[quote]This jibes with what I've heard as well, but as I understand it, this motherboard has been unfortunately delayed, and a stop-gap DDR motherboard is what we'll see first.<hr></blockquote>
Translation: Xserve architecture in a desktop case. Go back to sleep... <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
<strong>The Ocean fabric connects I/O, not processor execution units. It can maybe connect multiple e500 cores together, but I really doubt that.</strong><hr></blockquote>
After poking around a bit on the Moto site I agree with this assessment. The e500 core, however, seems to be designed with "auxilary processing units" in mind. These become part of the core, and are not connected via OCEAN. The only SIMD unit discussed by Moto in this context is not an AltiVec unit, strangely enough. It is intended for lower end integer DSP applications. FPUs and AltiVec VPUs should be possible, and possibly other integer units...? Moto only mentions 2-way superscalar, however, which would put it as a substantial disadvantage against the G4 (as THT pointed out).
Dorsal may be blowing smoke on this one, but I wouldn't be surprised if a future desktop PPC for Apple used this OCEAN on-chip interconnect scheme -- its pretty cool. The 128 Gb/sec is full duplex and multi-way between different functional units.
Just reading the last posts was quite enjoyable (FOFLOL), thanks people . . . I sorely needed it.
And Dorsal M, thanks for the update. Waiting for more, please.
After thinking about the "mystery" company, my bet is on NVidia as well (IBM is already "tied in" with Apple). Too many coincidences, and the graphics fit in with the "Hollywood" S/W acquisitions.
Much to learn, we have. The shroud of the Dark Side is lifting before us.
Am I the only one who thinks that the moki who posts here is an imposter? How hard would it be for some guy to register the name moki and copy moki's sig from macnn, then begin pulling your collective chains?
<strong>Am I the only one who thinks that the moki who posts here is an imposter? How hard would it be for some guy to register the name moki and copy moki's sig from macnn, then begin pulling your collective chains?
Maybe it's really him, but I just don't buy it.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I've been reading moki's MacNN posts for many months, and never had a doubt it's the same fellow.
Besides, what would be the point of spoofing moki only to be just as reticent as he is on MacNN?
<strong>RDF \tReality-Distortion Field (attribute shared by charismatic leaders, like Steve Jobs of Apple Computers where the term originated) </strong><hr></blockquote>
<strong>Am I the only one who thinks that the moki who posts here is an imposter? How hard would it be for some guy to register the name moki and copy moki's sig from macnn, then begin pulling your collective chains?
Maybe it's really him, but I just don't buy it.</strong><hr></blockquote>
That would be reasonable to wonder about in the short term, but since Moki he's been posting here for a long time, and since he's a public figure of sorts in the Mac community, don't you think it would have gotten back to him by now? I mean, wouldn't he have gotten an email or a comment about one of his AI posts, and figured out what was going on, by now?
Now I learn that the "OCeaN" fabric connects components (e500, on-chip controllers), making the chip even more modular, and the e500 can take auxillary units! And Rapid-I/O scales up to 7Gb/s!
W00T! I won't care if it is used in Macs, my semi-geek brain is set to "drool" mode!
<strong>Am I the only one who thinks that the moki who posts here is an imposter? How hard would it be for some guy to register the name moki and copy moki's sig from macnn, then begin pulling your collective chains?
Maybe it's really him, but I just don't buy it.</strong><hr></blockquote>
It's the real moki and the same one it always has been and if he's pulling people's chains he makes up some pretty damn accurate crap
Yeah and he's obviously enjoying a lot that everyone here flocks to his word, like sheep to the shepherd. You could call that abuse of his position if you wanted. On the other hand, it's your own fault if you turn on your salt diet, when reading his posts.
Oh moki, moki please give us some detail, and oh yeah btw AMBROSIA RULES and EV Nova is incredible and and...don't you think that's pathetic?
<strong>Yeah and he's obviously enjoying a lot that everyone here flocks to his word, like sheep to the shepherd. You could call that abuse of his position if you wanted. On the other hand, it's your own fault if you turn on your salt diet, when reading his posts.
Oh moki, moki please give us some detail, and oh yeah btw AMBROSIA RULES and EV Nova is incredible and and...don't you think that's pathetic?
I sure think so.
Let him post as moki, and forget about the sig.
G-News</strong><hr></blockquote>
Don't be such a miserable git!
It's just a rumour board, for fun. You know, fun? F U N? No? Fair enough...
All that said when they do release their next generation chip there is no reason it shouldn't be designed with a 64-bit future in mind even if they only do it for marketing reasons.
Consoles are largely about the game developers that are onside for a certain console. In Japan a lot of people have bought PS2 consoles simply due to Square's development for the platform.
When the Xbox came out they released it with a series of big Xbox only titles to try and lure people to buy the console for just certain titles. Nintendo did the same thing with the Gamecube. <hr></blockquote>
It may not rely on 'bitness' now, but earlier on, the console marketing was completely reliant on how many bits the machines had. Do you not remember the 16 bit SNES, the 32 bit Saturn and PSX ('wow!'), the 64 bit N64 ('gasp!') and the 'first 128 bit console' the Dreamcast ('hold me back before I go and buy one of those processing monsters!')
All I am saying is that, come January (or even as soon as Xmas), Apple is going to get caught in a pincer movement, and as ZoSo says, will have to talk about the MHz myth and the 64-bit myth. I know full well that Apple has no need for a 64 bit chip, until of course someone walks into PC world and is confronted by a 3GHz P4, a '64 bit' 3600+ AMD, and a 1.6 GHz 32 bit G4 - which two of the three do you think will get sold first?
[quote] Originally posted by Programmer: I don't understand why this "spoils" it?<hr></blockquote>
It doesn't at all. Just stating that I had started to prepare myself for a reasonably realistic NY (I have to upgrade then), and then Dorsal posts juicy stuff about the G5.
"I know full well that Apple has no need for a 64 bit chip, until of course someone walks into PC world and is confronted by a 3GHz P4, a '64 bit' 3600+ AMD, and a 1.6 GHz 32 bit G4 - which two of the three do you think will get sold first?"
I know full well that Apple has no need for a 64 bit chip, until of course someone walks into PC world and is confronted by a 3GHz P4, a '64 bit' 3600+ AMD, and a 1.6 GHz 32 bit G4 - which two of the three do you think will get sold first?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Comments
<strong>To clarify: <a href="http://totl.net/VisibleMars/images/mars/us/anal.jpg"; target="_blank">here's</a> a diagram of the new core.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Hmmm.. where can I get one of those ?
Translation: Xserve architecture in a desktop case. Go back to sleep... <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
Thx...
:eek:
<strong>What? It's imaginary!?
:eek: </strong><hr></blockquote>
The Field is real. What you believe while under the influence of The Field... well, that's another matter entirely
[ 06-17-2002: Message edited by: shetline ]</p>
<strong>The Ocean fabric connects I/O, not processor execution units. It can maybe connect multiple e500 cores together, but I really doubt that.</strong><hr></blockquote>
After poking around a bit on the Moto site I agree with this assessment. The e500 core, however, seems to be designed with "auxilary processing units" in mind. These become part of the core, and are not connected via OCEAN. The only SIMD unit discussed by Moto in this context is not an AltiVec unit, strangely enough. It is intended for lower end integer DSP applications. FPUs and AltiVec VPUs should be possible, and possibly other integer units...? Moto only mentions 2-way superscalar, however, which would put it as a substantial disadvantage against the G4 (as THT pointed out).
Dorsal may be blowing smoke on this one, but I wouldn't be surprised if a future desktop PPC for Apple used this OCEAN on-chip interconnect scheme -- its pretty cool. The 128 Gb/sec is full duplex and multi-way between different functional units.
And Dorsal M, thanks for the update. Waiting for more, please.
After thinking about the "mystery" company, my bet is on NVidia as well (IBM is already "tied in" with Apple). Too many coincidences, and the graphics fit in with the "Hollywood" S/W acquisitions.
Much to learn, we have. The shroud of the Dark Side is lifting before us.
Maybe it's really him, but I just don't buy it.
<strong>Am I the only one who thinks that the moki who posts here is an imposter? How hard would it be for some guy to register the name moki and copy moki's sig from macnn, then begin pulling your collective chains?
Maybe it's really him, but I just don't buy it.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I've been reading moki's MacNN posts for many months, and never had a doubt it's the same fellow.
Besides, what would be the point of spoofing moki only to be just as reticent as he is on MacNN?
<strong>What the heck does RDF mean???
Thx...</strong><hr></blockquote>
[quote]Originally taken from <a href="http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?String=exact&Acronym=RDF"; target="_blank">Acronym Finder</a>:
<strong>RDF \tReality-Distortion Field (attribute shared by charismatic leaders, like Steve Jobs of Apple Computers where the term originated) </strong><hr></blockquote>
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
[ 06-18-2002: Message edited by: the_unknown_source ]</p>
<strong>Am I the only one who thinks that the moki who posts here is an imposter? How hard would it be for some guy to register the name moki and copy moki's sig from macnn, then begin pulling your collective chains?
Maybe it's really him, but I just don't buy it.</strong><hr></blockquote>
That would be reasonable to wonder about in the short term, but since Moki he's been posting here for a long time, and since he's a public figure of sorts in the Mac community, don't you think it would have gotten back to him by now? I mean, wouldn't he have gotten an email or a comment about one of his AI posts, and figured out what was going on, by now?
Now I learn that the "OCeaN" fabric connects components (e500, on-chip controllers), making the chip even more modular, and the e500 can take auxillary units! And Rapid-I/O scales up to 7Gb/s!
W00T! I won't care if it is used in Macs, my semi-geek brain is set to "drool" mode!
Barto
<strong>Am I the only one who thinks that the moki who posts here is an imposter? How hard would it be for some guy to register the name moki and copy moki's sig from macnn, then begin pulling your collective chains?
Maybe it's really him, but I just don't buy it.</strong><hr></blockquote>
It's the real moki and the same one it always has been and if he's pulling people's chains he makes up some pretty damn accurate crap
Oh moki, moki please give us some detail, and oh yeah btw AMBROSIA RULES and EV Nova is incredible and and...don't you think that's pathetic?
I sure think so.
Let him post as moki, and forget about the sig.
G-News
<strong>Yeah and he's obviously enjoying a lot that everyone here flocks to his word, like sheep to the shepherd. You could call that abuse of his position if you wanted. On the other hand, it's your own fault if you turn on your salt diet, when reading his posts.
Oh moki, moki please give us some detail, and oh yeah btw AMBROSIA RULES and EV Nova is incredible and and...don't you think that's pathetic?
I sure think so.
Let him post as moki, and forget about the sig.
G-News</strong><hr></blockquote>
Don't be such a miserable git!
It's just a rumour board, for fun. You know, fun? F U N? No? Fair enough...
All that said when they do release their next generation chip there is no reason it shouldn't be designed with a 64-bit future in mind even if they only do it for marketing reasons.
quote:
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Marketing is everything (look at the consoles).
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Consoles are largely about the game developers that are onside for a certain console. In Japan a lot of people have bought PS2 consoles simply due to Square's development for the platform.
When the Xbox came out they released it with a series of big Xbox only titles to try and lure people to buy the console for just certain titles. Nintendo did the same thing with the Gamecube. <hr></blockquote>
It may not rely on 'bitness' now, but earlier on, the console marketing was completely reliant on how many bits the machines had. Do you not remember the 16 bit SNES, the 32 bit Saturn and PSX ('wow!'), the 64 bit N64 ('gasp!') and the 'first 128 bit console' the Dreamcast ('hold me back before I go and buy one of those processing monsters!')
All I am saying is that, come January (or even as soon as Xmas), Apple is going to get caught in a pincer movement, and as ZoSo says, will have to talk about the MHz myth and the 64-bit myth. I know full well that Apple has no need for a 64 bit chip, until of course someone walks into PC world and is confronted by a 3GHz P4, a '64 bit' 3600+ AMD, and a 1.6 GHz 32 bit G4 - which two of the three do you think will get sold first?
[quote] Originally posted by Programmer: I don't understand why this "spoils" it?<hr></blockquote>
It doesn't at all. Just stating that I had started to prepare myself for a reasonably realistic NY (I have to upgrade then), and then Dorsal posts juicy stuff about the G5.
Succinctly put.
Lemon Bon Bon
<strong>
I know full well that Apple has no need for a 64 bit chip, until of course someone walks into PC world and is confronted by a 3GHz P4, a '64 bit' 3600+ AMD, and a 1.6 GHz 32 bit G4 - which two of the three do you think will get sold first?</strong><hr></blockquote>
The one the salesman gets the best commission on.