I don't doubt that Dorsal has inside info on chips and motherboards, but I don't think he has enough insight to justify the title of this thread. Let's not forget Seybold and maybe even Siggraph. I don't know if Steve-o would be able to get the attention he wants at Siggraph, but with the amount of Broadcast software their selling and purchasing, it makes sense for them to have a large presence there.
On the other hand maybe it's best for the new hardware to be announced at MWNY and just be shown at Siggraph. Anyway, the point is, we shouldn't be expecting anything in particular at MWNY. There will be other opportunities for any announcement(s) before the end of the summer.
<strong><a href="http://www.geek.com/procspec/apple/g5.htm"; target="_blank">this</a> doesn't bode well .. nothing we didn't know already, but when ChipGeek posts it, then we should get worried.
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Sounds to me like ChipGeek is just cribbing from AppleInsider.
I'm not worried myself. From what I've read, it seems likely that Apple has a new, faster pro chip almost ready to bring to market. I could care less who builds it really, as long as it's quick and scales well. And anyway, hasn't everyone and his sister on this forum been saying that Apple needs to dump Motorola?
[quote] Because most Americans don't give a f*ck what happens outside of the USA (those othe 5.8 billion souls).
Just read their news papers/magazines to verify. <hr></blockquote>
This may not be the place for this, but hold on a second pal! Some points of fact:
FACT- The US is currently more engaged in international affairs than any nation on earth.
FACT- The US gives FAR more in international aid than any nation on earth.
FACT- The US bears a burden on the international stage, that entails complexities that Belgium could never possibly understand.
FACT- Policy is a lot more that fat, boring European men with bad haircuts, sitting around paying lip service to what should be done, and then expecting the US to bail them out when they realize that all they were ever any good at was making chocolate!
So, SHHHHHHHH! <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
....as opposed to all the fat, stupid americans who shoot first anf then dont bother to ask questions later...of course!! <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
"FACT- The US gives FAR more in international aid than any nation on earth."
You sure of that? Or does that just include Bill Gates and Ted Turner? (:
What amazes me is how Europeans complain about America. Europe has done more to screw this world than anybody. The germans were bad in that they killed 6 million in one go (and a whole bunch of gypsies that no one cares about) but the history of Europe is one on genocide. Who killed the native people of the new world? The problems of Asia and Africa lay directly on the feet of England, France and Portugal. America is no saint, and generally we are a dumb nation, but in no way can Europe look down upon us.
And for more Apple stuff, a really dumb question. Does DDR ram in a graphics board help? Why? Why would'nt DDR ram in the X-serve help?
[Q]What worries me is the other thread about an Apple Camera maybe being released also.
Jobs won't put 2 very big things in one event
(aka G5(or very big powerMac upgrade) and a new device).
So I hope the camera is for later[/Q]<hr></blockquote>
That's a seriously disturbing thought. What business does Apple have in making a camera? There are many great companies (I doubt I need to name any) that have been making very high quality camera's for 50 years + that I would feel more comfortable buying a camera from.
This is the first time I've heard of this rumor, and I hope it's the ramblings of some idiot that you read, because I would think Apple would be better off using it's resources in other areas that would probably be more profitable to Apple. A (bonehead) move like this does not sound like smart business IMHO.
[quote]"FACT- The US gives FAR more in international aid than any nation on earth."
You sure of that? Or does that just include Bill Gates and Ted Turner? (:
<hr></blockquote>
Absolutely positive! Look into international aid statistics, both through non profits, the UN, and every other international aid channel, the US has eclipsed every other country for the past 20 years. Both in total $$, and as a percent of GDP. We are, and have been the most generous nation on the planet.
As for this moron, the typical blanket statement "Um, well the US shoots first and asks questions later" is the same crap that has been spouted for years to try to rationalize the pathetic inertia of European policies.
Would you people shut your yap about the 1,832nd USA-vs.-Europe thread? Take it to AppleOutsider if you are firmly convinced that a web board about Macintoshes is the ideal place for an inept and fitful discussion about politics.
So let me ask again. Does DDR ram add in a graphics chip? If so, what will DDR ram add to a set up like the X-serve and what could it mean for the new towers coming in July? If it will be just what Moki said and the "Stop gap" system of the X-serve.
<strong><a href="http://www.geek.com/procspec/apple/g5.htm"; target="_blank">this</a> doesn't bode well .. nothing we didn't know already, but when ChipGeek posts it, then we should get worried.
at least the bus speed is greatly improved.
pity bout the 85XX ..
c'est la vie
<img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>The 8500 was never going to be a desktop chip, it's a chip for the comm and embedded market. The G5 used in Apple's PowerMacs was always going to be the 7500. 74xx = G4, 75xx = G5. 85xx = next gen embedded.
Oopsie! Now guys, do what the Administrator is telling you to!
See, that's why it's great from a land so small noone gives a **** about! Slovenia is unlikely to be blamed for any mess, whereas the US is a great target to blame for everything...
<strong>So let me ask again. Does DDR ram add in a graphics chip? If so, what will DDR ram add to a set up like the X-serve and what could it mean for the new towers coming in July? If it will be just what Moki said and the "Stop gap" system of the X-serve.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I assume you are talking about the DDR on the motherboard? Most graphics boards nowadays use DDR for VRAM.
Yes, the extra bandwidth provided by DDR on the motherboard should aid the graphics system since with Quartz Extreme the graphics engine will be reading a lot of data from main memory in order to draw it on the display.
Maybe the "this is Apple's year" is more then a marketing scheme to gain market share. Maybe Apple has plans of world domination tucked away in their belts. Wow, that would be neat. Do I get a free tattoo also?
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On the other hand maybe it's best for the new hardware to be announced at MWNY and just be shown at Siggraph. Anyway, the point is, we shouldn't be expecting anything in particular at MWNY. There will be other opportunities for any announcement(s) before the end of the summer.
<strong><a href="http://www.geek.com/procspec/apple/g5.htm"; target="_blank">this</a> doesn't bode well .. nothing we didn't know already, but when ChipGeek posts it, then we should get worried.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Sounds to me like ChipGeek is just cribbing from AppleInsider.
I'm not worried myself. From what I've read, it seems likely that Apple has a new, faster pro chip almost ready to bring to market. I could care less who builds it really, as long as it's quick and scales well. And anyway, hasn't everyone and his sister on this forum been saying that Apple needs to dump Motorola?
Just read their news papers/magazines to verify. <hr></blockquote>
This may not be the place for this, but hold on a second pal! Some points of fact:
FACT- The US is currently more engaged in international affairs than any nation on earth.
FACT- The US gives FAR more in international aid than any nation on earth.
FACT- The US bears a burden on the international stage, that entails complexities that Belgium could never possibly understand.
FACT- Policy is a lot more that fat, boring European men with bad haircuts, sitting around paying lip service to what should be done, and then expecting the US to bail them out when they realize that all they were ever any good at was making chocolate!
So, SHHHHHHHH! <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
[ 06-19-2002: Message edited by: warpd ]</p>
You sure of that? Or does that just include Bill Gates and Ted Turner? (:
What amazes me is how Europeans complain about America. Europe has done more to screw this world than anybody. The germans were bad in that they killed 6 million in one go (and a whole bunch of gypsies that no one cares about) but the history of Europe is one on genocide. Who killed the native people of the new world? The problems of Asia and Africa lay directly on the feet of England, France and Portugal. America is no saint, and generally we are a dumb nation, but in no way can Europe look down upon us.
And for more Apple stuff, a really dumb question. Does DDR ram in a graphics board help? Why? Why would'nt DDR ram in the X-serve help?
<strong>Because most Americans don't give a f*ck what happens outside of the USA (those othe 5.8 billion souls).
Just read their news papers/magazines to verify.</strong><hr></blockquote>
WORLD CUP BABY! When we oust Brazil for you, you can come back and apologize!
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
[Q]What worries me is the other thread about an Apple Camera maybe being released also.
Jobs won't put 2 very big things in one event
(aka G5(or very big powerMac upgrade) and a new device).
So I hope the camera is for later[/Q]<hr></blockquote>
That's a seriously disturbing thought. What business does Apple have in making a camera? There are many great companies (I doubt I need to name any) that have been making very high quality camera's for 50 years + that I would feel more comfortable buying a camera from.
This is the first time I've heard of this rumor, and I hope it's the ramblings of some idiot that you read, because I would think Apple would be better off using it's resources in other areas that would probably be more profitable to Apple. A (bonehead) move like this does not sound like smart business IMHO.
You sure of that? Or does that just include Bill Gates and Ted Turner? (:
<hr></blockquote>
Absolutely positive! Look into international aid statistics, both through non profits, the UN, and every other international aid channel, the US has eclipsed every other country for the past 20 years. Both in total $$, and as a percent of GDP. We are, and have been the most generous nation on the planet.
As for this moron, the typical blanket statement "Um, well the US shoots first and asks questions later" is the same crap that has been spouted for years to try to rationalize the pathetic inertia of European policies.
FACT- The US gives FAR more in international aid than any nation on earth
<hr></blockquote>
important point :
USA give very small international aid relative to their PIB.... OK the absolute value is superior ;-)
look at less rich countries like northern european country who concede more in relative figures !
There are enlightened Americans and enlightened Europeans, and stupid people on both sides of the Atlantic.
Back to the thread...
Shut up about the USA.
this is Future hardware, remember... you can shoot your mouths off in AppleOutsider.
<img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
LOL!! Very good!
<strong><a href="http://www.geek.com/procspec/apple/g5.htm"; target="_blank">this</a> doesn't bode well .. nothing we didn't know already, but when ChipGeek posts it, then we should get worried.
at least the bus speed is greatly improved.
pity bout the 85XX ..
c'est la vie
<img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>The 8500 was never going to be a desktop chip, it's a chip for the comm and embedded market. The G5 used in Apple's PowerMacs was always going to be the 7500. 74xx = G4, 75xx = G5. 85xx = next gen embedded.
<strong>Hey idiots.
Shut up about the USA.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Oopsie! Now guys, do what the Administrator is telling you to!
See, that's why it's great from a land so small noone gives a **** about! Slovenia is unlikely to be blamed for any mess, whereas the US is a great target to blame for everything...
<strong>So let me ask again. Does DDR ram add in a graphics chip? If so, what will DDR ram add to a set up like the X-serve and what could it mean for the new towers coming in July? If it will be just what Moki said and the "Stop gap" system of the X-serve.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I assume you are talking about the DDR on the motherboard? Most graphics boards nowadays use DDR for VRAM.
Yes, the extra bandwidth provided by DDR on the motherboard should aid the graphics system since with Quartz Extreme the graphics engine will be reading a lot of data from main memory in order to draw it on the display.
We'll just have to wait and see what July brings.