Samsung email targeted Steve Jobs' death as "our best opportunity to attack iPhone"

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  • Reply 81 of 146
    ws11ws11 Posts: 159member

    Why am I not surprised, business as usual at Samsung.  Mind you, I'm sure many of these billion dollar companies would look to seize an opportunity when they had the chance.  For better or for worse even Apple was utilizing Steve Jobs' death to sell more products and raise brand awareness. 

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  • Reply 82 of 146
    flaneurflaneur Posts: 4,526member
    ai46 wrote: »

    Heh, many of us remember Iron Eyes Cody as a teenager.

    Many of us? Really? I suspect you may hold the record. I'm only a year or two younger than Dick Applebaum. You must be older than he is!
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  • Reply 83 of 146
    dewmedewme Posts: 6,106member
    The "I'm a Mac..." ads were brilliant in using distinctly different personalities, one cool and one semi dimwitted, to represent the different products. By "attack" I mean going-after, not assaulting. Rather than providing anthropomorphic representations of the products the use of real people to represent the products immediately provided a connection to the respective customers. I love those ads for their sheer yet subtle brilliance and know that they were extremely effective and resonated with customers in both camps, positively in one and negatively in the other.

    When TMobile tried to copy these Apple ads they failed miserably because their representative personas didn't connect with real customers who use the products.
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  • Reply 84 of 146
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    Originally Posted by Michael Scrip View Post



    Last quarter the top 5 smartphone vendors were:



    82m - Samsung

    51m - Apple

    16m - Huawei

    14m - Lenovo

    13m - LG



    There were 31 million units separating 1st and 2nd place... and 35 million units separating 2nd and 3rd place. Samsung seems to be untouchable by that metric.

     

     

    Samsung sold 200 millions Galaxy variants since they first launched. Over the same time frame Apple sold 430 million iPhones.

     

    It's not even close. The only reason Samsung can show such "big numbers" for "smartphones" is they include a lot of junk in that 82 million phones they sold. The GS4 only sold about 12-15 million last quarter (according to Samsung), the Note sells far less. So what makes up the other 50-60 million "smartphones" Samsung says they sold?

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  • Reply 85 of 146
    aaronjaaronj Posts: 1,595member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ai46 View Post

     



    Heh, many of us remember Iron Eyes Cody as a teenager.


     

    Why not just shoot me now? :)

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  • Reply 86 of 146
    Well the only Samsung product I ever bought was a digital camera many years ago and it really was poorly designed.

    Reading and learning as much as I have about this company I knew there were even more reasons I have not bought another product from them.
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  • Reply 87 of 146
    stef wrote: »
    Nice to see Daniel finally getting noticed by the big boys: Fortune's PED cites this article; FOSS's flack gets scared off. Sweet.

    The proof reading pays off :)
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  • Reply 88 of 146

    I've known for years that Scamsung has no morals or ethics, especially near the top of the executive food chain, but when I read the headline and then the e-mail, my jaw dropped. Whilst I agree the headline reads a tad too much into this, even mentioning SJ in the manner that was mentioned, was beyond contempt and disgraceful.

     

    Now more than ever, I have nothing but the most utter disgust for Samsung, and will make it my life's mission to ensure that not only will NONE of their products ever set foot in my home, but that everyone I know around me with Samsung gear be convinced to switch to ANY other brand, preferably one that's not from South Korea.

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  • Reply 89 of 146
    pdq2pdq2 Posts: 270member
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    Originally Posted by EricTheHalfBee View Post

     

    So what makes up the other 50-60 million "smartphones" Samsung says they sold?


     

    I would say either barely-above-feature-phones (which Samsung internally apparently calls "good-enough carrier-friendly" ie cheap, low-subsidy phones), or pure confabulation - Samsung never releases actual sales numbers.

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  • Reply 90 of 146
    aaronjaaronj Posts: 1,595member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by pdq2 View Post

     

     

    I would say either barely-above-feature-phones (which Samsung internally apparently calls "good-enough carrier-friendly" ie cheap, low-subsidy phones), or pure confabulation - Samsung never releases actual sales numbers.


     

    Exactly.

     

    Classic bullshit.

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  • Reply 91 of 146
    desuserigndesuserign Posts: 1,316member
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    Originally Posted by AaronJ View Post

     

     

    Holy crap.  Are we all that old here? :)


    Ha ha!

    At first I thought that you meant the comment was immature.

    The fact that I didn't even think about how long ago that PSA was just demonstrates how old I am!

    [Admittedly, my initial barely conscious thought on reading your comment was "I was a kid when I last saw that PSA." but it didn't register for a bit.]

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  • Reply 92 of 146
    desuserigndesuserign Posts: 1,316member
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    Originally Posted by AppleZilla View Post

     

    Scum. Foreign imports should be taxed severely.


     

    Like iPhones, you mean?

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  • Reply 93 of 146
    desuserigndesuserign Posts: 1,316member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by hembreeder View Post

     

    In business, it doesn't have to be ethical or legal, as long as the legal consequences don't hurt profits much. And as long as consumers continue to buy the product.


     

    Why "in business?"

    Ethics don't matter in anything . . . if they don't matter to you.

    One can choose to be unethical in any situation—with friends, wife, family. It's all about the consequences and how you view them.

    Do you really believe one can be a moral person while ignoring morals in the work place?

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  • Reply 94 of 146
    sirlance99sirlance99 Posts: 1,304member
    aaronj wrote: »
    Gotcha.  Interesting.  As a person who knows about as much about code as he knows about cricket, this is interesting info. :)

    Thanks.

    I can find people who will say the same about Android
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  • Reply 95 of 146
    desuserigndesuserign Posts: 1,316member
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    Originally Posted by hembreeder View Post



    Samsung has a moral obligation to its investors to succeed in making profits. Until it can be as creative and as exceptional as Apple at finding new and better ways to do things, their only course is to copy. How can you blame them for that. They know this copying will land tham in court, because Apple must defend its intellectual property or lose their right to exercise their patents.



    But Samsung, meanwhile, has made exceptional profits for its investors. And the cost of defending its use of Apple's intellectual property will be minimal compared to its profits. This will continue to be the case and Samsung will continue to copy, as will Google, until they can assemble teams as intense, smart, far-sighted and gifted as Apple's. And both companies will continue to be rewarded by investors for wisely using Apple's ideas to make better phones.



    This is the moral business course of action. And it will continue until the punishment exceeds the benefit.

     

    You confused "has a moral obligation to" with "is incentivized by."

    "Morals" and "motives" are often confused  by individuals in the absence of a moral compass, and by organizations in the absence of moral leadership.

    BTW, it's a myth that corporations have a fiduciary responsibility to act illegally (or even legally) to maximize shareholder profit.

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  • Reply 96 of 146
    coolfactorcoolfactor Posts: 2,411member
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    Originally Posted by WS11 View Post

     

    Why am I not surprised, business as usual at Samsung.  Mind you, I'm sure many of these billion dollar companies would look to seize an opportunity when they had the chance.  For better or for worse even Apple was utilizing Steve Jobs' death to sell more products and raise brand awareness. 


     

    Ah... give an example of how Apple was utilizing that event to build brand awareness? I think you are confusing the reality with your own interpretation of it. There's a difference. Apple paid tribute to Steve. That's it. They even shut down all of their stores around the world for so all employees could participate in his celebration of life. How is closing stores, thereby stopping all sales, leveraging the opportunity?

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  • Reply 97 of 146
    coolfactorcoolfactor Posts: 2,411member
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    Originally Posted by Michael Scrip View Post



    Samsung ended up as the #1 smartphone vendor by volume for 2011... and they've stayed in that position ever since. Apple was #2 at the time and have stayed in that position as well.



    I wonder if Samsung still thinks Apple is such a threat? Or any company for that matter? Or has Samsung gotten comfortable being the world's largest smartphone vendor?



    Last quarter the top 5 smartphone vendors were:



    82m - Samsung

    51m - Apple

    16m - Huawei

    14m - Lenovo

    13m - LG



    There were 31 million units separating 1st and 2nd place... and 35 million units separating 2nd and 3rd place. Samsung seems to be untouchable by that metric.

     

    Volume and profit are two very different things. Apple is the king of profit. Clearly profits is the ultimate goal of a company, no? Apple will continue to be a threat as long as they are making more per handset than Samsung.

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  • Reply 98 of 146
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    Originally Posted by GeorgeiP5 View Post



    I can't believe how sick samsung actually is. False advertising, adverts that show people happy when really there like "what crap apps, where's this where that?"

     

    yea okay buddy...only happy people are apple people...only happy people are people who happy with what make you happy.

     

    right?

     

    I can understand the dislike of Samsung (welcome to the club) but some of you are borderline psychotic in your dismissal of other human beings and their preferences.

     

    No wonder the second there is an article that highlights Tim Cook's preferences and his feelings towards discrimination all of the bigots pop up out of every corner. I've seen so many Korean jokes and dehumanization that it is upsetting. I am from an area with a large population of Koreans and some of them have become great friends of mine and to see so many of you dismiss Koh and others as humans because of a massive multinational conglomerate is sickening.

     

    You didn't do that...but your attitude is within a similar microcosm.

     

    /rant

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  • Reply 99 of 146
    aaronjaaronj Posts: 1,595member
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    Originally Posted by DESuserIGN View Post

     

    Ha ha!

    At first I thought that you meant the comment was immature.

    The fact that I didn't even think about how long ago that PSA was just demonstrates how old I am!

    [Admittedly, my initial barely conscious thought on reading your comment was "I was a kid when I last saw that PSA." but it didn't register for a bit.]


     

    HA!  It really has been a while. :)

     

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    Originally Posted by SirLance99 View Post





    I can find people who will say the same about Android

     

    I;m sure.  Heh.

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  • Reply 100 of 146
    Jesus: Get behind me, Satan!

    Samsung: Come within me, Satan!
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