First look: Apple's new aesthetic for OS X Yosemite

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  • Reply 61 of 168
    panupanu Posts: 135member

    If hardware design were physics, Jony Ive would be Einstein. If UI design were opera, Jony Ive would be a lounge singer. 

  • Reply 62 of 168
    quadra 610quadra 610 Posts: 6,756member

    OS X 10.10 Yosemite Developer Preview System Requirements:


    • iMac (mid-2007 or newer)

    • MacBook Air (late 2008 or newer)

    • MacBook (Late 2008 Aluminum, or Early 2009 or newer)

    • Mac Mini (Early 2009 or newer)

    • MacBook Pro (Mid/Late 2007 or newer)

    • Mac Pro (Early 2008 or newer)

    • Xserve (Early 2009)





    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/ios-8-os-x-1010-yosemite-system-requirements-2014-6#ixzz33bZ64Miw

     

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    YES!!  Early 2008 MacBook Pro will still be going strong.     :smokey:

  • Reply 63 of 168
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    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post





    Amazing. One year they focus on the unpinning without much change to the GUI and people like you claim Apple hasn't done anything with Mac OS X, but then the next release when they do revamp its look and people like you then complain that Apple isn't updating anything else.



    I don't know what WWDC you were watching but I saw an amazing 2 hour presentation that devoted plenty of time to go over many Mac OS X changes, including increasing their already substantial lead in integrating the iPhone, iPod Touch, iPad and Mac into a more unified and seamless system. There is a long way to go (based on what science fiction tells me) but they are so far ahead of the competition that it's not even funny.

     

    Well, I hope you feel better now. You are clearly reacting emotionally to my posts, as you obviously haven't comprehended anything I said.

     

    And Mac users wonder why the unwashed masses think they are crazy zealots.

  • Reply 64 of 168
    slurpyslurpy Posts: 5,328member
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    Yes, priceless. I forgot how strong the kool-aide is in the forums on this site. I made a few tepid observations that were less than rabid Apple-patriotism, and shazaam, the religion police comes out in full force. Ad hominems are sure to follow.

     


     

    I asked you one fucking question- to back up your ridiculous post by naming ONE OS that is ahead of OSX in core technologies- and instead of answering that simple request, you decide to write a predictable spiel including "Koolaid" and fall back on the nauseating "religious" accusations that define the laziest and most useless of trolls. What the **** is religious about what I said? You odd make claims you refuse to backup - and when called out, you giddily take the opportunity to show what a troll you are. Religion? I guess the 1.2 million developers who choose to develop for Apple platforms also religious fanatics? **** off. 

  • Reply 65 of 168
    slurpyslurpy Posts: 5,328member
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    Originally Posted by Red Rogers View Post

     

     

    Well, I hope you feel better now. You are clearly reacting emotionally to my posts, as you obviously haven't comprehended anything I said.

     

    And Mac users wonder why the unwashed masses think they are crazy zealots.


     

    You're the only one that is coming off as a zealot in this thread- making baseless claims and then insulting anyone who questions them with accusations of fanaticism and religious zealotry. Apparently noone "comprehends" your posts, and you categorize any response as "emotion" even though I didn't detect a hint of that in his post. Sad that this is the reason you registered on this board. Enjoy your useless time here until you get banned. You registered here to  lie, mock, and attack- and therefore you're a disgusting human. 

  • Reply 66 of 168
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    Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer View Post

     

     

    Can't create your own intelligent assessment? People who rely on John to discuss the vast changes of OS X really strike me as inept with its technologies.


     

    Actually, I already have started forming my assessment - maybe you missed my previous posts. But no, I haven't written a 25-page analysis, and probably won't any time soon. Please post a link to your review when it's ready; I'm certain many of your loyal followers will want to read it, as you are clearly on par with recognised authorities (like John). Who knows, maybe AppleInsider or Ars or even MacWorld will offer to pay you for your insights.

  • Reply 67 of 168
    hypoluxahypoluxa Posts: 674member
    I would agree with that sentiment as well. Legible typography is a must in this digital format especially in UI design with menus, buttons etc...I am not a fan of the transparency in iOS7, so I turn it off for legibility, hopefully Apple will do the same with Yosemite and give us that option of 'no' transparency.
  • Reply 68 of 168
    hypoluxahypoluxa Posts: 674member
    hypoluxa wrote: »
    I would agree with that sentiment as well. Legible typography is a must in this digital format especially in UI design with menus, buttons etc...I am not a fan of the transparency in iOS7, so I turn it off for legibility, hopefully Apple will do the same with Yosemite and give us that option of 'no' transparency.
    I vehemently disagree with the choice of typography on these OS redesigns. This is something that Steve Jobs would NOT have done, but more importantly it's something that's not easy to read, which is why he would not have done it. Ive knows good graphics a mile off, but mistakes text for another graphical element without acknowledging the basic reality that people have to read the stuff.

    Lucida Grande was thought about, carefully. Probably the only case of type selection that is similarly high profile over the past decade is the new Federal Highway Administration font, which is similarly extremely legible, even if not necessarily the prettiest from a graphical standpoint, and because of that legibility it is very easy on the eyes. Helvetica Neue is a display font, not a text font -- it's meant for advertising and for graphical effect. It flunks in usability.

    I would agree with that sentiment as well. Legible typography is a must in this digital format especially in UI design with menus, buttons etc...I am not a fan of the transparency in iOS7, so I turn it off for legibility, hopefully Apple will do the same with Yosemite and give us that option of 'no' transparency.
  • Reply 69 of 168
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    You're the only one that is coming off as a zealot in this thread


     

    I don't know, you sound pretty self-righteous to me.

     

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    ... then insulting anyone who questions them with accusations of fanaticism and religious zealotry. 


     

    No, just one post so far. But you are definitely leading the way now....

     

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    Originally Posted by Slurpy View PostApparently noone "comprehends" your posts ...

     

    Actually, a few others have explicitly or implicitly agreed with me. Maybe you should go back and read the other posts in the thread.

     

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    ... you categorize any response as "emotion" even though I didn't detect a hint of that in his post.


     

    I'm fairly certain that you are getting emotional and all worked up.

     

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    Sad that this is the reason you registered on this board. 


     

    No, not true. But you're on a roll.

     

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    Enjoy your useless time here until you get banned.


     

    I personally think you might want to take a more sober look at your own comments.

     

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    You registered here to  lie, mock, and attack- and therefore you're a disgusting human. 


     

    No, I haven't. On a scale of 1-10 as far as Apple-bashing goes, I think my comments don't even register. But you are obviously very thin-skinned.

     

    As for whether my posts make me a disgusting human, well, I hope you get help. Soon. 

  • Reply 70 of 168
    frxntierfrxntier Posts: 97member
    hypoluxa wrote: »

    I would agree with that sentiment as well. Legible typography is a must in this digital format especially in UI design with menus, buttons etc...I am not a fan of the transparency in iOS7, so I turn it off for legibility, hopefully Apple will do the same with Yosemite and give us that option of 'no' transparency.
    Could I ask exactly which sentiment you are agreeing with?
  • Reply 71 of 168
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    red rogers wrote: »
    And Mac users wonder why the unwashed masses think they are crazy zealots.

    I'm glad that we can at least agree that the Android-using masses are definitely in need of some better personal hygiene.
  • Reply 72 of 168
    bao babusbao babus Posts: 20member
    One design mistake drags next mistakes...
    At least I could tell that I knew times when Apple software was really attractive. Pity these times were quite short.
  • Reply 73 of 168
    johndimjohndim Posts: 1member
    There is a thing that Johnny Ive and his team are getting totally wrong. After the iOS7 experience with all this flatness concept, all I have to say is that there was and still is a need for a clear separation between UI elements and the content. In iOS7 I am constantly wondering "is this text a button or part of the content?" and "is this a UI bar or part of this site" and so on. There is a reason why OS X had all this 3-dimensionality that is always helping the user have a sense of where he is and what is he doing. Aqua, as a graphic language, with all its refinements and corrections, was, and still is so successful in helping the user get the things done and finding his way easily.

    There is now a tendency to make things that used to be perfectly simple and functional more complicated. iTunes is a perfect example. I see totally functional elements to disappear (example: the icon bouncing in the dock when launching an app - it's called visual feedback! ) and totally useless eye-candy elements as sidebar translucency finding their way to the UI%u2026 Didn't we drop the translucent menu bar in Leopard for a reason? I believe that we don't need a UI that reflects mainly the love of its maker for typography and CMYK colors and so on. We need functionality and we had plenty of it!

    And there's one more thing: vivid and polarised colors, contrast, translucency, lots of plain white space, all of them add up to a visual fatigue, if you are spending ours working on the computer. And visual design has seen better days: ok, maybe the trash can is beautiful, but look at the folders design and color! The whole thing has to be more subtle%u2026 As it is, and as it is going to be, is just a show-off. I agree that Lion's Address book and iCal were ugly, but their "modernized" equivalents are harder in the eye, I would avoid working with colors and contrast that is invading in my eyes and not helping me just doing my job. I think Snow Leopard was an example of beauty, funcionality and balance that should be studied in depth.
  • Reply 74 of 168
    frxntierfrxntier Posts: 97member
    bao babus wrote: »
    One design mistake drags next mistakes...
    At least I could tell that I knew times when Apple software was really attractive. Pity these times were quite short.
    Which particular times do you mean?
  • Reply 75 of 168
    bao babusbao babus Posts: 20member
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    Originally Posted by frxntier View Post





    Which particular times do you mean?

    Basically from Snow Leopard and up to iOS 7 design was introduced.

    Now it all slowly turns in the direction, pointed by Windows 8 - more primitive and tasteless...

  • Reply 76 of 168
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    Wow.

     

    If you think the demise of the desktop PC is something that should never happen and needs to be prevented, you're lost in the 1980s or something.  I expect that 5-10 years from now it's very possible that most household will have no desktop PCs and no laptops and they will be more productive and connected and happy than they are now.  Technology advances and yesterday's keynote convinced me (and many others here) that Apple really gets it.  They introduced dozens of new strategies and technologies that are all forward looking.  To suggest that they have lost their vision or are hung up on UI eye candy today is pure ignorance.  It is a great time to be a developer and we will see some amazing stuff in the coming months as people get on board Apple's vision.


     

    The demise of the desktop PC, if it ever happens, will be no more preventable than extinction or natural selection. But I think nature (or the markets) will have the final say, not some pundit or self-proclaimed expert. For my (Mac) use cases, it isn't conceivable that iOS and related devices could even meet any of my current or near-term requirements. Although some users have settled for (and may be happy with) iPads or other tablets exclusively, they probably never needed a desktop (or notebook) computer in the first instance.

     

    As for Apple's broader vision, who is arguing with you? I think Apple has great vision. I just think they have neglected very important components of OS X for far too long, like the Finder, the file system, networking and security. Other OSs (Slurpy, are you paying attention?) have made better progress on file systems (FreeBSD, Solaris, Linux, and even Windows), while HFS has stagnated. As for the Finder, it's still the best, but that doesn't mean it hasn't passed its sell-by date. Many users and developers have been chanting FTFF for over a decade. I really believe that only Apple can replace the Finder with something better - I just would like them to do that before they waste any more time playing with flat icons or translucent windows (which some would affectionately call "eye candy"). In another five years, maybe J Ive will have retired, and Apple will change the whole aesthetic back again. <img class=" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" /> Security is still a concern, despite OS X's intrinsic advantages over Windows (which isn't saying much).

  • Reply 77 of 168
    bao babusbao babus Posts: 20member
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    Originally Posted by initiator View Post

     



    Could not agree more. He is an excellent product designer, but terrible at UI. I HATED iOS7, but Yosemite is beyond words. It is HORRIBLE. It looks amateurish and cartoonish. Unfortunately, Ive is in a position now that he can do anything he wants, and no one is going to stop him.


    Absolutely agree.

    Do they really believe new OS X design looks better?

  • Reply 78 of 168
    frxntierfrxntier Posts: 97member
    bao babus wrote: »
    Absolutely agree.
    Do they really believe new OS X design looks better?
    No. They really believe it looks worse. Which is why they spent millions of dollars developing it.

    Use your brain to collect logical thoughts before writing them here and making me feel sick.
  • Reply 79 of 168
    bao babusbao babus Posts: 20member
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    Originally Posted by frxntier View Post





    No. They really believe it looks worse. Which is why they spent millions of dollars developing it.



    Use your brain to collect logical thoughts before writing them here and making me feel sick.

    Well, they do their job - spend "millions of dollars" to make whatever they did.

    I make my job - just ignore their job if I don't like it.

    And please take care of yourself - Internet forums may affect your health if you easily feel sick when reading what you don't like...

  • Reply 80 of 168
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    bao babus wrote: »
    <span style="line-height:1.4em;">And please take care of yourself - Internet forums may affect your health if you easily feel sick when reading what you don't like...

    Says the guy who sounds like he was about to puke because he disagrees with the massive improvements over the skeumorphic designs of previous veraions of iOS and Mac OS X.
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