Apple's smart home platform may finally unite legion of isolated devices

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  • Reply 21 of 76
    pazuzupazuzu Posts: 1,728member
    slurpy wrote: »
    Not everyone is homeless, like you? People who make some money live in houses. Yeah, they still exist. Where the **** do you live that you havent seen a house? My city is 95% houses. 

    NYC- the only place one actually truly "lives".
  • Reply 22 of 76
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member
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    Originally Posted by pazuzu View Post

     
    NYC- the only place one actually truly "lives".


    You poor fool.

  • Reply 23 of 76
    pazuzupazuzu Posts: 1,728member
    mstone wrote: »
    You poor fool.

    That's spelled fewel imbecile.
  • Reply 24 of 76
    k2kwk2kw Posts: 2,077member
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    Originally Posted by island hermit View Post

     

     

    Sure there is an angle... Cook, Ive and a few of the other Apple Brothers like to drive Samsung nuts. A leak this close to the big event should have the Samsung hive buzzing. lol


    This reminds me so much of Microsoft announcing vaporware.     Maybe Apple should have spent some money and bought NEST.

  • Reply 25 of 76
    larry9larry9 Posts: 15member
    Wow so cool. I can turn on the lights from my armchair!! Really inventive and futuristic!!
  • Reply 26 of 76
    chris_cachris_ca Posts: 2,543member
    <div align="center"><img src=http://photos.appleinsidercdn.com/gallery/9353-885-140526-WeMo-l.png alt="" />
    <span class="minor2 small gray">Belkin's WeMo LED lighting.</span></div>
    Cool!
    I can use my iPhone to handily turn on all lights, inside and outside at the same time!
  • Reply 27 of 76
    taekattaekat Posts: 7member
    Crestron own's the home automation market and they have phenomenal gear. It is a crowded market and apple knows this fact. There is no way they are thinking about this in terms of hardware/software as they do with computers and phones. They will most likely create official partnerships and put their logo on some equipment. This is a mistake and I will live to see Apple realize it.
  • Reply 28 of 76
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by pazuzu View Post



    That's spelled fewel imbecile.

    Whatever. I lived there 10 years. A $59 bus ticket will get you  to where I am now, but I shouldn't really be telling anyone that. We already have too many losers here from out of state.

  • Reply 29 of 76
    kibitzerkibitzer Posts: 1,114member

    People who call this BS have no clue as to what's going on around them - here and now - today. One app not mentioned is Harmony, which I use on our iPads and iPhones in the house to control our entertainment center. Using Logitech's Harmony Ultimate hardware, we have complete control over our HDTV, audio receiver, Blu-ray, CD/SACD changer and Apple TV. Through the Apple TV, our household users can access not only all the online iTunes audio/video/streaming offerings, but also a total of 16,000 music tracks, 3,000 TV shows and dozens of movies currently stored on hard drives through any of our three Macs.

     

    And that's only regarding entertainment. So to ye of limited imaginations and little vision - mark the following paragraph from the article, and mark it well:

     

    "What Apple brings to the table is a massive installed user base in iOS device owners. Sheer numbers could behoove manufacturers to adopt Cupertino's new platform under a 'Made for iPod/iPhone/iPad' style license. Apple would then be in control of product certification, ensuring users a consistent and cohesive experience that heretofore has not existed in the smart home segment."

  • Reply 30 of 76
    kibitzerkibitzer Posts: 1,114member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by taekat View Post



    Crestron own's the home automation market and they have phenomenal gear. It is a crowded market and apple knows this fact. There is no way they are thinking about this in terms of hardware/software as they do with computers and phones. They will most likely create official partnerships and put their logo on some equipment. This is a mistake and I will live to see Apple realize it.

    Have you ever heard of market disruption? Apple is a past master at it. Look what happened to BlackBerry, Palm, Motorola Mobility and a host of other comm devices when iPhone burst on the scene. Look at what's happened to PC and notebook sales since the advent of the iPad. How about CD sales and the Sony Discman since iTunes and iPods disrupted their market? Crestron is privately owned, but if they were publicly traded, I would't be rushing out to buy any of their stock right now. Crestron management may well be experiencing one of those "Oh, sh*t!" moments.

  • Reply 31 of 76
    chris_cachris_ca Posts: 2,543member
    pazuzu wrote: »
    Who owns or lives in a house anymore?
    Really?
    In April 2014, there were 433,000 new houses sold and 4.35 million existing homes sold in the U.S.
    So, a LOT of people live in houses and at least that many are homeowners.
  • Reply 32 of 76

    I don't get all the negativity to this story. It is based on a rumour, but is fun speculation.

     

    If nothing else, I got a nice handy list of things already available in the market for a smart home in one single post.

  • Reply 33 of 76
    Those Hue bulbs are $60/apiece right now. The "Internet of Expensive Things" is going to grow very slowly.
  • Reply 34 of 76
    bestkeptsecretbestkeptsecret Posts: 4,270member

    So there are 3 major things that have been speculated upon:

     

    1. Health

    2. Home automation

    3. Payment Gateway

     

    I wonder what WWDC will truly bring us? 2nd June can't come fast enough!

  • Reply 35 of 76
    imatimat Posts: 211member
    There already is a system that interconnects various appliances with the BUS system at home. Among others, the best known is the KNX protocol

    It is a wired (LAN) standard that allows to control home appliances and compatible systems (light and so on).

    What I see is the following: an entrenched, open source (hence free), system among professionals (electricians, specialists) which is cumbersome, non transparent for the average user and, to a certain extent, legacy. With all the security issues involved.

    On the other hand Apple, which has a history in consumer friendly, smartly designed, software. If they go the "usual Apple route" they will align consumer devices manufacturers and start with these. Eventually also professionals will be brought on board.

    An example: if I design my home from scratch I will probably have an electrician on board. If I want to connect all devices: Music, lights, air conditioner, thermostat, appliances (fridge, tv, you name it) they all have to be able to talk to each other or at least share the same "pipe" (cable). Otherwise I'll have a cable mess.

    Right know, for instance, if you install a SONOS system in your home (wired one) you'll have to have dedicated wiring only for that system.
    Connecting all devices, in a NEW home, via Wireless puts a huge burden on that connection because everything communicates via WiFi with the resulting bandwidth problem and latency.

    Granted, the BUS system needs an overhaul. The instruction (for instance on/off) is sent along the LAN with the address of the specific switch (or set of switches) that it pertains. If a switch is "not concerned" it just passes the message on.
    What happens? If, before leaving a house, I press on the button "shut all lights off" it can take up to a minute for all lights to turn off. Same thing happens with "turn on". And this latency is very frustrating. And I'm talking only about lights. Should you add other appliances said times increase dramatically.

    Entering this market, in a serious and "non hobbystic way", marketing proclamations à là NEST a side, is harder than it seems.
    The "reward" would be enormous. As the strive for a smarter, more ecological and cheaper house is there. And people building from scratch can invest tens of thousands of dollars in such a system.


    If Apple does it step by step, then it will have to create a highly scalable, well interconnectable system. There are some smaller proprietary systems, such as Feller (www.feller.ch) or bTicino (www.bticino.it) or probably countless others. But they are there for smaller houses and smaller systems (and usually are derived from lights, not multimedia (music, video, internet).
    As soon as you have higher needs though, you have to use a standard BUS system (such as the aforementioned KNX).

    This market, which is expanding rapidly and is a mess of players with proprietary, non-interconnected systems, sure is interesting. Very interesting.
    But the right approach is of the highest importance.

    Is goes way beyond some smart bulbs and a little music in your sleeping room. And has huge potential for a vast array of players, with some pressing security issues. The more things one interconnects, the higher the security risk (or the control burden).

    (disclosure: I design houses and apartment with these systems. But I am not an electrical engineer myself)
  • Reply 36 of 76
    ericthehalfbeeericthehalfbee Posts: 4,487member
    So there are 3 major things that have been speculated upon:

    1. Health
    2. Home automation
    3. Payment Gateway

    I wonder what WWDC will truly bring us? 2nd June can't come fast enough!
    WWDC will bring the holy grail.
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    Widgets!
  • Reply 37 of 76
    taniwhataniwha Posts: 347member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Rogifan View Post



    Wait so Apple hasn't even announced anything yet and AI is already declaring Apple will turn the ""Internet of things" into a mainstream market"? image

    It's like every religion. Has all the answers to all the questions. By definition you fool :-)

  • Reply 38 of 76
    taniwhataniwha Posts: 347member
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by pazuzu View Post



    Who owns or lives in a house anymore?


    Really?

    In April 2014, there were 433,000 new houses sold and 4.35 million existing homes sold in the U.S.

    So, a LOT of people live in houses and at least that many are homeowners.

    So its a pretty tiny market by your numbers. Hardly worth talking about. And it's going to change the world ??? Dream on.

  • Reply 39 of 76
    taniwhataniwha Posts: 347member
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    Originally Posted by island hermit View Post

     

    You've still got a week, Samsung. You should be able to get something out by this Thursday!


    You forget ! Samsung makes the home appliances and already has a spectrum of home automation products, devices and APPs on the market. Apple will need to run to catch up .. but you can still pretend they invented it all if it fills a psychological need in you.

  • Reply 40 of 76
    andysolandysol Posts: 2,506member
    pazuzu wrote: »
    NYC- the only place one actually truly "lives".

    Since when are trailers considered houses?


    Pompous, arrogant, and smug- I knew there was a reason I liked you. ;)

    I thought you were being sarcastic, but you weren't, which is awesome that opinions like that exist. My last home was 4200 square feet on a third of an acre, with a pool, outdoor kitchen, the works- and I bought it foreclosed for a measly $242k back in 08/09. After selling in 12' for $411k, I've since downsized and bought again (3600 ft for $172k) hoping the housing market would slow within a couple years so I could buy bigger again- unfortunately (selfishly), it's still strong (my business in Wastewater is consistent so bad housing markets allow me to buy in it and sell when the market turns). Keep in mind, this isn't in the country, hundred year old dilapidated homes, or some rinky dink town- they are newer homes in Collin County, one of the wealthiest counties in the country and top 3 in Texas.
    I enjoy spending time with my family and friends at my home. What's your apartment, the size of my master bedroom and bath? What's it cost- $2k a month? Enjoy your closet.

    My point is- people want different things. I wouldn't trade locations with you. Not to mention that pesky state tax you have to pay... Sucker. :D


    Regardless of all that- I'm sure those with homes in Hawaii would beg to differ with either of us. 8-)
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