First look: Apple's new aesthetic for OS X Yosemite

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  • Reply 101 of 168
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    red rogers wrote: »
    How actually did you make an average of</span> <em style="line-height:1.4em;">542 posts</em> <span style="line-height:1.4em;">to one website</span> <em style="line-height:1.4em;">per day</em> <span style="line-height:1.4em;">in 31 months?</span>

    Being good at math certainly helps, but being intelligent, focused, and thinking ahead so I write this comment, including using a macro to separate your quote, all in a span of about 10 seconds whilst still doing other tasks.
    Yes, and your other comments were so insightful as well.

    I accept your apology.
  • Reply 102 of 168
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,399member
    Originally Posted by Red Rogers View Post

    I was responding to the personal attacks against me, which you are only interested in making.


     

    And then you go right ahead and spew one of your own. Why not just leave? That seems easier. You don’t get what you’re talking about, anyway.

  • Reply 103 of 168
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

     

     

    And then you go right ahead and spew one of your own. Why not just leave? That seems easier. You don’t get what you’re talking about, anyway.


     

    Well, I did stoop to your level once or twice. See other posts for more content, although that hasn't stopped 50% of the the other posters to this story like yourself with nothing more to say than useless attacks. 

  • Reply 104 of 168
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    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post





    Being good at math certainly helps, but being intelligent, focused, and thinking ahead so I write this comment, including using a macro to separate your quote, all in a span of about 10 seconds whilst still doing other tasks.

    I accept your apology.

     

    Being unemployed probably helps a bit as well...

  • Reply 105 of 168
    iaeeniaeen Posts: 588member
    red rogers wrote: »
    ad hominem. Third declension noun, accusative case, singular (number).

    I was responding to the personal attacks against me, which you are only interested in making.

    Mea culpa. I suck at spelling.

    That aside, I am in no way interested in personal attacks. Which is why, rather than making them, I have asked you to stop and answer the legitimate question.
  • Reply 106 of 168
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    Originally Posted by iaeen View Post





    Mea culpa. I suck at spelling.



    That aside, I am in no way interested in personal attacks. Which is why, rather than making them, I have asked you to stop and answer the legitimate question.

     

    Well, there were so many insults to wade through, I honestly don't recall anything of value. What question, exactly? And while you're at it, maybe you should address the issues I have highlighted more than once regarding the core components of OS X - like HFS, the Finder, security and networking, to name a few?

  • Reply 107 of 168
    iaeeniaeen Posts: 588member
    red rogers wrote: »
    Well, there were so many insults to wade through, I honestly don't recall anything of value. What question, exactly? And while you're at it, maybe you should address the issues I have highlighted more than once regarding the core components of OS X - like HFS, the Finder, security and networking, to name a few?

    The question was: if you feel OSX is doing a poor job at core OS tasks, could you point out an OS that is doing a better job? Or, failing that, what specifically needs to be improved?
  • Reply 108 of 168
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    red rogers wrote: »
    Well, there were so many insults to wade through,

    Then stop reading your comments.


    PS: You still haven't corrected your comment. I suppose my math comment wasn't obvious enough, which is my fault for assuming you're comprehension was higher when you couldn't even think about what you were writing even as you proceeded to add markup.
  • Reply 109 of 168
    iaeeniaeen Posts: 588member
    red rogers wrote: »
    The demise of the desktop PC, if it ever happens, will be no more preventable than extinction or natural selection. But I think nature (or the markets) will have the final say, not some pundit or self-proclaimed expert. For my (Mac) use cases, it isn't conceivable that iOS and related devices could even meet any of my current or near-term requirements. Although some users have settled for (and may be happy with) iPads or other tablets exclusively, they probably never needed a desktop (or notebook) computer in the first instance.

    Given that the revenue generated by Mac sales isn't even a drop in the ocean compared with iOS devices and further that many new Mac owners are buying them because they love their iOS devices, I don't think it's fair to claim that iOS like features are being forced on us by some self proclaimed expert. Rather it looks more like Apple is responding to the market. The fact that iOS can't do everything OSX can do is exactly why Apple, unlike Microsoft, has made a conscious decision to keep them separate.
  • Reply 110 of 168

    I thought highly of Sir Ive up until iOS7's interface. I still don't understand his rabidly anti-skeuomorphic take on design. I hate the childish colors and overly-simplistic icon designs. It's a visual dumbing down, not a helpful simplification. Ive doesn't appear to have any grasp of the concept that typography has to be readable—that's its purpose outside of display work—not just to be "pretty." OS X seems to be turning more and more toward show-offy eye candy. (Please explain to me how transparency of windows helps improve the user experience, increases one's ease of use of the OS or increases productivity.) IMHO, OS X is being infected by the poor interface concepts in iOS. It's becoming bland, despite the garish colors.

     

    Someone mentioned that inconsistencies in the OS X interface will be addressed in time by Apple. I would hope so. But I would point out a  longstanding interface inconsistency in OS X: why do icons appear in color pretty much everywhere except for Finder window sidebars? I've resorted to a third-party hack to restore those icons to color. I find the color element important visually when rapidly selecting an icon. The interface team doesn't even seem to recognize this glitch. Weird.

     

    Sir Ive would choke, but I'm at the point that I'd welcome being to skin the entire interface. I used to think that Sir would be a natural eventual successor to the helm of the Good Ship Apple, but now it looks to me like he's fallen into the design-for-design's sake school of thought. Can no one at Apple challenge and perhaps override his decisions? If not, it speaks to a culture of yes men inside and outside of the design team at Apple. And I would argue that that's not a good thing.

  • Reply 111 of 168
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    Originally Posted by iaeen View Post





    The question was: if you feel OSX is doing a poor job at core OS tasks, could you point out an OS that is doing a better job? Or, failing that, what specifically needs to be improved?

     

    You are misrepresenting and exaggerating what I have said ("you feel OSX is doing a poor job at core OS tasks"), but I'm happy to repeat what has been posted previously. Look at this post:

     

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Red Rogers View Post

     

     

    The demise of the desktop PC, if it ever happens, will be no more preventable than extinction or natural selection. But I think nature (or the markets) will have the final say, not some pundit or self-proclaimed expert. For my (Mac) use cases, it isn't conceivable that iOS and related devices could even meet any of my current or near-term requirements. Although some users have settled for (and may be happy with) iPads or other tablets exclusively, they probably never needed a desktop (or notebook) computer in the first instance.

     

    As for Apple's broader vision, who is arguing with you? I think Apple has great vision. I just think they have neglected very important components of OS X for far too long, like the Finder, the file system, networking and security. Other OSs (Slurpy, are you paying attention?) have made better progress on file systems (FreeBSD, Solaris, Linux, and even Windows), while HFS has stagnated. As for the Finder, it's still the best, but that doesn't mean it hasn't passed its sell-by date. Many users and developers have been chanting FTFF for over a decade. I really believe that only Apple can replace the Finder with something better - I just would like them to do that before they waste any more time playing with flat icons or translucent windows (which some would affectionately call "eye candy"). In another five years, maybe J Ive will have retired, and Apple will change the whole aesthetic back again. <img class=" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" /> Security is still a concern, despite OS X's intrinsic advantages over Windows (which isn't saying much). All these points are well-known and very reasonably articulated outside the Mac-zealot (sorry) universe.

     

    Now, was that really worth getting all worked up over? :rolleyes: 


     

    So, to answer your question:

     

    file systems: ZFS and forked variants are way better than HFS - see FreeBSD, Solaris; btrfs - Linux; ReFS - Windows Server - maybe desktop (soon).

     

    Finder: still the best for the masses, but it still leaves so much to be desired. See above. Not hard to find well-seasoned, respectable opinions on the Finder's shortcomings ....

     

    Networking:  in heterogenous environments, the Windows and Unix ecosystems are (far) better. No one takes OS X Server seriously anymore – even Apple – so the domain for this problem is considerably smaller in Mac-land.

     

    Security: see above. Generally, Mac OS X is far better for end users than most OSs; still, some Apple technologies like Safari have been vulnerable from time to time. Apple has also been somewhat lackadaisical at patching recent, high-profile vulnerabilities. See also comment related to Server above.

     

    Browsers: Safari has lagged Chrome and Firefox in features and security, arguably, and memory leaks have been a persistent problem. It has improved a lot since version 7, but it still has issues.

  • Reply 112 of 168
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    red rogers wrote: »
    So, to answer your question:

    file systems: ZFS and forked variants are way better than HFS - see FreeBSD, Solaris; btrfs - Linux; ReFS - Windows Server - maybe desktop (soon).

    Finder: still the best for the masses, but it still leaves so much to be desired. See above. Not hard to find well-seasoned, respectable opinions on the Finder's shortcomings ....

    Networking:  in heterogenous environments, the Windows and Unix ecosystems are (far) better. No one takes OS X Server seriously anymore – even Apple – so the domain for this problem is considerably smaller in Mac-land.

    Security: see above. Generally, Mac OS X is far better for end users than most OSs; still, some Apple technologies like Safari have been vulnerable from time to time. Apple has also been somewhat lackadaisical at patching recent, high-profile vulnerabilities. See also comment related to Server above.

    Browsers: Safari has lagged Chrome and Firefox in features and security, arguably, and memory leaks have been a persistent problem. It has improved a lot since version 7, but it still has issues.

    Wow! I haven't seen that much BS around here in a long time. An impressive load so you may want to rehydrate after that dump. You're one step from claiming that Apple still uses oldhat materials like metal which man has been working with for over 2,000 years, while their competitors are much more modern since they use the recent, 20th century invention of plastic. :rolleyes:
  • Reply 113 of 168
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    Originally Posted by iaeen View Post





    Given that the revenue generated by Mac sales isn't even a drop in the ocean compared with iOS devices and further that many new Mac owners are buying them because they love their iOS devices, I don't think it's fair to claim that iOS like features are being forced on us by some self proclaimed expert. Rather it looks more like Apple is responding to the market. The fact that iOS can't do everything OSX can do is exactly why Apple, unlike Microsoft, has made a conscious decision to keep them separate.

     

    When Windows was selling hand over fist and was considered invincible, did (does) that make it suck any less? 

     

    The article is about OS X. iOS is another topic altogether. 

     

    Not a (self-)proclaimed expert any more than you are, mate. I presented well-formed opinions, and was greeted by numerous attacks from the fanboi choir with absolutely no intelligent reasoning or response to the issues I have raised. Some things never change among the Apple faithful. However, my opinions are based not only on my own extensive, personal and business use, but also on supporting observations and opinions from other critical minds. If you visit(ed) other sites besides AppleInsider from time to time, you might actually find some interesting opinions counter to your own ....

  • Reply 114 of 168
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    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post





    Wow! I haven't seen that much BS around here in a long time. An impressive load so you may want to rehydrate after that dump. You're one step from claiming that Apple still uses oldham materials like metal which man has been working with for over 2,000 years, while their competitors are much more modern since they use the recent, 20th century invention of plastic. image

     

    Now I see how you racked up those 16,813 posts (over 500 per day on AppleInsider alone!) in a little over 2.5 years.

  • Reply 115 of 168
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    red rogers wrote: »
    ...the fanboi choir with absolutely no intelligent reasoning...

    You came attacking everyone and continued on up until your most current post and yet you claim it's everyone else's fault. Good one!
  • Reply 116 of 168
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    red rogers wrote: »
    Now I see how you racked up those 16,813 posts (over 500 per day on AppleInsider alone!) in a little over 2.5 years.

    So we know you're not good any reasoning, maths, or reading comprehension. Shameful.
  • Reply 117 of 168
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    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post





    So we know you're not good any reasoning, maths, or reading comprehension. Shameful.

     

    Maths ??? Must be a kiwi. So that explains it. 

  • Reply 118 of 168
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    red rogers wrote: »
    Maths ??? Must be a kiwi. So that explains it. 

    Once again proving you can't read, still haven't figured out your egregious maths error despite this being the 3rd time I've mentioned it, and oddly thinks I must be a New Zealander yet that sort of pigeonholing based on a limited and vastly incomplete set of data coupled with a lack of desire to do a modicum of research before commenting makes your comments in this thread perfectly clear.
  • Reply 119 of 168
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post





    Once again proving you can't read, still haven't figured out your egregious maths error despite this being the 3rd time I've mentioned it, and oddly thinks I must be a New Zealander yet that sort of pigeonholing based on a limited and vastly incomplete set of data coupled with a lack of desire to do a modicum of research before commenting makes your comments in this thread perfectly clear.

     

    You're spewing, again. As for my math, you have demonstrated such little concern for facts and substance, I did not think you would mind my slight exaggeration of your prolific accomplishments. Besides, you probably hit 500+ BS posts on a good day.

     

    edit:

     

    Also, congratulations on stringing together 72 words into one incomprehensible, run-on 'sentence.'

     

    Yep, you're a kiwi.

  • Reply 120 of 168
    iaeeniaeen Posts: 588member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Red Rogers View Post

     

     

    The article is about OS X. iOS is another topic altogether. 

     

    Not a (self-)proclaimed expert any more than you are, mate. I presented well-formed opinions, and was greeted by numerous attacks from the fanboi choir with absolutely no intelligent reasoning or response to the issues I have raised. Some things never change among the Apple faithful. However, my opinions are based not only on my own extensive, personal and business use, but also on supporting observations and opinions from other critical minds. If you visit(ed) other sites besides AppleInsider from time to time, you might actually find some interesting opinions counter to your own ....


    You complained that, in your opinion, OSX was being subsumed by iOS. I'm just saying that this process that you are lamenting might be due to the very same unpreventable market forces that you cite. With this in mind, I find it hard to agree with your assessment that Apple is losing focus. On the contrary, they are doing exactly what they need to do to survive.

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