If it's not a G5 or not a G4 at a minimum of 1.5GHz and doesn't include a minimum 166/333MHz DDR bus, then Apple is doomed to have another very disappointing MacWorld.
<strong>If it's not a G5 or not a G4 at a minimum of 1.5GHz and doesn't include a minimum 166/333MHz DDR bus, then Apple is doomed to have another very disappointing MacWorld.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Don't you mean DOOMED, period? Forever and ever? <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
Dorsal let me be the first to say I'm sure glad I was wrong... Due to your last posting date plus no return postings plus an Apple buyout of a company plus an active imagination... Well anyway I'm just glad you're still around and still posting.
Anyway, if I'm reading you right we're gonna see something more like a G4.5 at MacWorld NY eh? Better CPU <--> memory access will be 'stellar'?? As compared to current Mac's or as compared to the rest of the (highish end) desktop industry as a whole?
Oh and have you seen this pic? Does it resemble anything you may or may not have seen??
Anyway... your first post while interesting left out much detail... I'm anxious to hear more.
Oh no. One being Kim Kap Sol, my friend. Kormac76/7 is light years ahead of KimKapSol, our plastics-spy-in-hiding.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I disagree. KimKapSol's steaming pile was short lived, Kormac's went on for months, it got smeared into every crack of AI's UBB and all the noses of those semi-retarded members who lined up for the priveledge of licking the choclate icing from between his cheeks. Truly disgusting, nothing in the history of AI was ever worse than Kormac and his fanatical cult weenies.
Hey guys don't wet your pants yet... We all know how Apple is good in the art of disappointing us.... <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
The last two Macworld were disastrous.
Remember last year at the same time lots of us were expecting dual GHz machines with DDR and we all know what we finally got.
Last year I almost cried when I saw the specifications of the Powermacs.
Don't get me wrong I'd love to see REAL Pro machines with all the goodies and finally a brand new case.
But I believe that we will get a 1.2 GHz at the top of the line with the technical specifications of the X-Serve (DDR, ATA 100)
The only thing that gives me hope is the announcement of Powerlogics that will make available for purchase cards up to 1 GHz.
I do not have anything against Dorsal but he predicted so many stuff that never showed up, that I'm very skeptical.
<strong>Last year I almost cried when I saw the specifications of the Powermacs.
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That's just truly f`ucking lame. Lame. Lame. LAME.
What some of you knuckleheads fail to understand is if the PowerMac details make you "almost cry" and you swear off Apple forever, there are still people out there that have invested heavily in Mac software that will still purchase these machines.
Apple will make its money whether it's off you or not.
Well I'd say that MWNY will be a make or break event for Dorsal's reputation.
I really hope he's right and we see a G4 with a modified FSB scheme or an on-chip memory controller. Only time will tell for sure, but Moki says they are "improving memory bandwidth" as well, so perhaps things aren't completely in the crapper?
As you indicated we've heard a lot of this before. So the new chipset architecture must be more impressive than is immediately obvious to me, or am I not to be one of the pleasantly suprised?
there are still people out there that have invested heavily in Mac software that will still purchase these machines.
Apple will make its money whether it's off you or not.
Grow up. </strong><hr></blockquote>
... man's got a point, given the half life of Apple's market share, who cares if we're down to 5 or 6 users in a few years ... they could take turns pretending to be iCEO!
Developer meetings? No problem, hold 'em anywhere! Who's gonna show up?
Enough already with all this "who killed who?" er uh, with all this whining about Apple's hardware falling behind 'n stuff, think of the benefits!
Dorsal M, my sentiments go along the same as what DaveGee said ... I'm glad you're back (even though, in my case, I'm only guessing at things).
Regarding your vague opening post, does this mean things are "on-going" from your earlier thread "The G5 and what it means for future Macs", opened 3-19-02, only using an updated G4 (74XX) and not a (75XX)? Is the motherboard config using the same or similar daughter card memory association/ RIO implementation/ PCI-X ? And lastly, Do you think, based on what you've been testing, that there will be different main CPU hardware companies associated with Apple's Consumer and "Pro"desktop lines?
Glad you're still with us Dorsal. May the Force be with you!
Going back over some older news items (rumors etc) I found this:
[quote]
Need for Speed
According to the PCI-SIG, a number of upcoming technological developments will require a faster internal input/output scheme.
"Technologies such as CPU speeds that will exceed 10 GHz, faster memory speeds, higher-speed graphics, 1-Gigabit and 10-Gigabit LAN, 1394b, InfiniBand fabrics and others will drive the need for much greater internal system bandwidth," according to 3GIO product literature.
Apple already includes a direct bus to the system controller on current Power Mac G4 systems, providing sustained throughput of 215 Mbps. The company claims that bottlenecks in most other PC architectures cause a slowdown to 133 Mbps when using certain applications.
Current specifications for 3GIO show data running directly from an expansion device (such as a graphics card) through a memory bridge and into the CPU, avoiding any potential I/O bridge bottlenecks.
The PCI-SIG claims 3GIO sports an initial frequency of 2.5 Gb/s/direction, which is expected to increase as silicon technology advances to 10Gb/s/direction (the theoretical maximum for signals sent via copper wire). 3GIO purportedly also will feature 100 MB per second per pin data transfer, compared with AGP 4X's 10 MB per second per pin throughput.
HyperTransport Complement
AMD is developing its own high-speed interconnection standard, independent of 3GIO, dubbed "HyperTransport." This I/O standard, which AMD officials said is not intended to compete with either 3GIO or PCI-X, will deliver 12.8 GB/sec.
Apple is a member of the HyperTransport Consortium, lending credence to speculation that the company will choose to integrate some form of AMD's technology into its high-end systems. NVidia, which supplies virtually all graphics cards for current desktop Macs, is also a member of the HyperTransport Consortium.
Major announcements regarding HyperTransport and possibly 3GIO are expected to take place at the Networld+Interop conference, to be held in Las Vegas, Nevada, from May 7th to 9th.
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Does this fit in with anything we might be looking at?
So, can we expect simple G4's running at around the same speed but with major improvements to the bus? Will this make the G4 faster? I can hear all the people complaing if the all we get is a 1.2 Ghz G4...with hypertransport.
For everyone who wasn't around when Dorsal first posted about the powermacs: we have to remember that Dorsal does not know what will be released at the next MW. He only knows what is contained in the test machines that his company receives. He reports on the tech that they use and just because the next PM doesn't contain some of this tech, doesn't mean that it didn't exist. Test machines do not always make it into production (hence why they are test machines). So use Dorsal's info to get an idea of what technology apple is testing, not what they will release.
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<strong>If it's not a G5 or not a G4 at a minimum of 1.5GHz and doesn't include a minimum 166/333MHz DDR bus, then Apple is doomed to have another very disappointing MacWorld.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Don't you mean DOOMED, period? Forever and ever? <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
Anyway, if I'm reading you right we're gonna see something more like a G4.5 at MacWorld NY eh? Better CPU <--> memory access will be 'stellar'?? As compared to current Mac's or as compared to the rest of the (highish end) desktop industry as a whole?
Oh and have you seen this pic? Does it resemble anything you may or may not have seen??
Anyway... your first post while interesting left out much detail... I'm anxious to hear more.
Dave
<strong>
Oh no. One being Kim Kap Sol, my friend. Kormac76/7 is light years ahead of KimKapSol, our plastics-spy-in-hiding.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I disagree. KimKapSol's steaming pile was short lived, Kormac's went on for months, it got smeared into every crack of AI's UBB and all the noses of those semi-retarded members who lined up for the priveledge of licking the choclate icing from between his cheeks. Truly disgusting, nothing in the history of AI was ever worse than Kormac and his fanatical cult weenies.
<strong>You will see a collaboration with another hardware company, but this will not surprise some of you in the know.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Well my money is on Nvidia...
Dave
The last two Macworld were disastrous.
Remember last year at the same time lots of us were expecting dual GHz machines with DDR and we all know what we finally got.
Last year I almost cried when I saw the specifications of the Powermacs.
Don't get me wrong I'd love to see REAL Pro machines with all the goodies and finally a brand new case.
But I believe that we will get a 1.2 GHz at the top of the line with the technical specifications of the X-Serve (DDR, ATA 100)
The only thing that gives me hope is the announcement of Powerlogics that will make available for purchase cards up to 1 GHz.
I do not have anything against Dorsal but he predicted so many stuff that never showed up, that I'm very skeptical.
everybody shut his worthless trap, and let the master spill the exciting beans!!!
so for geezes sake let´s hear some details Dorsal.... we´re starving here!!
<img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
<strong>Last year I almost cried when I saw the specifications of the Powermacs.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
That's just truly f`ucking lame. Lame. Lame. LAME.
What some of you knuckleheads fail to understand is if the PowerMac details make you "almost cry" and you swear off Apple forever, there are still people out there that have invested heavily in Mac software that will still purchase these machines.
Apple will make its money whether it's off you or not.
Grow up.
I really hope he's right and we see a G4 with a modified FSB scheme or an on-chip memory controller. Only time will tell for sure, but Moki says they are "improving memory bandwidth" as well, so perhaps things aren't completely in the crapper?
Thanks for the info Mister.
As you indicated we've heard a lot of this before. So the new chipset architecture must be more impressive than is immediately obvious to me, or am I not to be one of the pleasantly suprised?
what you said Programmer
<strong>
The last two Macworld were disastrous.
Remember last year at the same time lots of us were expecting dual GHz machines with DDR and we all know what we finally got.
Last year I almost cried when I saw the specifications of the Powermacs. </strong><hr></blockquote>
Actually, I liked last years MWNY and went out after that and bought a QS867 with a 22 inch cinema display. It is awesome.
<strong>
there are still people out there that have invested heavily in Mac software that will still purchase these machines.
Apple will make its money whether it's off you or not.
Grow up.
... man's got a point, given the half life of Apple's market share, who cares if we're down to 5 or 6 users in a few years ... they could take turns pretending to be iCEO!
Developer meetings? No problem, hold 'em anywhere! Who's gonna show up?
Enough already with all this "who killed who?" er uh, with all this whining about Apple's hardware falling behind 'n stuff, think of the benefits!
Transluscent Aquariums For Everybody!
Whaddaya Say!
Regarding your vague opening post, does this mean things are "on-going" from your earlier thread "The G5 and what it means for future Macs", opened 3-19-02, only using an updated G4 (74XX) and not a (75XX)? Is the motherboard config using the same or similar daughter card memory association/ RIO implementation/ PCI-X ? And lastly, Do you think, based on what you've been testing, that there will be different main CPU hardware companies associated with Apple's Consumer and "Pro"desktop lines?
Glad you're still with us Dorsal. May the Force be with you!
Mmm Dual 1.5s ...
[quote]
Need for Speed
According to the PCI-SIG, a number of upcoming technological developments will require a faster internal input/output scheme.
"Technologies such as CPU speeds that will exceed 10 GHz, faster memory speeds, higher-speed graphics, 1-Gigabit and 10-Gigabit LAN, 1394b, InfiniBand fabrics and others will drive the need for much greater internal system bandwidth," according to 3GIO product literature.
Apple already includes a direct bus to the system controller on current Power Mac G4 systems, providing sustained throughput of 215 Mbps. The company claims that bottlenecks in most other PC architectures cause a slowdown to 133 Mbps when using certain applications.
Current specifications for 3GIO show data running directly from an expansion device (such as a graphics card) through a memory bridge and into the CPU, avoiding any potential I/O bridge bottlenecks.
The PCI-SIG claims 3GIO sports an initial frequency of 2.5 Gb/s/direction, which is expected to increase as silicon technology advances to 10Gb/s/direction (the theoretical maximum for signals sent via copper wire). 3GIO purportedly also will feature 100 MB per second per pin data transfer, compared with AGP 4X's 10 MB per second per pin throughput.
HyperTransport Complement
AMD is developing its own high-speed interconnection standard, independent of 3GIO, dubbed "HyperTransport." This I/O standard, which AMD officials said is not intended to compete with either 3GIO or PCI-X, will deliver 12.8 GB/sec.
Apple is a member of the HyperTransport Consortium, lending credence to speculation that the company will choose to integrate some form of AMD's technology into its high-end systems. NVidia, which supplies virtually all graphics cards for current desktop Macs, is also a member of the HyperTransport Consortium.
Major announcements regarding HyperTransport and possibly 3GIO are expected to take place at the Networld+Interop conference, to be held in Las Vegas, Nevada, from May 7th to 9th.
<hr></blockquote>
Does this fit in with anything we might be looking at?
Dave
<img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
so torturous
<strong>oh the vaugeness of it all!
<img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
so torturous</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yes you are quite right, who can call whatever is written wrong with such wide sweeping rumors... better faster... this we already know...