Please explain how 44.5 is equal to or greater than 53.1.
The story and pie chart gave no margins of error, so we are left without that important information, of course. If the error was, say, 10 percentage points, then yes, I would agree, 44.5 and 53.1 are not significantly different. But without those statistics, we have to assume that the error is equal to or less than the precision of the numbers being reported, which includes three significant digits.
What is dead is the number of Samsung premium phones ending up in the hands of paying customers..
Carry on with the Samsung marketing as outlined in an email from a Samsung executive presented as evidence in the recent trial, and I quote:-
"- PR attack plan by pointing out iPhone 5's weakness (small 4 inch LCD size)"
Obviously the "attack plan" is still in full swing.
So now I am part of the Samsung PR assault plan? I use an iPhone 5s. Apparently pointing out a real world example of a person that plans to switch to an iPhone as soon as a larger one is released somehow angered you. My doctor is not fictional. The 4" iPhone might have been the best selling smart phone of all time but that was because of iOS and the quality of the hardware not because people thought 4" was just the right size. I bought my 5s in spite of the 4" screen not because of it. The 4.7" iPhone will very shortly become the best selling iPhone of all time and then your argument will be destroyed.
And you know why Apple is about to make a bigger phone? Because people want it.
Phones larger than 4” make up 20% of shipped phones. Combine that with phones actually in use and you get roughly 10%. No, people don’t want it. Not more than what they have, at least.
How pathetic that you have to resort to…
Originally Posted by dasanman69
And you know this how?
Because he’s not blind? Six years of teardowns show they’re incapable of doing it.
Phones larger than 4” make up 20% of shipped phones. Combine that with phones actually in use and you get roughly 10%. No, people don’t want it. Not more than what they have, at least.
I think you might be looking at old data TS. As recently as yesterday there was a report saying about a third of all smartphones shipped in the first quarter have 5" or larger displays.
This is still a market segment led by Samsung, but the trend is unmistakably toward larger-screen handsets at the high end of the market. It held a 44% share of devices with displays of 5" and above, and 53% if the view is narrowed to look at 5.5"-plus displays,’ said Canalys Analyst Jessica Kwee. ‘But many other vendors, such as Lenovo, Huawei, LG and Sony, have also achieved significant volumes in this space with products at the top end of their portfolios. Consumers now expect high-end devices to have large displays, and Apple’s absence in this market will clearly not last long. It is notable that 5" and above displays featured on almost half (47%) of smart phones with an unlocked retail price of US$500 or more. Of the remaining 53% of high-end smart phones, 87% were iPhones. Apple plainly needs a larger-screen smart phone to remain competitive, and it will look to address this in the coming months.’
Even as Apple is clearly on pace to release a larger iPhone the naysayers still try and pretend that it should not or will not happen. I wonder what they will say when the 4.7" iPhone absolutely demolished sales records of past iPhones. They will likely do what they always do, stay quiet or pretend they were always for it. We might be in for an amnesia epidemic in a few months.
As recently as yesterday there was a report saying about a third of all smartphones shipped in the first quarter have 5" or larger displays.
Hey, thanks for that. We’re still on the 80-20 use case model, though, so take that as you will.
Originally Posted by gwmac
Apple plainly needs a larger-screen smart phone to remain competitive…
Is that you saying it or the analyst saying it? I guess I don’t care; you’re wrong either way. " src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />
Even as Apple is clearly on pace to release a larger iPhone the naysayers still try and pretend that it should not or will not happen. I wonder what they will say when the 4.7" iPhone absolutely demolished sales records of past iPhones. They will likely do what they always do, stay quiet or pretend they were always for it.
You realize I’m for a 4.7” iPhone, right? I’m just not for misrepresenting the marketshare of such devices.
That can't be right. So many people here have spoken the truth that nothing of that size can sell. It can't sell because Apple isn't in that market and Apple is only in markets that sell. How could I have been misguided for so long?!
I would imagine that if it were possible to produce stats for the amount of time spent in apps, Apple would beat Android by the same margin or more that it does with web surfing.
You realize I’m for a 4.7” iPhone, right? I’m just not for misrepresenting the marketshare of such devices.
Wow the backsliding began a lot sooner than I thought. How many times have you said it was unusable, and that it would not sell, and that no one wanted a larger iPhone, or so many other complaints. So now you are suddenly for it? " src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />
Wow the backsliding began a lot sooner than I thought. How many times have you said it was unusable, and that it would not sell, and that no one wanted a larger iPhone, or so many other complaints. So now you are suddenly for it? " src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />
It’s such a shame you’re so gotcha that you think this is acceptable.
It wouldn't be difficult at all for Samsung to open up a iPhone and reverse engineer how Apple is able to.
They wouldn't even need to do that. It is true that one huge impetus for large displays was the 1st gen of LTE radios that were big and power hungry. But the current and future generations are a lot smaller and more power efficient. Samsung and others accidentally stumbled on to the fact that consumers liked larger displays because they had to make them that big to accommodate LTE radios. Apple waited until the iPhone 5 to release an LTE phone. There are already plenty of Android phones with LTE around 4".
They wouldn't even need to do that. It is true that one huge impetus for large displays was the 1st gen of LTE radios that were big and power hungry. But the current and future generations are a lot smaller and more power efficient. Samsung and others accidentally stumbled on to the fact that consumers liked larger displays because they had to make them that big to accommodate LTE radios. Apple waited until the iPhone 5 to release an LTE phone. There are already plenty of Android phones with LTE around 4".
Another misconception. The first phone to be made over 4" was the HTC HD2 in 2009 and it was a Windows phone. LTE phones weren't made until 2011.
How does that disprove anything. You can always find exceptions and outliers to a rule but generally speaking companies went larger to accommodate the large and power hungry LTE chips. They needed the extra space for the radio and a larger battery. Of course they could have made larger phones before that if they wanted to and no one said otherwise.
It wouldn't be difficult at all for Samsung to open up a iPhone and reverse engineer how Apple is able to.
Obviously it would, given that they can’t figure out how to do it. I don’t get how that’s confusing. The initial power inefficient LTE chips are the reason for giant phones.
Obviously it would, given that they can’t figure out how to do it. I don’t get how that’s confusing. The initial power inefficient LTE chips are the reason for giant phones.
Phones were already going bigger a year and a half before LTE.
How does that disprove anything. You can always find exceptions and outliers to a rule but generally speaking companies went larger to accommodate the large and power hungry LTE chips. They needed the extra space for the radio and a larger battery. Of course they could have made larger phones before that if they wanted to and no one said otherwise.
It's undeniable proof that backs up my argument whereas you offer none except a guess.
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Android's 44.5 is not less! Seriously!
Please explain how 44.5 is equal to or greater than 53.1.
The story and pie chart gave no margins of error, so we are left without that important information, of course. If the error was, say, 10 percentage points, then yes, I would agree, 44.5 and 53.1 are not significantly different. But without those statistics, we have to assume that the error is equal to or less than the precision of the numbers being reported, which includes three significant digits.
4" is the size of the biggest selling smartphone of all time.
It's not the size of the screen it's the size of the content on the screen, your fictitious "doctor friend" doesn't have a clue.
Go and play with the other children in the samsung factory
What is dead is the number of Samsung premium phones ending up in the hands of paying customers..
Carry on with the Samsung marketing as outlined in an email from a Samsung executive presented as evidence in the recent trial, and I quote:-
"- PR attack plan by pointing out iPhone 5's weakness (small 4 inch LCD size)"
Obviously the "attack plan" is still in full swing.
So now I am part of the Samsung PR assault plan? I use an iPhone 5s. Apparently pointing out a real world example of a person that plans to switch to an iPhone as soon as a larger one is released somehow angered you. My doctor is not fictional. The 4" iPhone might have been the best selling smart phone of all time but that was because of iOS and the quality of the hardware not because people thought 4" was just the right size. I bought my 5s in spite of the 4" screen not because of it. The 4.7" iPhone will very shortly become the best selling iPhone of all time and then your argument will be destroyed.
Phones larger than 4” make up 20% of shipped phones. Combine that with phones actually in use and you get roughly 10%. No, people don’t want it. Not more than what they have, at least.
Because he’s not blind? Six years of teardowns show they’re incapable of doing it.
I think you might be looking at old data TS. As recently as yesterday there was a report saying about a third of all smartphones shipped in the first quarter have 5" or larger displays. :wow:
http://www.canalys.com/newsroom/third-smart-phones-shipped-q1-had-5-plus-displays
I think you might be looking at old data TS. As recently as yesterday there was a report saying about a third of all smartphones shipped in the first quarter have 5" or larger displays.
http://www.canalys.com/newsroom/third-smart-phones-shipped-q1-had-5-plus-displays
Exactly. From your link above:
This is still a market segment led by Samsung, but the trend is unmistakably toward larger-screen handsets at the high end of the market. It held a 44% share of devices with displays of 5" and above, and 53% if the view is narrowed to look at 5.5"-plus displays,’ said Canalys Analyst Jessica Kwee. ‘But many other vendors, such as Lenovo, Huawei, LG and Sony, have also achieved significant volumes in this space with products at the top end of their portfolios. Consumers now expect high-end devices to have large displays, and Apple’s absence in this market will clearly not last long. It is notable that 5" and above displays featured on almost half (47%) of smart phones with an unlocked retail price of US$500 or more. Of the remaining 53% of high-end smart phones, 87% were iPhones. Apple plainly needs a larger-screen smart phone to remain competitive, and it will look to address this in the coming months.’
Even as Apple is clearly on pace to release a larger iPhone the naysayers still try and pretend that it should not or will not happen. I wonder what they will say when the 4.7" iPhone absolutely demolished sales records of past iPhones. They will likely do what they always do, stay quiet or pretend they were always for it. We might be in for an amnesia epidemic in a few months.
Hey, thanks for that. We’re still on the 80-20 use case model, though, so take that as you will.
Apple plainly needs a larger-screen smart phone to remain competitive…
Is that you saying it or the analyst saying it? I guess I don’t care; you’re wrong either way.
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You realize I’m for a 4.7” iPhone, right? I’m just not for misrepresenting the marketshare of such devices.
And yet you do. Constantly.
That can't be right. So many people here have spoken the truth that nothing of that size can sell. It can't sell because Apple isn't in that market and Apple is only in markets that sell. How could I have been misguided for so long?!
I would imagine that if it were possible to produce stats for the amount of time spent in apps, Apple would beat Android by the same margin or more that it does with web surfing.
Actually, they most likely spend less time in apps because iPhone apps crash more than Android apps.
You realize I’m for a 4.7” iPhone, right? I’m just not for misrepresenting the marketshare of such devices.
Wow the backsliding began a lot sooner than I thought. How many times have you said it was unusable, and that it would not sell, and that no one wanted a larger iPhone, or so many other complaints. So now you are suddenly for it?
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Uh, no. Sorry. Try again.
It isn’t right. Look at use share.
It’s such a shame you’re so gotcha that you think this is acceptable.
It wouldn't be difficult at all for Samsung to open up a iPhone and reverse engineer how Apple is able to.
It wouldn't be difficult at all for Samsung to open up a iPhone and reverse engineer how Apple is able to.
They wouldn't even need to do that. It is true that one huge impetus for large displays was the 1st gen of LTE radios that were big and power hungry. But the current and future generations are a lot smaller and more power efficient. Samsung and others accidentally stumbled on to the fact that consumers liked larger displays because they had to make them that big to accommodate LTE radios. Apple waited until the iPhone 5 to release an LTE phone. There are already plenty of Android phones with LTE around 4".
http://cell-phones.toptenreviews.com/smartphones/htc/htc-droid-incredible-details.html
And here is a link with many phones with LTE around 4" and Samsung already has a few at 4" it appears.
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/Display/4+to+4.5+inch/Technology/4G
There are even plenty of LTE phones smaller than 4"
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/Display/Small+display/Technology/4G
Another misconception. The first phone to be made over 4" was the HTC HD2 in 2009 and it was a Windows phone. LTE phones weren't made until 2011.
Another misconception. The first phone to be made over 4" was the HTC HD2 in 2009 and it was a Windows phone. LTE phones weren't made until 2011.
How does that disprove anything. You can always find exceptions and outliers to a rule but generally speaking companies went larger to accommodate the large and power hungry LTE chips. They needed the extra space for the radio and a larger battery. Of course they could have made larger phones before that if they wanted to and no one said otherwise.
Obviously it would, given that they can’t figure out how to do it. I don’t get how that’s confusing. The initial power inefficient LTE chips are the reason for giant phones.
Phones were already going bigger a year and a half before LTE.
Yes, because Apple made a 3.5” screen and everyone said it was too big.
It's undeniable proof that backs up my argument whereas you offer none except a guess.
That was in 2007, in 2009 the HTC HD2 was 4.3", and LTE phones didn't come out until 2011.