I am just happy to say I have no Samsung products in my home, the best way to deal with companies like this is with no access to your pocket book. Can the majority of people say the same thing.
Ops, stand corrected, i have product which Samsung parts in them I guess I need to stop buying those products as well.
1) If this was Apple it would be the lead story on CNN.com and other websites.
2) It's disturbing to me how some here are making fun or making this into a joke or inserting bigotry, these are people's lives - it's not a comedy skit.
Thank you mesomorphicman for stating the obvious (that others here are joking about) ...that we are discussing in a forum the lives of people and families here. Yes if Apple had been caught poisoning the health of workers directly under their employment, Tim Cook would be offering apologizes directly to each family. In South Korean like so many newly industrialized countries, people are chattel owned by their employers. When one dies in an accident, another steps up to replace them. As the need to feed one's family becomes more dire, the risks are accepted at personal and corporate levels. The corporate ethics and accountability must be pushed onto these companies and shaming them publicly in every country where their products/services are sold may be the only way to do this. If they claim pride is so important to them, prove it. Prove it with the health and well being of the employees that are making them filthy rich.
begin sarcasm - But wait... I thought only Apple's supply chain abused it's workers. I guess Scamsung really does copy Apple in all things. - end sarcasm.
This kind of thing needs to stop. While I am happy that Scamsung is starting to be called on it's history of worker safety abuse, this kind of thing is too prevalent in the industry as a whole and it needs to be addressed.
Sarcasm aside: Unfortunately, this is a part of Apple's supply chain.
Sarcasm back to the fore: Samsung will probably announce that all cancer-stricken plant workers were working on chips sold to Apple.
"According to the AP, Samsung chairman Lee Kun-hee -- whose father founded the conglomerate in 1938 -- wants to resolve the cancer dispute before handing the company's reins to his son."
Yes, the outgoing patriarch will take all the blame on his way out the door to live out his years in quiet slender in order to clear the slate for his son, who will repeat the whole process, delaying and denying his own era's wrongdoings until he too takes the blame on his way into retirement. This is how the Chaebol works.
True, and a good observation. The chaebol system is dynastic and familial in nature, which makes sense in Eastern culture, which strongly values loyalty and group harmony over individual talent.
The scandal here is not really that it happened, the scandal is how they dealt with it: blaming victims, threatening the press etc. This is in pretty stark contrast to how Apple is dealing with such issues. Any allegations that these (and other) companies all act the same are simply wrong. Samsung is a shameful company. Period.
Still, this is not a racial, Asian or political system issue. Worker's rights and occupational health standards in the West did not magically appear out of goodwill, and most Western governments have been involved in covering up health hazards. E.g. in the US, the UK and Western Europe there are several nuclear power plants with far above average leukaemia rates in their vicinity, reports and studies on this exist since more than 30 years. Not a single government has done anything about it, except for funding studies paid to prove the opposite.
I am amazed that this story ever was published. I doubt the major news agencies will run this story and therefore jeopardize their ad revenues from Samsung.
Do you even care about the racist overtones of your comment? That "humor" hasn't been funny since 1950.
I'm not seeing the racism in that comment. I read sowwy as an insincere, childlike usage of the word sorry. Not as the lallation of the letters "L" and "R". If his goal was to insult a native Asian speaker wouldn't he have spelled is solly?
Ops, stand corrected, i have product which Samsung parts in them I guess I need to stop buying those products as well.
It is not always easy to know what illegal or unethical aspects there are in the goods you are buying if they were produced in the developing world. For example, most people don't realize that the coffee and tea they are drinking was probably produced using child labor and banned chemicals. They don't print that stuff on the label.
Personally, I believe there should be required supply chain audits done before any goods can be imported, we shouldn't be waiting until some horrible situation is discovered before investigating. If it is not required, the manufacturers will cut corners as much as possible to make a buck and that is where the problem starts. You can't trust people to just do the right thing, especially if it costs them money.
I'm not seeing the racism in that comment. I read sowwy as an insincere, childlike usage of the word sorry. Not as the lallation of the letters "L" and "R". If his goal was to insult a native Asian speaker wouldn't he have spelled is solly?
Asians pronounce "R" just fine. It is the "L" sound they have trouble with.
Asians pronounce "R" just fine. It is the "L" sound they have trouble with.
It's my understanding that there is no issues with speaking either "L" or "R" but rather, I believe, how they perceive the pronunciations and pronounce the alveolar consonants which stems the common roots of these separate proto-langauge families.
Technically nothing is being "switched" just being said differently. It's more like my inability to roll my "R's" in Spanish. There is no physical reason why I can't and if I had learned Spanish at a younger age — not necessarily my first language — I would have been able to adopt this usage without effort. Whatever happens in the Wernicke's or Broca's areas of the brain (or elsewhere) that seems to have cut off the ability to absorb, hear and recite nuances in a language is still widely unknown and therefore up to much debate.
It's my understanding that there is no issues with speaking either "L" or "R" but rather, I believe, how they perceive the pronunciations and pronounce the alveolar consonants which stems the common roots of these separate proto-langauge families.
Technically nothing is being "switched" just being said differently. It's more like my inability to roll my "R's" in Spanish. There is no physical reason why I can't and if I had learned Spanish at a younger age — not necessarily my first language — I would have been able to adopt this usage without effort. Whatever happens in the Wernicke's or Broca's areas of the brain (or elsewhere) that seems to have cut off the ability to absorb, hear and recite nuances in a language is still widely unknown and therefore up to much debate.
That is way too technical for me. I'm only aware of my numerous Japanese and Chinese associates who often switch out an "l" with an "r" when enunciating English words. A typical example is the English word "Bleach" would be spoken as "Breach".
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I am just happy to say I have no Samsung products in my home, the best way to deal with companies like this is with no access to your pocket book. Can the majority of people say the same thing.
Ops, stand corrected, i have product which Samsung parts in them I guess I need to stop buying those products as well.
1) If this was Apple it would be the lead story on CNN.com and other websites.
2) It's disturbing to me how some here are making fun or making this into a joke or inserting bigotry, these are people's lives - it's not a comedy skit.
Thank you mesomorphicman for stating the obvious (that others here are joking about) ...that we are discussing in a forum the lives of people and families here. Yes if Apple had been caught poisoning the health of workers directly under their employment, Tim Cook would be offering apologizes directly to each family. In South Korean like so many newly industrialized countries, people are chattel owned by their employers. When one dies in an accident, another steps up to replace them. As the need to feed one's family becomes more dire, the risks are accepted at personal and corporate levels. The corporate ethics and accountability must be pushed onto these companies and shaming them publicly in every country where their products/services are sold may be the only way to do this. If they claim pride is so important to them, prove it. Prove it with the health and well being of the employees that are making them filthy rich.
So he's not genuinely sorry; he just wants to sweep the mess away before his kid takes over.
What a class act.
begin sarcasm - But wait... I thought only Apple's supply chain abused it's workers. I guess Scamsung really does copy Apple in all things. - end sarcasm.
This kind of thing needs to stop. While I am happy that Scamsung is starting to be called on it's history of worker safety abuse, this kind of thing is too prevalent in the industry as a whole and it needs to be addressed.
Sarcasm aside: Unfortunately, this is a part of Apple's supply chain.Sarcasm back to the fore: Samsung will probably announce that all cancer-stricken plant workers were working on chips sold to Apple.
Samsung press release: Oops! Sowwy!
Do you even care about the racist overtones of your comment? That "humor" hasn't been funny since 1950.
True, and a good observation. The chaebol system is dynastic and familial in nature, which makes sense in Eastern culture, which strongly values loyalty and group harmony over individual talent.
The scandal here is not really that it happened, the scandal is how they dealt with it: blaming victims, threatening the press etc. This is in pretty stark contrast to how Apple is dealing with such issues. Any allegations that these (and other) companies all act the same are simply wrong. Samsung is a shameful company. Period.
Still, this is not a racial, Asian or political system issue. Worker's rights and occupational health standards in the West did not magically appear out of goodwill, and most Western governments have been involved in covering up health hazards. E.g. in the US, the UK and Western Europe there are several nuclear power plants with far above average leukaemia rates in their vicinity, reports and studies on this exist since more than 30 years. Not a single government has done anything about it, except for funding studies paid to prove the opposite.
I'm not sure about the ... 'quiet slender' though ...
Splender. I typed splender! Stupid spell checher. Lol!
What an apology!
Very hypocritical!
So, they aren't arresting picketers anymore?
I'm not seeing the racism in that comment. I read sowwy as an insincere, childlike usage of the word sorry. Not as the lallation of the letters "L" and "R". If his goal was to insult a native Asian speaker wouldn't he have spelled is solly?
Ops, stand corrected, i have product which Samsung parts in them I guess I need to stop buying those products as well.
It is not always easy to know what illegal or unethical aspects there are in the goods you are buying if they were produced in the developing world. For example, most people don't realize that the coffee and tea they are drinking was probably produced using child labor and banned chemicals. They don't print that stuff on the label.
Personally, I believe there should be required supply chain audits done before any goods can be imported, we shouldn't be waiting until some horrible situation is discovered before investigating. If it is not required, the manufacturers will cut corners as much as possible to make a buck and that is where the problem starts. You can't trust people to just do the right thing, especially if it costs them money.
Asians pronounce "R" just fine. It is the "L" sound they have trouble with.
The one area where Samsung should have copied Apple, worker safety, they chose not too.
It's my understanding that there is no issues with speaking either "L" or "R" but rather, I believe, how they perceive the pronunciations and pronounce the alveolar consonants which stems the common roots of these separate proto-langauge families.
Technically nothing is being "switched" just being said differently. It's more like my inability to roll my "R's" in Spanish. There is no physical reason why I can't and if I had learned Spanish at a younger age — not necessarily my first language — I would have been able to adopt this usage without effort. Whatever happens in the Wernicke's or Broca's areas of the brain (or elsewhere) that seems to have cut off the ability to absorb, hear and recite nuances in a language is still widely unknown and therefore up to much debate.
It's my understanding that there is no issues with speaking either "L" or "R" but rather, I believe, how they perceive the pronunciations and pronounce the alveolar consonants which stems the common roots of these separate proto-langauge families.
Technically nothing is being "switched" just being said differently. It's more like my inability to roll my "R's" in Spanish. There is no physical reason why I can't and if I had learned Spanish at a younger age — not necessarily my first language — I would have been able to adopt this usage without effort. Whatever happens in the Wernicke's or Broca's areas of the brain (or elsewhere) that seems to have cut off the ability to absorb, hear and recite nuances in a language is still widely unknown and therefore up to much debate.
That is way too technical for me. I'm only aware of my numerous Japanese and Chinese associates who often switch out an "l" with an "r" when enunciating English words. A typical example is the English word "Bleach" would be spoken as "Breach".
I think you mean Foxconn. Although One Infinite Loop is not known as a death trap either.