Do you use Apple products? Well, some of the features in Apple products were a direct result of me sending Jobs some emails suggesting certain features be put into it, but I'm not going to tell you which ones, because I'm not seeing this as who can piss longer.
I can formulate my own idea of who to look up to and who not to. Dr. Dre and Iovine are not who I would look up to as a role model in the music industry. There are plenty of others that deserve that more than these two. Same thing with successful business people, there are others that are far more honest in how they made their impact on society.
I hate watching kids with their underwear hanging out, where did they get that from? The rap/hiphop culture. Yeah, great, that shows some real intelligence doesn't it? they should change the laws to make that something called indecent exposure. Yeah, like that's going to be an approved dress code at Apple. Yeah right. Rappers and hip hoppers need to grow up, get a solid education and if they want to create music, then pick up a freaking instrument and learn how to play it and maybe create something worth buying. Or do something else that's positive for society instead of sounding and looking like some rejects because you don't want to get a decent education that people like me, that pays taxes pays for.
Yes. Big time. I personally have an iMac, a Mac Mini, 2 iPads, an iPhones and 5 AppleTVs. (not to mention retired hardware and what I purchase for others.)
I think it's OK not to lookup to someone and to have your own standards of morality etc...
I bet there are a lot of things that Steve Jobs did and said that many people would not lookup to.
But he was still a great CEO and visionary when you put aside some other things that he did.
The man is well known as Apple's creator and savior ...and deservingly so. (Not to mention Iovine's and Dr Dre's friend)
Surely you don't think Tim Cook would hire an executive to just rap all day in an office do you? " src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" /> Let alone degrade Apple in anyway...
Unless of course people are willing to pay Apple big bucks to come watch him rap all day... " src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" /> Next quarters earnings would be great. Go Apple!
Wow! Angela Ahrendts could put a rap artist in every Apple store. Put 2 in the NY and LA stores and put 2 Gangnam Style in asian stores. " src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />
You didn't have a case in the first place. I think it would be hilarious is Apple didn't buy Beats, went to Monster to help them design and mfg a line of headphones (spending only a few million) and then replacing all of the Beats headphones in all of the Apple Stores, then marketing them and then watching Beats headphone sales drop like a rock and Apple headphones outsell Beats headphones and Dr. Dre ends up broke. And while that's happening, Apple starts their own subscription service, captures the majority of the market while Beats Music continually loses money until the place is shut down.
That would be great if Cook & Co. woke up and smelled the coffee on this one.
Art is the result from a society, it's rarely ever forming societies. People did not only start shooting Indians after seeing a Western, there were mass murderers before film was even invented, there was child abuse before the first picture was taken and women have been exploited and suppressed since the beginning of time. Rap / HipHop is commentary, the origins of it (think Gil Scott-Heron or Linton Kwesi Johnson) earned world-wide recognition and respect. Are there lousy rappers and posers etc.? Sure, just as there are droves of lousy Country musicians, lousy pop singers and even extremely mediocre classical musicians. But just because I hate peanut butter, you can still eat it.
Freedom of expression is one of the highest values somewhat free societies have achieved. This includes the possibility of stuff you do not like, or do not want to hear. It does not make your definition of music, or your definition of what is vulgar relevant for anybody. Without vulgar guys like Elvis or Little Richard we would maybe still have our wives and husbands chosen by our parents, ask religious nuts for what is right and what is wrong, and accept that any demands for happiness and freedom can wait for the afterlife. Music and other arts have been constantly evolving since we left the caves; assuming this will just stop and remain the same till the end of time won't work. And mostly that's good.
B and N words are just words, code. They can mean anything depending on the actual context, they are only vulgar because of what you associate with them. Getting hung up on semantics does not help. The Spanish Inquisition, the North American witch hunters, the slave owners, the Khmer Rouge, the Nazis etc ad inf used perfectly appropriate language. Most people would not say that they were positive for society. The only truly vulgar words are those chosen to hide the truth and manipulate.
I don't buy to music that has rapping in it. When I hear it, I automatically cringe and turn on something else. I never said it's rarely forming societies. But in this case, the Rap/Hip Hop mentality is creating a sub culture within our society, they make up their own language and the ignore rules as much as possible, even when it just comes to common decency.
The problem with the music industry is that SOME people have been trying to legitimize rap by getting what are SUPPOSED to be legitimate musicians/artists to embrace it because the record labels want to make MONEY from it. But that doesn't necessarily make it positive for society nor something to celebrate.
I don't listen Gil-Scott Heron for the most part, I've heard a couple of songs he had back in the 70's, but to me it wasn't that special that I wanted to listen to it. It was more politically fueled nonsense over some loops or musicians playing, but a lot of his music was, as they say, BS. He might have had a hit, but most of his stuff didn't sell well. Linton Kwesi Johnson? Never heard of him, so I can't comment on him. I just think the whole sub culture is just nonsense and is just a waste of time and money even discussing. There's no point. I think if Gil Scott Heron spent more time playing instead of his political commentary, he would have put out some decent content. He at least knows how to play music and sing, but unfortunately he got more fame with his rapping. I guess people want to buy into more controversial aspects of someone. That's the problem with someone these artists. They get some fame and money and they get all political like they people need to listen to them. I don't care about the rap/hip hop culture, to me it's the biggest waste of time.
These awards that get handed out are many times, IMO, BS awards. Some are just what other peers THINK deserves an award. That's what a lot of the music awards are, just other people that in the same industry that actually vote. There are lots of well respected musicians that don't even vote for the Grammy's. Why? They aren't into that aspect of the music scene, even though they've received them, they don't try to use that as a marketing tool. They actually downplay the fact that they gotten awards or Gold Albums, etc. They are more interested in promoting the people that influenced THEIR lives rather than this self promotion, look how many awards I have.
Oh the N word is just code? Hmmmm. Then how come when a financially wealthy individual like a Donald Sterling (whom didn't even say the N word) is seen as a racist, yet everyone in the rap/hip hop community (white or black) uses it and no one says anything? It's just an excuse to promote illiteracy and nothing else. The thing is THEY LIKE THE ATTENTION. They know that controversy sells, Madonna knows that, that's her entire mantra. Do something that's controversial, even though it's probably a bunch of BS, get famous and sell to the ignorant what you want to sell. Oldest trick in the book for selling crap to the masses. But it's old now, it's lost it's shock value and it's now just STUPID and overhyped.
It just sounds like you are validating the mediocre society we are all experiencing and allowing.Quit trying to justify it and do something to remove literacy and ignorance in music. I don't buy it. I was actually was very disappointed that one of my favorite guitar players, Carlos Santana, started using rap and sequenced BS, when he NEVER used to lower himself to that cheap production crap. His best albums were back in the 70's, when HE and his music was REAL, then he started going down hill and his latest albums are junk. Pure junk. And I like his playing, but the rapping is just destroys the music and it's all becoming chop shop garbage which is why I don't listen to or buy it. It's a shame too, I always thought he has a certain degree of integrity. I guess not. Thank God not all of my favorite musicians sold out and went ultra commercial. A lot of them moved to Europe because they didn't like what was happening to the US music scene. A shame too. But at least they still pump music on their own labels and I can buy it without having to go through the major record labels.
The most over used saying. "Break the rules". That only works to a certain point and in certain circumstances. Plus, it's just a saying. It doesn't mean violate every rule that society has in place to create a peaceful society. Laws are in place to prevent anarchy. I think this whole rapper BS is just an excuse to not get a decent education and learn how to play a musical instrument and just focus on creating some good music to enjoy and not getting into all of this political nonsense. The second these idiots start doing that, it makes the song less enjoyable. I listen to music to escape from the BS, The last thing I want to hear about is half assed "artist" try to promote their own agenda in music because they can't think of anything else. The second someone starts getting all political in music, that's when it's just not enjoyable and that's when they need to hang it up and do something else.
Yes. Big time. I personally have an iMac, a Mac Mini, 2 iPads, an iPhones and 5 AppleTVs. (not to mention retired hardware and what I purchase for others.)
I think it's OK not to lookup to someone and to have your own standards of morality etc...
I bet there are a lot of things that Steve Jobs did and said that many people would not lookup to.
But he was still a great CEO and visionary when you put aside some other things that he did.
The man is well known as Apple's creator and savior ...and deservingly so. (Not to mention Iovine's and Dr Dre's friend)
Surely you don't think Tim Cook would hire an executive to just rap all day in an office do you? " src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" /> Let alone degrade Apple in anyway...
Unless of course people are willing to pay Apple big bucks to come watch him rap all day... " src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" /> Next quarters earnings would be great. Go Apple!
Kids, automatically, take on role models. Some are good and some aren't. I think anyone that's old enough to have gone through high school can relate to this. It's just who society, the entertainment industry, etc. promotes.
What happens is that kids latch on to people that are famous. Kids know who all of the famous celebrities are in the music, sports, and TV/Movie industries because they are promoted all of the time through the marketing of their products and they themselves are a product. Jobs understood that he had to take on this iconic role, even when he didn't always like it, sometimes I know he hated being in that position while other times he loved the attention. yeah, he wasn't perfect, but he was able to save the company he started after he left on bad terms and he and his team got the company in a huge successful position and I would hate Cook ruining it by buying Beats, I see no reason for them to buy the company at this point. Obviously, Dr. Dre couldn't keep his mouth shut and I'm sure if Jobs was still around and this happened, Jobs would have blown a head gasket over that video. To me, I think Cook is afraid to even talk to the media about it because he doesn't want to have to answer the questions regarding that video because he probably doesn't know how to address it. I think he's probably being told to keep quiet and hopefully let it blow over, but it's not going to. Cook doesn't go out and buy rap music and then secretly pull his pants down, wear a hat backwards and start with the Ebonics speak in private. Cook is VERY conservative and when he tries to be hip and cool, it's VERY obvious it's not his normal comfort zone.
I don't promote the use of vulgar language in music, I don't promote the listening of buying 'music" that's created by people that can't play a musical instrument, nor do I promote people to call woman the B word or people the N word. What he does is NOT positive for society. Just like the Grateful Dead promoting the use of LSD and other major drugs was positive.
Now we're getting somewhere. I'm pretty sure you meant to say "not positive" in that last sentence. But I disagree with you. The Dead weren't promoting acid and that culture, but they were celebrating it, and so were we. It was about liberation from the straight-jacketed white, narrow, left-brained mainstream culture that had locked up and destroyed the best minds of our generation, as Ginsberg put it.
You missed out, but Steve Jobs didn't. Lucky for you a great deal of the vision behind Apple and certain other companies in Silicon Valley were benignly formed in that acid-enlightened counterculture. See What the Dormouse Said by John Markoff.
I'm 72 and white and now inclined like you to legit cultural pursuits, but I can see very clearly that what we've got with hip-hop culture is an exact parallel to the "revolution" of the 60s and early 70s. Of course Apple should embrace the tools of this wave of change, just like they did in the late 70s and 80s. Ain't no different, except it's even potentially bigger and more inclusive this time around. Best to watch cheerfully from the sidelines, lest you become Bob Dylan's Mr.Jones.
Now we're getting somewhere. I'm pretty sure you meant to say "not positive" in that last sentence. But I disagree with you. The Dead weren't promoting acid and that culture, but they were celebrating it, and so were we. It was about liberation from the straight-jacketed white, narrow, left-brained mainstream culture that had locked up and destroyed the best minds of our generation, as Ginsberg put it.
You missed out, but Steve Jobs didn't. Lucky for you a great deal of the vision behind Apple and certain other companies in Silicon Valley were benignly formed in that acid-enlightened counterculture. See What the Dormouse Said by John Markoff.
I'm 72 and white and now inclined like you to legit cultural pursuits, but I can see very clearly that what we've got with hip-hop culture is an exact parallel to the "revolution" of the 60s and early 70s. Of course Apple should embrace the tools of this wave of change, just like they did in the late 70s and 80s. Ain't no different, except it's even potentially bigger and more inclusive this time around. Best to watch cheerfully from the sidelines, lest you become Bob Dylan's Mr.Jones.
The Dead promoting the use of LSD?? Oh really?
"The Dead weren't promoting acid and that culture, but they were celebrating it, and so were we. It was about liberation from the straight-jacketed white, narrow, left-brained mainstream culture that had locked up and destroyed the best minds of our generation, as Ginsberg put it." Well, as they say, addicts will say anything they can to support and justify their addiction. God. You should read that back to yourself a few times and THINK about that. Seriously, not promoting it, but celebrating it. Well, I grew up in the Palo Alto area, knew people that worked with the band, etc. etc. Trust me, that "celebration" that you are referring to is what's called PROMOTING the use of it because they were addicts. They were commonly referred to as the biggest drug band in the music industry.
Oh, god forbid I become Mr. Jones. OMG, I better watch out. Sorry, i just don't try to legitimize, support and promote stupid behavior.
What's funny is that culture of the drug use from the 60's and 70s' and trying to masquerade it as revolting against the "man" is such BS. That mentality took out a lot of great people from their over indulgence. A lot of them grew up, and actually got off of that stuff and they aren't acting like immature children like they did in the 60's, and 70's. And what did all that revolting get? I think you got caught up in it and can't let go of it. The rap movement is different than what they were doing in the 60's and 70's. It's more of a thug/criminal mentality than it is just speaking up against the establishment. Usually kids that don't like authority figures do what they can to annoy everyone out of childish BS. The smart ones grow up and the dumb one still revolt like someone actually cares. What are the rappers revolting against? They could have gotten a good education if they applied themselves. What? they want their drugs legal? What are they revolting against? The fact that society wants people to grow up, become educated and to find something positive in society to do instead of turning into a bunch of thugs?
Kids, automatically, take on role models. Some are good and some aren't. I think anyone that's old enough to have gone through high school can relate to this. It's just who society, the entertainment industry, etc. promotes.
What happens is that kids latch on to people that are famous. Kids know who all of the famous celebrities are in the music, sports, and TV/Movie industries because they are promoted all of the time through the marketing of their products and they themselves are a product. Jobs understood that he had to take on this iconic role, even when he didn't always like it, sometimes I know he hated being in that position while other times he loved the attention. yeah, he wasn't perfect, but he was able to save the company he started after he left on bad terms and he and his team got the company in a huge successful position and I would hate Cook ruining it by buying Beats, I see no reason for them to buy the company at this point. Obviously, Dr. Dre couldn't keep his mouth shut and I'm sure if Jobs was still around and this happened, Jobs would have blown a head gasket over that video. To me, I think Cook is afraid to even talk to the media about it because he doesn't want to have to answer the questions regarding that video because he probably doesn't know how to address it. I think he's probably being told to keep quiet and hopefully let it blow over, but it's not going to. Cook doesn't go out and buy rap music and then secretly pull his pants down, wear a hat backwards and start with the Ebonics speak in private. Cook is VERY conservative and when he tries to be hip and cool, it's VERY obvious it's not his normal comfort zone.
You don't know Cook. Don't pretend you do. Afraid to talk to the media? He doesn't have to nor is this transaction confirmed.
Every generation has "problem" music. Drug use was prevalent in the 60s and with bands such as Phish and Dave. Hell, Elvis was controversial. I'm not a big fan of hip hop but that's okay. Get off your high horse. If true, This thing isn't going to damage Apple at all.
You don't know Cook. Don't pretend you do. Afraid to talk to the media? He doesn't have to nor is this transaction confirmed.
Every generation has "problem" music. Drug use was prevalent in the 60s and with bands such as Phish and Dave. Hell, Elvis was controversial. I'm not a big fan of hip hop but that's okay. Get off your high horse. If true, This thing isn't going to damage Apple at all.
I know human behavior. He seems to be tight lipped about the whole Dr. Dre drunken video rant that was posted. I honestly don't know how he's going to react at WWDC if asked about it in public. At some point in time he will be interviewed by someone in the media and will probably be asked about his response to the video. If I was the CEO of a major company, I would definitely NOT want to do business with someone that posts drunken videos like that. That would be a deal breaker no matter who it was. But that's just me. I would have gone public the following morning to clear any misconception and call off any deal if there was and if there wasn't, I wouldn't entertain any deal. Obviously, there is a deal, I don't think they would be that stupid to act like that if there wasn't. I know they are stupid, but that would be beyond stupid to make it up.
You don't know Cook. Don't pretend you do. Afraid to talk to the media? He doesn't have to nor is this transaction confirmed.
Every generation has "problem" music. Drug use was prevalent in the 60s and with bands such as Phish and Dave. Hell, Elvis was controversial. I'm not a big fan of hip hop but that's okay. Get off your high horse. If true, This thing isn't going to damage Apple at all.
Yeah, I know drug addictions are good and yes, it's prevalent in the entertainment, sports, and other industries. Heck, it's even prevalent in the high tech industry. And yes, Alcohol is another drug, it's just more socially accepted since it's more legal to buy and consume. But, people don't NEED to use it or promote it. Some that grew up in the 60's/70's drug culture ended up getting off that crap, a lot big names in the rock business have gotten off it. but some artists have a little more sensibilities and they don't promote it in their lyrics. Some did and probably regret having done so.
Either way, how many jazz artists have lyrics calling women the B word? Or mentioning the N word? Or mentioning going out and putting a cap in someone? There are various levels of integrity when it comes to writing lyrics for a song. There are also levels of musicianship, which the majority of the rap hip hop community rarely uses.
Look at Queen Latifah. She no longer looks like a rapper, talks like a rapper or puts out rap albums. What happened to her? She grew up and became part of the society of people that are more mature in how they behave and I'm sure looking back she probably would have preferred to have just made it and become famous for being a jazz singer instead because she wouldn't have the albums on the market that make he look stupid. People like her I have a LOT more respect for rather than these thug rappers that never seem to grow up.
I know human behavior. He seems to be tight lipped about the whole Dr. Dre drunken video rant that was posted. I honestly don't know how he's going to react at WWDC if asked about it in public. At some point in time he will be interviewed by someone in the media and will probably be asked about his response to the video. If I was the CEO of a major company, I would definitely NOT want to do business with someone that posts drunken videos like that. That would be a deal breaker no matter who it was. But that's just me. I would have gone public the following morning to clear any misconception and call off any deal if there was and if there wasn't, I wouldn't entertain any deal. Obviously, there is a deal, I don't think they would be that stupid to act like that if there wasn't. I know they are stupid, but that would be beyond stupid to make it up.
Remember when steve jobs would answer the media when deals were prematurely announced? Neither do I. In fact, as linked to earlier in the comments (in this or another Beats thread) all references to the offender were removed.
Cook will also not answer any questions if the deal doesn't go through. Easy answer.
It's great you know human behavior of someone you never met nor seen since this rumore started.
Btw, Johnny Cash sang about killing a man in Reno.
Remember when steve jobs would answer the media when deals were prematurely announced? Neither do I. In fact, as linked to earlier in the comments (in this or another Beats thread) all references to the offender were removed.
Cook will also not answer any questions if the deal doesn't go through. Easy answer.
It's great you know human behavior of someone you never met nor seen since this rumore started.
Btw, Johnny Cash sang about killing a man in Reno.
I don't remember anyone that posted a drunk video like Dr. Dre and his buddies when Jobs was around. This is a different scenario.
It just gives me a better idea of Cook and if he's going to sell out or not. If I were him, i wouldn't have tolerated that drunken video posting. I think at some point in time he's going to have to address this with the media? Why are you protecting Cook? He's done an OK job, obviously he's probably the best person at the time, but I'm 100% thrilled with his job as CEO. He's got plenty of room for improvement. I'm wondering how long he will last, he's not so young. I thought that offering to drink coffee with him for a fee on an auction was a little over the top. I thought it was a little self indulgent and a little on the arrogant side. I would understand it more if Steve did it because he was a freaking iconic individual that is far more thought provoking and I would have loved to have been able to donated money to have a private one on one with Jobs. But Cook? I didn't get it when he offered to drink coffee with someone and charging them.
Well, johnny Cash sang, wrote songs that were indicative of that style of music, for which I don't listen that much either, but he was telling his story or one like it and it wasn't done out of anything other than telling a story. BTW, Cash went to jail and he came out and didn't use drugs or drink alcohol. I actually met with one of his keyboard players as they were on tour and he needed a drive to drop off his keyboard and the music store I worked for loaned a keyboard to use. I got a pair of front row tickets, went back stage and there was nothing but water and sodas and got to go to breakfast with the band and in walked Johnny Cash, his wife and his daughter. But Johnny Cash at least played musical instruments, only played with musicians, etc. etc. At least he wasn't trying to be some thug. NO, I don't own any of his music and I don't listen to anymore than listening to a song or two when used in a movie, but I don't have that much angst about him. At least he spoke English. Yeah, he wasn't 100% the perfect celebrity, but he certainly didn't post some stupid drunk video on YouTube.. I'm not suggesting that I would hang out with Johnny Cash on a daily basis, but I didn't fear for my life when hanging around him or his band at any time and I certainly am not a country fan nor did I look like I would have.
And why are you changing the subject bringing up an exception? A lot of people don't think too highly of the cliche country singer that talks about, getting drunk when they lose their girl, kicking their dog, etc. etc. They are just a little more tolerant to deal with since they have a LITTLE more class and they aren't as disgusting as the thug rappers. At least they SING and play musical instruments and at least TRY to play in tune.
I actually don't listen to all that much music with lyrics since I enjoy listening to one's playing. I have only about 10% of the music I listen to has lyrics. Some I have no idea what they are saying since I don't speak the same language and there's no way I can translate it since they are speaking in a language indicative to certain African countries and I've learned those languages, but I can at least tell that the singer isn't being vulgar towards women, etc. etc. They usually talk about their country and how beautiful it is, or how they don't like their kids going to war or stuff like that, but it's generally much more pleasing to listen to rather than some illiterate thug trying act tough.
The Dead promoting the use of LSD?? Oh really?
<span style="line-height:1.4em;">"The Dead weren't promoting acid and that culture, but they were celebrating it, and so were we. It was about liberation from the straight-jacketed white, narrow, left-brained mainstream culture that had locked up and destroyed the best minds of our generation, as Ginsberg put it." Well, as they say, addicts will say anything they can to support and justify their addiction. </span>
God. You should read that back to yourself a few times and THINK about that. Seriously, not promoting it, but celebrating it. Well, I grew up in the Palo Alto area, knew people that worked with the band, etc. etc. Trust me, that "celebration" that you are referring to is what's called PROMOTING the use of it because they were addicts. They were commonly referred to as the biggest drug band in the music industry.
<span style="line-height:1.4em;">Oh, god forbid I become Mr. Jones. OMG, I better watch out. Sorry, i just don't try to legitimize, support and promote stupid behavior.</span>
What's funny is that culture of the drug use from the 60's and 70s' and trying to masquerade it as revolting against the "man" is such BS. That mentality took out a lot of great people from their over indulgence. A lot of them grew up, and actually got off of that stuff and they aren't acting like immature children like they did in the 60's, and 70's. And what did all that revolting get? I think you got caught up in it and can't let go of it. The rap movement is different than what they were doing in the 60's and 70's. It's more of a thug/criminal mentality than it is just speaking up against the establishment. Usually kids that don't like authority figures do what they can to annoy everyone out of childish BS. The smart ones grow up and the dumb one still revolt like someone actually cares. What are the rappers revolting against? They could have gotten a good education if they applied themselves. What? they want their drugs legal? What are they revolting against? The fact that society wants people to grow up, become educated and to find something positive in society to do instead of turning into a bunch of thugs?
Like I said, we're getting somewhere with you. This is all about cultures you are ignorant of, and afraid of. You've shown yourself to be a puritanical white dude who lacks the basic empathy needed to understand another's life situation. Arguing with you about this stuff is like trying to converse with a virgin priest about sex. You're just not going to get an authentic exchange of ideas or feelings.
Like I said, we're getting somewhere with you. This is all about cultures you are ignorant of, and afraid of. You've shown yourself to be a puritanical white dude who lacks the basic empathy needed to understand another's life situation. Arguing with you about this stuff is like trying to converse with a virgin priest about sex. You're just not going to get an authentic exchange of ideas or feelings.
Sounds like you really don't get it. I'm ignorant of it? Yeah, right. Dream on. I probably know more about it than you could possibly imagine. I helped a next door neighbor's kid get out of that rap/hip hop mentality because as his son was going to high school, he got caught up in the wearing your pants showing underwear, not doing their homework, smoking pot, and basically throwing away his chance at an education. So, between his father and I, we got him to stop wearing his underwear hanging out, we got him to get good grades in school and he started attending college and yeah both of us were afraid he was going to end up becoming yet another statistic for which tax payers have to pay for because the costs of incarceration and education through the prison system is FAR more costly than if they just went through high school and then went to a junior college program.
So don't hand me your nonsense. I have death with situations where you would be scarred out of your mind, yet I wasn't. But these kids are packing, in case you didn't know. I can get along with them just fine when in contact with them, but I prefer not to buy into their lack of drive to get an education that is FREE (for which us tax payers pay for) and then become useless thugs when they get on the streets. All this rap BS promotes that intellect and it isn't good for society and it doesn't matter what skin color they are, it's just rapper/thug BS that just making people sick. So, when was the last time you hung out with a bunch of street thugs? They aren't just located in Compton or East Palo Alto or Oakland, they are all over the place and getting into middle class society of the hard working people that have at least a decent education. And now it's permeating into upper class society as even some of the rich kids are hanging out with these idiots.
Go ahead, what's your level of interaction? I don't feel sorry for them at all. They chose that lifestyle, not me. I hate having to see it destroy other people's lives and costing our society money to clean up their BS.
1. It just gives me a better idea of Cook and if he's going to sell out or not. If I were him, i wouldn't have tolerated that drunken video posting. I think at some point in time he's going to have to address this with the media? Why are you protecting Cook? He's done an OK job, obviously he's probably the best person at the time, but I'm 100% thrilled with his job as CEO. He's got plenty of room for improvement. I'm wondering how long he will last, he's not so young. I thought that offering to drink coffee with him for a fee on an auction was a little over the top. I thought it was a little self indulgent and a little on the arrogant side. I would understand it more if Steve did it because he was a freaking iconic individual that is far more thought provoking and I would have loved to have been able to donated money to have a private one on one with Jobs. But Cook? I didn't get it when he offered to drink coffee with someone and charging them.
2. Well, johnny Cash sang, wrote songs that were indicative of that style of music, for which I don't listen that much either, but he was telling his story or one like it and it wasn't done out of anything other than telling a story. BTW, Cash went to jail and he came out and didn't use drugs or drink alcohol.
3. And why are you changing the subject bringing up an exception? A lot of people don't think too highly of the cliche country singer that talks about, getting drunk when they lose their girl, kicking their dog, etc. etc. They are just a little more tolerant to deal with since they have a LITTLE more class and they aren't as disgusting as the thug rappers. At least they SING and play musical instruments and at least TRY to play in tune.
1. Cook has done an excellent job. Not sure why anyone would think otherwise. You know his time was donated for charity, right? He's also arguably one of the most successful CEOs currently. Why wouldn't you want to pick his brain? When's the last time you raise 200k for charity? Didn't think so.
2. Only Cash can tell stories? I'm no fan of rap either but I'm not going to denigrate those that produce or enjoy it.
3. Is this code word for we give white people the benefit of the doubt?
Since you are an older white guy who's never gotten high from pot and actually thinks LSD is addictive, I doubt you would choose any sort of Dionysian life "style." But seriously, here's a hint for you as this Beats scenario progresses: Apple has a healthy relationship with all kinds of frontiers of social change. It's what they are about. Your view is not healthy because it would condemn an authentic statement of identity by an entire generation that covers much of the world. (On the other hand, you might feel most at home culturally in Putin's repressive Russia.) You should perhaps retire to the sidelines and watch what happens quietly, now that you've had your say. I guarantee you that your opinions will be remembered by many here.
A lot of people make the mistake that vocal chords are not an instrument. I wouldn't believe you if you told me opera singers aren't musicians, for example.
Dr Blank, you are more apt to answer these two questions. Who do you musically idolize? Name of a half dozen famous musicians who have a degree in music the traditional way, positive lyrics throughout their catalog and play non-vocal instrument? Assuming they exist but not well-known, they should work on their marketing and business skills.
That said, Tim Cook possibly faces a dilemma. If he makes a deal to buy Beats he'll be called a sellout and caving to pressure. If he declines he'll be called a racist. If I were forced into this I would fall on my principles in making my decision.
Since you are an older white guy who's never gotten high from pot and actually thinks LSD is addictive, I doubt you would choose any sort of Dionysian life "style." But seriously, here's a hint for you as this Beats scenario progresses: Apple has a healthy relationship with all kinds of frontiers of social change. It's what they are about. Your view is not healthy because it would condemn an authentic statement of identity by an entire generation that covers much of the world. (On the other hand, you might feel most at home culturally in Putin's repressive Russia.) You should perhaps retire to the sidelines and watch what happens quietly, now that you've had your say. I guarantee you that your opinions will be remembered by many here.
NO matter what I say, you are just going to believe what you believe.
I've never said LSD was addictive, but for some people they consumed quite a lot of it during a period of their life and during that period, it did have addictive qualities to it because they seemed to want to continually do it, which is what an addiction is. I wouldn't say LSD is as addictive as heroin, alcohol or cigarettes. Cigarettes is obviously the most addictive, but people don't get thrown in jail for smoking a cigarette and driving a car.
Freedom is a word that's been misused by people because there are laws that are in place to protect people and to keep a society from anarchy. So, are you an anarchist? Is that what you want? As far as a Dionysian lifestyle? What are you talking about? You sound like you just smoked a bunch of pot. That's ancient history. I'm about people learning how to play music and become educated in music, if you don't learn how to create music, then you really can't create very good music, now can you. Programming a sequencer without any music training on how to play a musical instrument is not exactly learning how to create music. It's more programming sounds to rhythm and you aren't the one that's really doing most of the work, the computer software is. It's kind of basically CHEATING. Plus, I prefer lyrics that are not vulgar, but I do know that sometimes the F or S word might be appropriate as maybe an adjective. But I think thinking that I want some form of older form of society that didn't work is my agenda. We need to learn from mistakes made in history, not repeat them. Right now people seem to be stuck in repeating mistakes rather than learning from them and not being obvious to how the US is becoming like an illiterate 3rd world country in many ways. Is that what you want? It's not what I want, but I and others see the signs of it every day.
I watched documentary on gangs vs organized crime a while back and from what the documentary was discussing (they were interviewing both older generation members of the mafia vs the new style gangs) for the most part, with the organized mafia, it was against their rules to kill innocent people and they had certain rules they had to adhere to and there were things that wasn't accepted. But in the streets gangs, they don't live by the same rules, and they said that there are far more innocent killings by gang related killings than when the Mafia was doing it. Plus, the Mafia, they at least learned to speak English if they were born and raised in the US. In the street gangs, they don't do that. They are against learning. Gang initiations by street gangs is far more difficult for the Police to control. the rap culture promotes this gang mentality and the Police have a difficult time controlling it, which is why it's getting into middle class America. Doesn't sound pretty from my perspective. But you seem to want that since you want to be open minded. So, go get initiated with a street gang in Compton or East Palo Alto or some Ghetto in any major city. See how long you last.
So you don't mind walking around stores and mall shopping while kids and adults walking around with their underwear hanging out? That's not a sign of intelligence, at least where I come from. Is that a sign of intelligence to you? It's not a fashion style, it's a lack of fashion sense. I think that originally came from the prisons.
There's right and wrong and then there is just common decency. But you seem to not have a problem with that. Go ahead and join them and walk around the mall with your underwear hanging out as your pants won't pull up far enough and see what kind of looks you get. At 70, you'd probably get some pretty strange looks from people.
[B]@drblank[/B], I didn't mean it as a threat, just that your posts will be remembered here because you made your opinions very clear, and that you probably won't need to say so much as the story unfolds in the future. At least I hope not, because not all of it bears repeating.
Other than that, I wish you the best, stay away from L. Ron and Lyndon, because they're looking for recruits with your worldview, and do check out some of the serious literature on "augmented mental reality," by Aldous Huxley, R. Gordon Wasson, Terence McKenna, and suchlike. Oh, and Albert Hofmann, who took his LSD several times, and lived to be 100 in perfect clarity.
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Do you use Apple products? Well, some of the features in Apple products were a direct result of me sending Jobs some emails suggesting certain features be put into it, but I'm not going to tell you which ones, because I'm not seeing this as who can piss longer.
I can formulate my own idea of who to look up to and who not to. Dr. Dre and Iovine are not who I would look up to as a role model in the music industry. There are plenty of others that deserve that more than these two. Same thing with successful business people, there are others that are far more honest in how they made their impact on society.
I hate watching kids with their underwear hanging out, where did they get that from? The rap/hiphop culture. Yeah, great, that shows some real intelligence doesn't it? they should change the laws to make that something called indecent exposure. Yeah, like that's going to be an approved dress code at Apple. Yeah right. Rappers and hip hoppers need to grow up, get a solid education and if they want to create music, then pick up a freaking instrument and learn how to play it and maybe create something worth buying. Or do something else that's positive for society instead of sounding and looking like some rejects because you don't want to get a decent education that people like me, that pays taxes pays for.
Yes. Big time. I personally have an iMac, a Mac Mini, 2 iPads, an iPhones and 5 AppleTVs. (not to mention retired hardware and what I purchase for others.)
I think it's OK not to lookup to someone and to have your own standards of morality etc...
I bet there are a lot of things that Steve Jobs did and said that many people would not lookup to.
But he was still a great CEO and visionary when you put aside some other things that he did.
The man is well known as Apple's creator and savior ...and deservingly so. (Not to mention Iovine's and Dr Dre's friend)
Surely you don't think Tim Cook would hire an executive to just rap all day in an office do you?
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Unless of course people are willing to pay Apple big bucks to come watch him rap all day...
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Wow! Angela Ahrendts could put a rap artist in every Apple store. Put 2 in the NY and LA stores and put 2 Gangnam Style in asian stores.
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I rest my case.
You didn't have a case in the first place. I think it would be hilarious is Apple didn't buy Beats, went to Monster to help them design and mfg a line of headphones (spending only a few million) and then replacing all of the Beats headphones in all of the Apple Stores, then marketing them and then watching Beats headphone sales drop like a rock and Apple headphones outsell Beats headphones and Dr. Dre ends up broke. And while that's happening, Apple starts their own subscription service, captures the majority of the market while Beats Music continually loses money until the place is shut down.
That would be great if Cook & Co. woke up and smelled the coffee on this one.
Art is the result from a society, it's rarely ever forming societies. People did not only start shooting Indians after seeing a Western, there were mass murderers before film was even invented, there was child abuse before the first picture was taken and women have been exploited and suppressed since the beginning of time. Rap / HipHop is commentary, the origins of it (think Gil Scott-Heron or Linton Kwesi Johnson) earned world-wide recognition and respect. Are there lousy rappers and posers etc.? Sure, just as there are droves of lousy Country musicians, lousy pop singers and even extremely mediocre classical musicians. But just because I hate peanut butter, you can still eat it.
Freedom of expression is one of the highest values somewhat free societies have achieved. This includes the possibility of stuff you do not like, or do not want to hear. It does not make your definition of music, or your definition of what is vulgar relevant for anybody. Without vulgar guys like Elvis or Little Richard we would maybe still have our wives and husbands chosen by our parents, ask religious nuts for what is right and what is wrong, and accept that any demands for happiness and freedom can wait for the afterlife. Music and other arts have been constantly evolving since we left the caves; assuming this will just stop and remain the same till the end of time won't work. And mostly that's good.
B and N words are just words, code. They can mean anything depending on the actual context, they are only vulgar because of what you associate with them. Getting hung up on semantics does not help. The Spanish Inquisition, the North American witch hunters, the slave owners, the Khmer Rouge, the Nazis etc ad inf used perfectly appropriate language. Most people would not say that they were positive for society. The only truly vulgar words are those chosen to hide the truth and manipulate.
I don't buy to music that has rapping in it. When I hear it, I automatically cringe and turn on something else. I never said it's rarely forming societies. But in this case, the Rap/Hip Hop mentality is creating a sub culture within our society, they make up their own language and the ignore rules as much as possible, even when it just comes to common decency.
The problem with the music industry is that SOME people have been trying to legitimize rap by getting what are SUPPOSED to be legitimate musicians/artists to embrace it because the record labels want to make MONEY from it. But that doesn't necessarily make it positive for society nor something to celebrate.
I don't listen Gil-Scott Heron for the most part, I've heard a couple of songs he had back in the 70's, but to me it wasn't that special that I wanted to listen to it. It was more politically fueled nonsense over some loops or musicians playing, but a lot of his music was, as they say, BS. He might have had a hit, but most of his stuff didn't sell well. Linton Kwesi Johnson? Never heard of him, so I can't comment on him. I just think the whole sub culture is just nonsense and is just a waste of time and money even discussing. There's no point. I think if Gil Scott Heron spent more time playing instead of his political commentary, he would have put out some decent content. He at least knows how to play music and sing, but unfortunately he got more fame with his rapping. I guess people want to buy into more controversial aspects of someone. That's the problem with someone these artists. They get some fame and money and they get all political like they people need to listen to them. I don't care about the rap/hip hop culture, to me it's the biggest waste of time.
These awards that get handed out are many times, IMO, BS awards. Some are just what other peers THINK deserves an award. That's what a lot of the music awards are, just other people that in the same industry that actually vote. There are lots of well respected musicians that don't even vote for the Grammy's. Why? They aren't into that aspect of the music scene, even though they've received them, they don't try to use that as a marketing tool. They actually downplay the fact that they gotten awards or Gold Albums, etc. They are more interested in promoting the people that influenced THEIR lives rather than this self promotion, look how many awards I have.
Oh the N word is just code? Hmmmm. Then how come when a financially wealthy individual like a Donald Sterling (whom didn't even say the N word) is seen as a racist, yet everyone in the rap/hip hop community (white or black) uses it and no one says anything? It's just an excuse to promote illiteracy and nothing else. The thing is THEY LIKE THE ATTENTION. They know that controversy sells, Madonna knows that, that's her entire mantra. Do something that's controversial, even though it's probably a bunch of BS, get famous and sell to the ignorant what you want to sell. Oldest trick in the book for selling crap to the masses. But it's old now, it's lost it's shock value and it's now just STUPID and overhyped.
It just sounds like you are validating the mediocre society we are all experiencing and allowing.Quit trying to justify it and do something to remove literacy and ignorance in music. I don't buy it. I was actually was very disappointed that one of my favorite guitar players, Carlos Santana, started using rap and sequenced BS, when he NEVER used to lower himself to that cheap production crap. His best albums were back in the 70's, when HE and his music was REAL, then he started going down hill and his latest albums are junk. Pure junk. And I like his playing, but the rapping is just destroys the music and it's all becoming chop shop garbage which is why I don't listen to or buy it. It's a shame too, I always thought he has a certain degree of integrity. I guess not. Thank God not all of my favorite musicians sold out and went ultra commercial. A lot of them moved to Europe because they didn't like what was happening to the US music scene. A shame too. But at least they still pump music on their own labels and I can buy it without having to go through the major record labels.
The most over used saying. "Break the rules". That only works to a certain point and in certain circumstances. Plus, it's just a saying. It doesn't mean violate every rule that society has in place to create a peaceful society. Laws are in place to prevent anarchy. I think this whole rapper BS is just an excuse to not get a decent education and learn how to play a musical instrument and just focus on creating some good music to enjoy and not getting into all of this political nonsense. The second these idiots start doing that, it makes the song less enjoyable. I listen to music to escape from the BS, The last thing I want to hear about is half assed "artist" try to promote their own agenda in music because they can't think of anything else. The second someone starts getting all political in music, that's when it's just not enjoyable and that's when they need to hang it up and do something else.
Yes. Big time. I personally have an iMac, a Mac Mini, 2 iPads, an iPhones and 5 AppleTVs. (not to mention retired hardware and what I purchase for others.)
I think it's OK not to lookup to someone and to have your own standards of morality etc...
I bet there are a lot of things that Steve Jobs did and said that many people would not lookup to.
But he was still a great CEO and visionary when you put aside some other things that he did.
The man is well known as Apple's creator and savior ...and deservingly so. (Not to mention Iovine's and Dr Dre's friend)
Surely you don't think Tim Cook would hire an executive to just rap all day in an office do you?
" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" /> Let alone degrade Apple in anyway...
Unless of course people are willing to pay Apple big bucks to come watch him rap all day...
" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" /> Next quarters earnings would be great. Go Apple!
Kids, automatically, take on role models. Some are good and some aren't. I think anyone that's old enough to have gone through high school can relate to this. It's just who society, the entertainment industry, etc. promotes.
What happens is that kids latch on to people that are famous. Kids know who all of the famous celebrities are in the music, sports, and TV/Movie industries because they are promoted all of the time through the marketing of their products and they themselves are a product. Jobs understood that he had to take on this iconic role, even when he didn't always like it, sometimes I know he hated being in that position while other times he loved the attention. yeah, he wasn't perfect, but he was able to save the company he started after he left on bad terms and he and his team got the company in a huge successful position and I would hate Cook ruining it by buying Beats, I see no reason for them to buy the company at this point. Obviously, Dr. Dre couldn't keep his mouth shut and I'm sure if Jobs was still around and this happened, Jobs would have blown a head gasket over that video. To me, I think Cook is afraid to even talk to the media about it because he doesn't want to have to answer the questions regarding that video because he probably doesn't know how to address it. I think he's probably being told to keep quiet and hopefully let it blow over, but it's not going to. Cook doesn't go out and buy rap music and then secretly pull his pants down, wear a hat backwards and start with the Ebonics speak in private. Cook is VERY conservative and when he tries to be hip and cool, it's VERY obvious it's not his normal comfort zone.
Now we're getting somewhere. I'm pretty sure you meant to say "not positive" in that last sentence. But I disagree with you. The Dead weren't promoting acid and that culture, but they were celebrating it, and so were we. It was about liberation from the straight-jacketed white, narrow, left-brained mainstream culture that had locked up and destroyed the best minds of our generation, as Ginsberg put it.
You missed out, but Steve Jobs didn't. Lucky for you a great deal of the vision behind Apple and certain other companies in Silicon Valley were benignly formed in that acid-enlightened counterculture. See What the Dormouse Said by John Markoff.
I'm 72 and white and now inclined like you to legit cultural pursuits, but I can see very clearly that what we've got with hip-hop culture is an exact parallel to the "revolution" of the 60s and early 70s. Of course Apple should embrace the tools of this wave of change, just like they did in the late 70s and 80s. Ain't no different, except it's even potentially bigger and more inclusive this time around. Best to watch cheerfully from the sidelines, lest you become Bob Dylan's Mr.Jones.
Now we're getting somewhere. I'm pretty sure you meant to say "not positive" in that last sentence. But I disagree with you. The Dead weren't promoting acid and that culture, but they were celebrating it, and so were we. It was about liberation from the straight-jacketed white, narrow, left-brained mainstream culture that had locked up and destroyed the best minds of our generation, as Ginsberg put it.
You missed out, but Steve Jobs didn't. Lucky for you a great deal of the vision behind Apple and certain other companies in Silicon Valley were benignly formed in that acid-enlightened counterculture. See What the Dormouse Said by John Markoff.
I'm 72 and white and now inclined like you to legit cultural pursuits, but I can see very clearly that what we've got with hip-hop culture is an exact parallel to the "revolution" of the 60s and early 70s. Of course Apple should embrace the tools of this wave of change, just like they did in the late 70s and 80s. Ain't no different, except it's even potentially bigger and more inclusive this time around. Best to watch cheerfully from the sidelines, lest you become Bob Dylan's Mr.Jones.
The Dead promoting the use of LSD?? Oh really?
"The Dead weren't promoting acid and that culture, but they were celebrating it, and so were we. It was about liberation from the straight-jacketed white, narrow, left-brained mainstream culture that had locked up and destroyed the best minds of our generation, as Ginsberg put it." Well, as they say, addicts will say anything they can to support and justify their addiction. God. You should read that back to yourself a few times and THINK about that. Seriously, not promoting it, but celebrating it. Well, I grew up in the Palo Alto area, knew people that worked with the band, etc. etc. Trust me, that "celebration" that you are referring to is what's called PROMOTING the use of it because they were addicts. They were commonly referred to as the biggest drug band in the music industry.
Oh, god forbid I become Mr. Jones. OMG, I better watch out. Sorry, i just don't try to legitimize, support and promote stupid behavior.
What's funny is that culture of the drug use from the 60's and 70s' and trying to masquerade it as revolting against the "man" is such BS. That mentality took out a lot of great people from their over indulgence. A lot of them grew up, and actually got off of that stuff and they aren't acting like immature children like they did in the 60's, and 70's. And what did all that revolting get? I think you got caught up in it and can't let go of it. The rap movement is different than what they were doing in the 60's and 70's. It's more of a thug/criminal mentality than it is just speaking up against the establishment. Usually kids that don't like authority figures do what they can to annoy everyone out of childish BS. The smart ones grow up and the dumb one still revolt like someone actually cares. What are the rappers revolting against? They could have gotten a good education if they applied themselves. What? they want their drugs legal? What are they revolting against? The fact that society wants people to grow up, become educated and to find something positive in society to do instead of turning into a bunch of thugs?
You don't know Cook. Don't pretend you do. Afraid to talk to the media? He doesn't have to nor is this transaction confirmed.
Every generation has "problem" music. Drug use was prevalent in the 60s and with bands such as Phish and Dave. Hell, Elvis was controversial. I'm not a big fan of hip hop but that's okay. Get off your high horse. If true, This thing isn't going to damage Apple at all.
You don't know Cook. Don't pretend you do. Afraid to talk to the media? He doesn't have to nor is this transaction confirmed.
Every generation has "problem" music. Drug use was prevalent in the 60s and with bands such as Phish and Dave. Hell, Elvis was controversial. I'm not a big fan of hip hop but that's okay. Get off your high horse. If true, This thing isn't going to damage Apple at all.
I know human behavior. He seems to be tight lipped about the whole Dr. Dre drunken video rant that was posted. I honestly don't know how he's going to react at WWDC if asked about it in public. At some point in time he will be interviewed by someone in the media and will probably be asked about his response to the video. If I was the CEO of a major company, I would definitely NOT want to do business with someone that posts drunken videos like that. That would be a deal breaker no matter who it was. But that's just me. I would have gone public the following morning to clear any misconception and call off any deal if there was and if there wasn't, I wouldn't entertain any deal. Obviously, there is a deal, I don't think they would be that stupid to act like that if there wasn't. I know they are stupid, but that would be beyond stupid to make it up.
You don't know Cook. Don't pretend you do. Afraid to talk to the media? He doesn't have to nor is this transaction confirmed.
Every generation has "problem" music. Drug use was prevalent in the 60s and with bands such as Phish and Dave. Hell, Elvis was controversial. I'm not a big fan of hip hop but that's okay. Get off your high horse. If true, This thing isn't going to damage Apple at all.
Yeah, I know drug addictions are good and yes, it's prevalent in the entertainment, sports, and other industries. Heck, it's even prevalent in the high tech industry. And yes, Alcohol is another drug, it's just more socially accepted since it's more legal to buy and consume. But, people don't NEED to use it or promote it. Some that grew up in the 60's/70's drug culture ended up getting off that crap, a lot big names in the rock business have gotten off it. but some artists have a little more sensibilities and they don't promote it in their lyrics. Some did and probably regret having done so.
Either way, how many jazz artists have lyrics calling women the B word? Or mentioning the N word? Or mentioning going out and putting a cap in someone? There are various levels of integrity when it comes to writing lyrics for a song. There are also levels of musicianship, which the majority of the rap hip hop community rarely uses.
Look at Queen Latifah. She no longer looks like a rapper, talks like a rapper or puts out rap albums. What happened to her? She grew up and became part of the society of people that are more mature in how they behave and I'm sure looking back she probably would have preferred to have just made it and become famous for being a jazz singer instead because she wouldn't have the albums on the market that make he look stupid. People like her I have a LOT more respect for rather than these thug rappers that never seem to grow up.
Remember when steve jobs would answer the media when deals were prematurely announced? Neither do I. In fact, as linked to earlier in the comments (in this or another Beats thread) all references to the offender were removed.
Cook will also not answer any questions if the deal doesn't go through. Easy answer.
It's great you know human behavior of someone you never met nor seen since this rumore started.
Btw, Johnny Cash sang about killing a man in Reno.
Remember when steve jobs would answer the media when deals were prematurely announced? Neither do I. In fact, as linked to earlier in the comments (in this or another Beats thread) all references to the offender were removed.
Cook will also not answer any questions if the deal doesn't go through. Easy answer.
It's great you know human behavior of someone you never met nor seen since this rumore started.
Btw, Johnny Cash sang about killing a man in Reno.
I don't remember anyone that posted a drunk video like Dr. Dre and his buddies when Jobs was around. This is a different scenario.
It just gives me a better idea of Cook and if he's going to sell out or not. If I were him, i wouldn't have tolerated that drunken video posting. I think at some point in time he's going to have to address this with the media? Why are you protecting Cook? He's done an OK job, obviously he's probably the best person at the time, but I'm 100% thrilled with his job as CEO. He's got plenty of room for improvement. I'm wondering how long he will last, he's not so young. I thought that offering to drink coffee with him for a fee on an auction was a little over the top. I thought it was a little self indulgent and a little on the arrogant side. I would understand it more if Steve did it because he was a freaking iconic individual that is far more thought provoking and I would have loved to have been able to donated money to have a private one on one with Jobs. But Cook? I didn't get it when he offered to drink coffee with someone and charging them.
Well, johnny Cash sang, wrote songs that were indicative of that style of music, for which I don't listen that much either, but he was telling his story or one like it and it wasn't done out of anything other than telling a story. BTW, Cash went to jail and he came out and didn't use drugs or drink alcohol. I actually met with one of his keyboard players as they were on tour and he needed a drive to drop off his keyboard and the music store I worked for loaned a keyboard to use. I got a pair of front row tickets, went back stage and there was nothing but water and sodas and got to go to breakfast with the band and in walked Johnny Cash, his wife and his daughter. But Johnny Cash at least played musical instruments, only played with musicians, etc. etc. At least he wasn't trying to be some thug. NO, I don't own any of his music and I don't listen to anymore than listening to a song or two when used in a movie, but I don't have that much angst about him. At least he spoke English. Yeah, he wasn't 100% the perfect celebrity, but he certainly didn't post some stupid drunk video on YouTube.. I'm not suggesting that I would hang out with Johnny Cash on a daily basis, but I didn't fear for my life when hanging around him or his band at any time and I certainly am not a country fan nor did I look like I would have.
And why are you changing the subject bringing up an exception? A lot of people don't think too highly of the cliche country singer that talks about, getting drunk when they lose their girl, kicking their dog, etc. etc. They are just a little more tolerant to deal with since they have a LITTLE more class and they aren't as disgusting as the thug rappers. At least they SING and play musical instruments and at least TRY to play in tune.
I actually don't listen to all that much music with lyrics since I enjoy listening to one's playing. I have only about 10% of the music I listen to has lyrics. Some I have no idea what they are saying since I don't speak the same language and there's no way I can translate it since they are speaking in a language indicative to certain African countries and I've learned those languages, but I can at least tell that the singer isn't being vulgar towards women, etc. etc. They usually talk about their country and how beautiful it is, or how they don't like their kids going to war or stuff like that, but it's generally much more pleasing to listen to rather than some illiterate thug trying act tough.
In my opinion Apple is not going to purchase beats headphones ! It's just a guess
Point made done
Like I said, we're getting somewhere with you. This is all about cultures you are ignorant of, and afraid of. You've shown yourself to be a puritanical white dude who lacks the basic empathy needed to understand another's life situation. Arguing with you about this stuff is like trying to converse with a virgin priest about sex. You're just not going to get an authentic exchange of ideas or feelings.
Like I said, we're getting somewhere with you. This is all about cultures you are ignorant of, and afraid of. You've shown yourself to be a puritanical white dude who lacks the basic empathy needed to understand another's life situation. Arguing with you about this stuff is like trying to converse with a virgin priest about sex. You're just not going to get an authentic exchange of ideas or feelings.
Sounds like you really don't get it. I'm ignorant of it? Yeah, right. Dream on. I probably know more about it than you could possibly imagine. I helped a next door neighbor's kid get out of that rap/hip hop mentality because as his son was going to high school, he got caught up in the wearing your pants showing underwear, not doing their homework, smoking pot, and basically throwing away his chance at an education. So, between his father and I, we got him to stop wearing his underwear hanging out, we got him to get good grades in school and he started attending college and yeah both of us were afraid he was going to end up becoming yet another statistic for which tax payers have to pay for because the costs of incarceration and education through the prison system is FAR more costly than if they just went through high school and then went to a junior college program.
So don't hand me your nonsense. I have death with situations where you would be scarred out of your mind, yet I wasn't. But these kids are packing, in case you didn't know. I can get along with them just fine when in contact with them, but I prefer not to buy into their lack of drive to get an education that is FREE (for which us tax payers pay for) and then become useless thugs when they get on the streets. All this rap BS promotes that intellect and it isn't good for society and it doesn't matter what skin color they are, it's just rapper/thug BS that just making people sick. So, when was the last time you hung out with a bunch of street thugs? They aren't just located in Compton or East Palo Alto or Oakland, they are all over the place and getting into middle class society of the hard working people that have at least a decent education. And now it's permeating into upper class society as even some of the rich kids are hanging out with these idiots.
Go ahead, what's your level of interaction? I don't feel sorry for them at all. They chose that lifestyle, not me. I hate having to see it destroy other people's lives and costing our society money to clean up their BS.
1. Cook has done an excellent job. Not sure why anyone would think otherwise. You know his time was donated for charity, right? He's also arguably one of the most successful CEOs currently. Why wouldn't you want to pick his brain? When's the last time you raise 200k for charity? Didn't think so.
2. Only Cash can tell stories? I'm no fan of rap either but I'm not going to denigrate those that produce or enjoy it.
3. Is this code word for we give white people the benefit of the doubt?
Since you are an older white guy who's never gotten high from pot and actually thinks LSD is addictive, I doubt you would choose any sort of Dionysian life "style." But seriously, here's a hint for you as this Beats scenario progresses: Apple has a healthy relationship with all kinds of frontiers of social change. It's what they are about. Your view is not healthy because it would condemn an authentic statement of identity by an entire generation that covers much of the world. (On the other hand, you might feel most at home culturally in Putin's repressive Russia.) You should perhaps retire to the sidelines and watch what happens quietly, now that you've had your say. I guarantee you that your opinions will be remembered by many here.
A lot of people make the mistake that vocal chords are not an instrument. I wouldn't believe you if you told me opera singers aren't musicians, for example.
Dr Blank, you are more apt to answer these two questions. Who do you musically idolize? Name of a half dozen famous musicians who have a degree in music the traditional way, positive lyrics throughout their catalog and play non-vocal instrument? Assuming they exist but not well-known, they should work on their marketing and business skills.
That said, Tim Cook possibly faces a dilemma. If he makes a deal to buy Beats he'll be called a sellout and caving to pressure. If he declines he'll be called a racist. If I were forced into this I would fall on my principles in making my decision.
Since you are an older white guy who's never gotten high from pot and actually thinks LSD is addictive, I doubt you would choose any sort of Dionysian life "style." But seriously, here's a hint for you as this Beats scenario progresses: Apple has a healthy relationship with all kinds of frontiers of social change. It's what they are about. Your view is not healthy because it would condemn an authentic statement of identity by an entire generation that covers much of the world. (On the other hand, you might feel most at home culturally in Putin's repressive Russia.) You should perhaps retire to the sidelines and watch what happens quietly, now that you've had your say. I guarantee you that your opinions will be remembered by many here.
NO matter what I say, you are just going to believe what you believe.
I've never said LSD was addictive, but for some people they consumed quite a lot of it during a period of their life and during that period, it did have addictive qualities to it because they seemed to want to continually do it, which is what an addiction is. I wouldn't say LSD is as addictive as heroin, alcohol or cigarettes. Cigarettes is obviously the most addictive, but people don't get thrown in jail for smoking a cigarette and driving a car.
Freedom is a word that's been misused by people because there are laws that are in place to protect people and to keep a society from anarchy. So, are you an anarchist? Is that what you want? As far as a Dionysian lifestyle? What are you talking about? You sound like you just smoked a bunch of pot. That's ancient history. I'm about people learning how to play music and become educated in music, if you don't learn how to create music, then you really can't create very good music, now can you. Programming a sequencer without any music training on how to play a musical instrument is not exactly learning how to create music. It's more programming sounds to rhythm and you aren't the one that's really doing most of the work, the computer software is. It's kind of basically CHEATING. Plus, I prefer lyrics that are not vulgar, but I do know that sometimes the F or S word might be appropriate as maybe an adjective. But I think thinking that I want some form of older form of society that didn't work is my agenda. We need to learn from mistakes made in history, not repeat them. Right now people seem to be stuck in repeating mistakes rather than learning from them and not being obvious to how the US is becoming like an illiterate 3rd world country in many ways. Is that what you want? It's not what I want, but I and others see the signs of it every day.
I watched documentary on gangs vs organized crime a while back and from what the documentary was discussing (they were interviewing both older generation members of the mafia vs the new style gangs) for the most part, with the organized mafia, it was against their rules to kill innocent people and they had certain rules they had to adhere to and there were things that wasn't accepted. But in the streets gangs, they don't live by the same rules, and they said that there are far more innocent killings by gang related killings than when the Mafia was doing it. Plus, the Mafia, they at least learned to speak English if they were born and raised in the US. In the street gangs, they don't do that. They are against learning. Gang initiations by street gangs is far more difficult for the Police to control. the rap culture promotes this gang mentality and the Police have a difficult time controlling it, which is why it's getting into middle class America. Doesn't sound pretty from my perspective. But you seem to want that since you want to be open minded. So, go get initiated with a street gang in Compton or East Palo Alto or some Ghetto in any major city. See how long you last.
So you don't mind walking around stores and mall shopping while kids and adults walking around with their underwear hanging out? That's not a sign of intelligence, at least where I come from. Is that a sign of intelligence to you? It's not a fashion style, it's a lack of fashion sense. I think that originally came from the prisons.
There's right and wrong and then there is just common decency. But you seem to not have a problem with that. Go ahead and join them and walk around the mall with your underwear hanging out as your pants won't pull up far enough and see what kind of looks you get. At 70, you'd probably get some pretty strange looks from people.
Other than that, I wish you the best, stay away from L. Ron and Lyndon, because they're looking for recruits with your worldview, and do check out some of the serious literature on "augmented mental reality," by Aldous Huxley, R. Gordon Wasson, Terence McKenna, and suchlike. Oh, and Albert Hofmann, who took his LSD several times, and lived to be 100 in perfect clarity.