Longtime Apple PR head Katie Cotton officially retires

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  • Reply 101 of 146
    nolamacguynolamacguy Posts: 4,758member
    drblank wrote: »
    I'm wondering how many of these long timers that are retiring are related to the Beats buyout

    Omg are you f'ing serious.... Get over it. Please.
  • Reply 102 of 146
    nolamacguynolamacguy Posts: 4,758member
    drblank wrote: »

    Conspiracy theory?  Well, that's not what I'm hearing from my buddies that work at Apple.  The word I'm getting from sources indicate my theory is probably more accurate than yours. 

    HAHAHA.

    in other words, you're 16, have some apple genius high school mates, and don't know a thing. got it.
  • Reply 103 of 146
    flaneurflaneur Posts: 4,526member
    rogifan wrote: »
    Like I care about that. :lol: anyway Iovine has been pretty clear that they were the ones approaching Apple, not the other way around.

    Quire right, what was I thinking. You get paid no matter what we think of you.
  • Reply 104 of 146
    realisticrealistic Posts: 1,154member
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    ... every time I left a company to go back to college or to go to another company, etc.  I would sugar coat it to people that didn't need or want to know all of the reasons,...


    Based on all the negatives you see in everything and all your posts, which I now block,  I would imagine that when you left a company that many were just happy that you were leaving, regardless of the reason.

  • Reply 105 of 146
    drblank wrote: »
    And who are yours?  I just know that the Beats buyout was not widely accepted internally by ALL Apple employees.

    Not ALL of Apple's employees are privy to it's strategic planning and the reasons behind it's acquisitions.
    Of the 2% that are, I'm sure there is tremendous support.

    The recent retirements are not related to the beats acquisition.
    Apple is about to announce new products in new product categories completely unrelated to beats.
    This new product strategy is going to require a lot of work and it is better to have the new team in place for it's launch.

    Dr Dre has been Dr. Dre for over 20 years.
    No one is shocked that he calls his friends niggers.
    I'd be more shocked if he didn't.
    Apple PR doesn't need to answer for him.
  • Reply 106 of 146
    fracfrac Posts: 480member
    Interesting thread.
    I see in it, a case of barely_evolved_troll coming out fighting, using the very same words that cut him down to size with his early troll 101 efforts. Bruised and battered, loins girded, drblank resorts to [I]faux[/I] concerned negativity via conspiracy theories, merrily blanket bombing all and sundry along with logic, truth and respectful discourse.
    Still a douchebag though :D
  • Reply 107 of 146
    taniwhataniwha Posts: 347member
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    Name someone in PR that's honest. 


    The issue is not honesty.

     

    It's competence.


    In my view you have a problem with your ethical position. But tell me .. where are lies and doublespeak acceptable, and where are they not ? Do you really build the expectation that companies like Apple MUST cross the line and incorporate lies and deceit into the corporate mindset to succeed ? Or is it just the american view that's coming through ?

  • Reply 108 of 146
    anantksundaramanantksundaram Posts: 20,407member
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    Name someone in PR that's honest. 


    The issue is not honesty.

     

    It's competence.


    In my view you have a problem with your ethical position. 


     

    Read what I wrote, again, and try to understand it in context.

  • Reply 109 of 146
    rogifanrogifan Posts: 10,669member
    flaneur wrote: »
    Quire right, what was I thinking. You get paid no matter what we think of you.
    And you can't refute that it was Beats who pursued Apple, not the other way around. Iovine said it and neither Cook nor Cue refuted it.
  • Reply 110 of 146
    taniwhataniwha Posts: 347member
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    Name someone in PR that's honest. 


    The issue is not honesty.

     

    It's competence.


    In my view you have a problem with your ethical position. 


    In my view, you have a problem comprehending the English language.

     

    Read what I wrote, again, and try to understand it in context.


    Ah so .. another cop-out. I suppose I should have anticipated it from you. Answer the question.

  • Reply 111 of 146
    anantksundaramanantksundaram Posts: 20,407member
    taniwha wrote: »
    Ah so .. another cop-out. I suppose I should have anticipated it from you. Answer the question.

    Buzz off. (That's the polite version).
  • Reply 112 of 146
    kibitzerkibitzer Posts: 1,114member

    Amazing that someone like drblank - with almost 3,400 posts - managed to get himself banned because he has some sort of irrational bias against the occupation of public relations. PR is neither honest nor dishonest. It's a function, like accounting or marketing or manufacturing, and it can be practiced honestly or dishonestly. Having retired from a career in the business, I can say that honesty is the only logical approach. Dishonesty is eventually discovered and the consequences are almost always worse than telling the truth in the first place.

     

    The clients I used to have the most trouble with were those who thought that they could spin lies ... that some PR guru could wave a magic wand and - presto! - all the lies would be believed and the critics would vanish. That is a typical mindset among those who have no clue as to what PR is about. Sorry, folks; it doesn't work that way. People like they must be suffering the same sort of dementia as Donald Sterling.

     

    No company's communications are perfect, but it's pretty clear that Apple has achieved high standards over the years, leading to its strong reputation and admiration among consumers and the public. The stamp that Katie Cotton put on Apple's communications may never be fully understood or appreciated outside the company, but the results speak for themselves.

  • Reply 113 of 146
    flaneurflaneur Posts: 4,526member
    rogifan wrote: »
    And you can't refute that it was Beats who pursued Apple, not the other way around. Iovine said it and neither Cook nor Cue refuted it.

    Which equals "Beats suckered Apple into the deal."

    I see. Airtight case.
  • Reply 114 of 146
    island hermitisland hermit Posts: 6,217member
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    In my view you have a problem with your ethical position. But tell me .. where are lies and doublespeak acceptable, and where are they not ? Do you really build the expectation that companies like Apple MUST cross the line and incorporate lies and deceit into the corporate mindset to succeed ? Or is it just the american view that's coming through ?


     

    The American view?

  • Reply 115 of 146
    suddenly newtonsuddenly newton Posts: 13,819member
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    And Apple just bought Beats and she probably doesn't want to deal with the aftermath of it.   I wouldn't want to deal with the potential PR nightmare.  I would have left too, especially if i had her position and lots of money.



    What PR nightmare? Worse than backdating-options-gate? Worse than pancreatic-cancer-gate? Worse than hormone-imbalance-gate? You think buying-Beats-gate is worse? Why? You are defending your "probably" thesis with nothing more than handwaving in lieu of facts.

     

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    Maybe based the decisions of the CEO. He's out of his element as a CEO, he was better just dealing with internal operations, which is what he was good at, but as CEO, he's not always made great decisions. I don't she wants to do anything with Dre and is probably disgusted with what his music represents. I know others at Apple that aren't thrilled with Dre bring part of Apple. I wonder who they are going to get to replace her.

     

    There you go with the probably again. What proof do you have?

    Why would you "don't she wants to do anything with Dre"?  Do you know her that well? 

    And please tell us "what his music represents."  I want to hear you say it.

     

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    Prove me wrong.  go get a copy of his iTunes library.


     

    You haven't proven that you are right. Tell us what his music represents. I want to hear you say it.

     

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    I tell you what.  Why did Donald Rosenberg, the former Head Council of Apple that was only with them for 10 months leave to go to Qualcomm?  Do you know the truth behind that one?  I do and I can prove it.  PM me with your request and MAYBE I'll send you the link and information as to why he left.  What did the media say about that departure?  What did Apple say about it?


     

    First of all, we are not talking about Donald Rosenberg. We are talking about Katie. The reason one person leaves Apple is not necessarily related to why another leaves; so you would have to first prove that Donald Rosenberg's departure has any bearing on Katie's departure.

     

    Secondly, and this is why you're not getting any support here:

    1. you keep posting claims without evidence

    2. you tease that you know something (about a possibly unrelated case)

    3. you say you can prove what you know about that case

    4. you tease MAYBE you'll send a link to the evidence

     

    I'm not DM-ing you; if you've got a link, post it. The forum community has called you on your B.S. Your posting pattern suggests you have no proof about Katie's reasons, and you're furiously defending your personal conspiracy theories with logical fallacies and rhetorical devices.

     

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    I do have abilities to find things out that most people are oblivious to.   i don't necessarily look for it, but when I sense something's wrong, I can figure out what the BS is.  

     

    I don't LOOK for it initially. I just see things with clarity.  You just don't want to accept certain things.  That's living in denial.  Don't be in denial. 


     

    Your personal feelings of having "superior clarity" over "most people" are not evidence to back your theories about Katie's departure. The forum community requires evidence that is a little less subjective.

     

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    I'm not a racist, why are you constantly bringing that up.  

     

    go ahead and drive down to Compton and live there and see if you can fit in.  I'd be willing to wager that you wouldn't last more than a minute before you high tailed it out of there.  You would in fear for your life down there. You wouldn't fit in, or prove that you would.  Go ahead and live amongst the rapper community for a year and PROVE It to me.


     

    Buddy, this is all I hear when you say that..

     

  • Reply 116 of 146
    taniwhataniwha Posts: 347member
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    In my view you have a problem with your ethical position. But tell me .. where are lies and doublespeak acceptable, and where are they not ? Do you really build the expectation that companies like Apple MUST cross the line and incorporate lies and deceit into the corporate mindset to succeed ? Or is it just the american view that's coming through ?


     

    The American view?


    That it's ok to lie as a corporate spokeperson as long as you are "competent". That honesty is less important than being a good spin-doctor.

  • Reply 117 of 146
    taniwhataniwha Posts: 347member
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    Ah so .. another cop-out. I suppose I should have anticipated it from you. Answer the question.




    Buzz off. (That's the polite version).

    That's the best you can do ? smells like a loser.

  • Reply 118 of 146
    island hermitisland hermit Posts: 6,217member
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    That it's ok to lie as a corporate spokeperson as long as you are "competent". That honesty is less important than being a good spin-doctor.


     

    From news coming out of recent patent trials I have come to believe that other countries participate in this activity as much as Americans. I think it is pervasive throughout the world and is not particularly the view of any one country.

     

    That is, if you believe this ideology in the first place.

  • Reply 119 of 146
    island hermitisland hermit Posts: 6,217member
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    What PR nightmare? Worse than backdating-options-gate? Worse than pancreatic-cancer-gate? Worse than hormone-imbalance-gate? You think buying-Beats-gate is worse? Why? You are defending your "probably" thesis with nothing more than handwaving in lieu of facts.

     

     

    There you go with the probably again. What proof do you have?

    Why would you "don't she wants to do anything with Dre"?  Do you know her that well? 

    And please tell us "what his music represents."  I want to hear you say it.

     

     

    You haven't proven that you are right. Tell us what his music represents. I want to hear you say it.

     

     

    First of all, we are not talking about Donald Rosenberg. We are talking about Katie. The reason one person leaves Apple is not necessarily related to why another leaves; so you would have to first prove that Donald Rosenberg's departure has any bearing on Katie's departure.

     

    Secondly, and this is why you're not getting any support here:

    1. you keep posting claims without evidence

    2. you tease that you know something (about a possibly unrelated case)

    3. you say you can prove what you know about that case

    4. you tease MAYBE you'll send a link to the evidence

     

    I'm not DM-ing you; if you've got a link, post it. The forum community has called you on your B.S. Your posting pattern suggests you have no proof about Katie's reasons, and you're furiously defending your personal conspiracy theories with logical fallacies and rhetorical devices.

     

     

    Your personal feelings of having "superior clarity" over "most people" are not evidence to back your theories about Katie's departure. The forum community requires evidence that is a little less subjective.

     

     

    Buddy, this is all I hear when you say that..


     

    Uh... he's been banned. I think it's time to hang up the phone.

  • Reply 120 of 146
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    In my view you have a problem with your ethical position. But tell me .. where are lies and doublespeak acceptable, and where are they not ? Do you really build the expectation that companies like Apple MUST cross the line and incorporate lies and deceit into the corporate mindset to succeed ? Or is it just the american view that's coming through ?


    No he doesn't have a problem. As he suggested, you need to re-read his post, & comment/quote on it in context.

    He is clearly commenting on a possible reason for Katie (& others' retirements from Apple at this point in time). That reason (to paraphrase), is that Katie started with Apple when it was a MUCH smaller company. As it has grown (to be HUGE), it may have outgrown the competencies Katie has in her role. In other words, she may no longer have the skill -mix required to perform the role that Apple requires of her. Nothing wrong with that. It requires an astute person to self-evaluate & reach that conclusion, or if told by someone else, to actually hear & accept it.

    His comment has absolutely zero to do with lies & doublespeak.

    Of course, she may just be retiring because she has kids & wants to spend more time with them (& can afford to).

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