American football (don't wanna confuse our foreign brethren) uses blitz from German war tactic blitzkrieg in which millions of people died.
Samsung used tsunami to describe what could happen to their product, but nobody is going to die. The 'iPhone tsunami' has so far killed Palm, and BB is drowning, but all the people that worked for those companies are alive and well, and most likely gainfully employed.
Samsung was the one who brought up the word Tsunami, and the cartoon merely illustrates what was on Samsung's mind at the time.
A Tsunami is a natural event, not political or man caused, and there's nothing wrong with using a picture from a recent Tsunami to illustrate what was on Samsung's mind and to show how much they fear Apple. They were the ones who brought up this whole Tsunami business.
No one ever died because of a marketing campaign. The image is tasteless and whoever created it is a moron. I work for a Japanese company and I created several graphic illustrations such as a map and shock waves, etc. for our Japan aid fund raisers at the time but something like this is unacceptable.
1) I don't think the qualifier "with images" is relevant for the general rule.
2) South Park episode "Jared has Aids" says it's 22.3 years before something can become funny.
How many tsunamis since recorded human history have not killed people? Since we tend to live near coasts and their size and speed are so massive it's hard to imagine that tsunamis in general are safe for people except for this one fluke event in 2011.
Corporations are people¡
I don't know if the painting represents a real life event. I'm not quite sure someone could be that close to that wave and live to paint a picture of it.
I think what struck a nerve with everyone is that those images are still fresh in our minds. We all watched the devastation it caused replayed on TV over and over.
No one ever died because of a marketing campaign. The image is tasteless and whoever created it is a moron.
If the image was of dead people, then I would agree with those who are complaining.
However, it's merely some water and some big waves. Yes, people die from Tsunamis, overly sensitive people and pc people do not have the right to not be offended by what they see.
There are boats full of people in that image who will most certainly drown violently. They are no doubt terrified of their impending doom.
But clearly, the Samsung apologists are out in full force, seeking to find some distraction from the actual article.
Wonder what percentage of voice you guys can represent.
How does a call for simple decency over an image of a catastrophic event make someone a Samsung apologist? I find Samsung's marketing and copycat product development as distasteful as anyone. The content of the article itself I actually agree with.
But, that does not justify using an image of a recent event that killed thousands of people. The "distraction from the actual article" is entirely on you, because you were the one who decided to post the image and try to justify it. If you don't think the article can stand on its own without this kind of gratuitous imagery, then that's also on you. The fact that you feel the need to attack people who call out this kind of tasteless imagery says more about you than it does about them, regardless of whose side you're on.
I agree with that assessment but if it was 22.3, 50 or 150 years ago how does that make it any better? It really doesn't except that we choose to let our emotions get the better of us because it's directly more meaningful to us. For that reason I agree that it wasn't a good choice for a mockup but it still strikes me as highly irrational to get upset over when the intention of the author is clear.
The word Tsunami can be used generically in good taste to represent power. For example the Apple PowerMac 9500 was code named Tsunami. The objection I have with the use in this article is that it is not a generic use of the term but specifically recreates an actual disaster in cartoon form with no consideration for the the emotional stress it causes for those who lost so much in that specific event.
Hilarious. Any time a Scamsung user tries to defend [their] plastic Scamsung phone as being better than an Apple aluminum & glass iPhone, I am going to show them Scamsung's own words that Scamsung plastic phones' quality is worse than Apple iPhone. I have always already told [them], but squirm they shall.
However, it's merely some water and some big waves. Yes, people die from Tsunamis, overly sensitive people and pc people do not have the right to not be offended by what they see.
Ok. Let's say Samsung used a picture of a World War II Jewish concentration camp where no dead bodies were visible but everyone looked like they were about to die, and then tried to make a comparison to Apple's walled garden. How would you feel about that? Personally I knew one of the last survivors of the Holocaust who died recently. So yes that would invoke a reasonable negative emotional reaction on my part as well.
Maybe Samsung's language regarding their warlike attack on Apple would be better illustrated by pictures of Pearl Harbour.
Meanwhile have a fucking tissue.
SAMSUNG chose the language and set the tone, the First Amendment allows illustration of their concepts.
HTFU
Apple, a company that focuses on producing great products and a great ecosystem that people actually want, and love to use.
Worlds apart.
I'm amazed that Samsung has not resorted to/resurrected, subliminal advertising yet. Or maybe they have.
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This post is a bit too highbrow for me, can you dumb it down a bit?
I'd think it would be in poor taste on Samsung's part to use any horrific example from WWII, not just a picture.
Ok. Let's say Samsung used a picture of a World War II Jewish concentration camp where no dead bodies were visable but everyone looked like they were about to die, and then tried to make a comparison to Apple's walled garden. How would you feel about that?
I would feel that your comparison is pretty ridiculous, because a picture of waves is not exactly the same as showing soon to be dead people from a concentration camp.
" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" /> It didn't take long before somebody brought Hitler into the discussion.
And again, there's the whole natural event VS political and man caused events.
I hope that nobody posts a picture of the sun tomorrow, I am seriously going to flip out!
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I find pictures of the sun to be so offensive.
Did you know that probably a whole bunch of people died from skin cancer today?, caused by that evil sun!
It doesn't really matter anyway, because the picture has been changed, and the overly sensitive people who have a waves censorship fetish have gotten their way.
I agree with that assessment but if it was 22.3, 50 or 150 years ago how does that make it any better? It really doesn't except that we choose to let our emotions get the better of us because it's directly more meaningful to us. For that reason I agree that it wasn't a good choice for a mockup but it still strikes me as highly irrational to get upset over when the intention of the author is clear.
This whole argument/debate is ridiculous. If the word was used in its Western form, tidal wave, no one would be saying a word. To me, it all boils down to intent. It's no one else's problem but the person that takes it in a way that reminds themselves of a devastating disaster. If each of us related a term or word to a certain incident in our respective lives, no words or descriptions could be used to color an otherwise sterile, boring courtroom drama.
Did the author intend to relate Samsung's word or term describing what the release of a new iPhone does to the tech world…..to a natural disaster??? No.
Hypothetically, should I get bent out of shape and pissed off if DED used the term "quaking in their boots" when describing Samsung's reaction to the impending release of the larger iPhone 6….just because I lost a relative in an earthquake?
People need to grow a thicker skin, if you ask me.