If you're happy with and invested in the Apple ecosystem, there is no compelling reason to switch away. And I don't know many people who aren't very happy with the ecosystem.
I don't see the long term benefit of the pseudo 3d at all (I bet most people turned off the similar, more subtle feature on their iPhones)
It might steal some thunder from existing Android manufacturers
Plus, new IPhones and ios8 are around the corner, so the flames Amazon is fanning now will get severely doused in a few months. Despite whatever niceties the Fire has, there will be a lot more sniffing than biting....
So it watches and listens to everything at all times. It is tied to an online retailer who is known for shutting out brands and sellers, which likely leaves you with no alternative. No thanks. If Apple doesn't have a song I still have a way to buy and get it onto my phone. Will Amazons phone allow a book that is not being sold through Amazon to be on it?
And just not thrilled that it will be listening and looking at all times to make offers for you to buy stuff. I promise that is what it is about. Popups saying "I hear you are watching Family Guy, would you like to buy a box set?"
Orange county? doesn't Amazon have a software development wing located in Orange county California? which means you probably work there by the tone of your comments.
Danox, there are Orange Counties in several states, including Florida, New York, and Indiana. And any Micky-Mouse troll can claim to be from any one of them.
Bezos doesn't care if he sells 25 million phones this year. What he cares about is how many consumers entering his ecosystem end up leaving it. Because ultimately a consumer in Amazon's ecosystem translates directly into higher sales for Amazon.
I am saying they will be lucky to sell 1-2 million phones this year. I am amazed at the number of people that don't see most of Amazon's business is precariously perched on the edge next to billion dollar losses they can never recover from. They have made more profit from selling AMZN than every single other item they have ever sold. When the stock finally goes pssssss.... Amazon will loose its primary means of paying talent, buying companies and expanding. They will then have to use what little cash they have.
Danox, there are Orange Counties in several states, including Florida, New York, and Indiana. And any Micky-Mouse troll can claim to be from any one of them.
Do you always assume that everyone who disagrees with you, or with whom you disagree... is a Mickey Mouse troll lying about their location?
I'm really quite intrigued by this. It seems to implement, in a novel way, some technology that has been displayed in gimmicky ways previously. I'm yet to see the phone and use it, so can't actually say this isn't gimmicky. But it does seem quite innovative, and the Amazon Prime lock-in is brilliant - it's just a shame that I personally have a large dislike for Amazon. The major, major (and I think, crucial) is the UI - it looks just as ugly and difficult to use as most Android phones I've seen. If the UX is crappy, then they can throw all the features they like at it, but it won't gain traction.
I am saying they will be lucky to sell 1-2 million phones this year. I am amazed at the number of people that don't see most of Amazon's business is precariously perched on the edge next to billion dollar losses they can never recover from. They have made more profit from selling AMZN than every single other item they have ever sold. When the stock finally goes pssssss.... Amazon will loose its primary means of paying talent, buying companies and expanding. They will then have to use what little cash they have.
hmmm....AMZN 36B in Assets, 3B in LT debt. 10B in equity. 80B in sales a year. Not really precariously perched.
They run their business more like a Target than an Apple, which makes sense in a couple ways (they are a retailer, and no one is like Apple) In fact looking at their financials, they are pretty much just like Target, with less debt.
No one is screaming that Target is on the brink of never recovering, and they had a terrible 6 months.
Amazon has a lot more than marketing muscle, it has big systems behind the phone. Music, video, audible, and enough programmers to get the basic apps, and Amazon's big old cloud.
Apple has far more marketing muscle. They have some of the most talented marketing team and make some of the best adverts and know exactly how to get consumers interested in their products. I personally saw the first gen iPad mini advert then went and bought one; their adverts create an emotional attachment. They are far more capable than amazon, it's one reason the ipad is more successful than the kindle fire.
Yes it can make calls, but I think we are looking at it the wrong way if we think Apple, Microsoft and Google are this devices competition. It is a product catalog that is also a phone. That is also a remote. It makes consumption of Amazon products, digital or physical more convenient to consume than the shopping mall. The killer app is Amazon services.
Amazon now thinks that the smart phone is now just a commodity like mail order catalogs. Like the CD's that AOL kept sending you in the mail.
I think the real question is,
Can any major retailer ever be able to compete with Amazon?
Certainly not Sears, Macy’s or JCPenney. They are moving so fast and pulled ahead so far ahead of the retail competition that I think there is little hope for the old concept.of the major retailer.
Actually Amazon is the high tech version of the old mail order catalog that turned Sears, Roebuck & Company into the powerhouse that it was. They took that then innovative concept of the catalog that Sear popularized (and abandoned) and ran with it.
We will not be seeing any JCPenney or Sears branded phone any time soon.
That face tracking must be a huge deal for them. 4 cameras dedicated to tracking!? It'd better be good! Does the amazon version of Android allow general Android apps? It looks kinda different, doesn't it?
There is a lot to trash. It doesn't matter how many great features it has a premium priced smartphone in 2014 needs to have BT4.0/BLE. It's even more odd that they decided to include 802.11ac when I know BT4.0 is much more widely used and useful than 802.11ac today.
Might be overpriced for the market. Wondering how good performance is in the real world. Wondering what the impact of 3D files would be on your data plan. Dual-Side Gorilla Glass? Guessing Jeffie loves that old Apple design too much. Its very classy after all. Easier to hold with rubberized edges? Wondering how long a battery charge lasts when using the phone all day. Especially with all those gimmicky bells and whistles. Someone was questioning how secure the cameras would be against a mean hacker - valid point. Unintended groin shot? But with no independent eval, we're all just wondering if it'll survive the market. But Jeffie has big bucks. Let's wait till the techno peepers have their say.
You know, if they had have put just one more camera on this I would have been swayed...
I'll wait for the 4D model: The Amazon Retrenched Phone.
Is anybody aware that Amazon opened up their Australian storefront recently and begun encouraging Australian members to change their Amazon accounts to the Australian ones?
However, they forgot just one thing: you couldn't buy anything.
Amazin' Amazon.
Just amazin'.
I look forward to them applying this kind of foresight to the phone market.
Amazon is the only company in the US that everyone buys products from yet they still can't make a profit. Doing this strange and off vision hardware releases is why they have never been able to turn a profit.
I wonder what would happen if I walked by a porn shop with FireFly on...
There is a lot to trash. It doesn't matter how many great features it has a premium priced smartphone in 2014 needs to have BT4.0/BLE. It's even more odd that they decided to include 802.11ac when I know BT4.0 is much more widely used and useful than 802.11ac today.
How many people buying a phone even know what BLE is? I'll wager you it is under 1%. Not only is BT LE barely used by anything at the present time, almost NOBODY that would actually buy one of these things knows what it is, or will care.
Is a consumer buying this going to say "oh no, I cannot get advertisements from Starbucks when I walk by because there is no iBeacon support", or "oh no my fitbit cannot send me ultra low power notifications?" Hardly. The lack of LE support is something that will have almost NIL impact. And as for BT 4 - explain ONE reason the average consumer is going to even notice or care that it has BT3 vs 4?
How many people buying a phone even know what BLE is? I'll wager you it is under 1%. Not only is BT LE barely used by anything at the present time, almost NOBODY that would actually buy one of these things knows what it is, or will care.
Is a consumer buying this going to say "oh no, I cannot get advertisements from Starbucks when I walk by because there is no iBeacon support", or "oh no my fitbit cannot send me ultra low power notifications?" Hardly. The lack of LE support is something that will have almost NIL impact. And as for BT 4 - explain ONE reason the average consumer is going to even notice or care that it has BT3 vs 4?
1) By your logic not knowing the origin of the name Bluetooth means that the technology is not only worthless but also unused by anyone that doesn't know it's named after a 10th century Scandinavian king.
2) It's not about knowing what the initialism BLE stands for but rather having your BT4.0 capable devices work with it, like a huge number of fitness trackers, health monitors, and styluses, computer keyboards and mice, but more importantly, even if you have a device that will have back support for BT 2.1 it's important for the UX in terms of battery life that it will support 4.0.
Here it comes: 100's of comments about how this is crap and can't possibly be cool because Apple has already invented everything of merit in the known universe.
Two down, and many more to come.
You can't say it LOOKs like crap since to me it looks exactly like a frigging iPhone. Clearly, no one has had a single idea since Jonny Ive in 2006.
That won't stop people from saying it looks like crap though.
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If you're happy with and invested in the Apple ecosystem, there is no compelling reason to switch away. And I don't know many people who aren't very happy with the ecosystem.
I don't see the long term benefit of the pseudo 3d at all (I bet most people turned off the similar, more subtle feature on their iPhones)
It might steal some thunder from existing Android manufacturers
Plus, new IPhones and ios8 are around the corner, so the flames Amazon is fanning now will get severely doused in a few months. Despite whatever niceties the Fire has, there will be a lot more sniffing than biting....
Now with 6 cameras including infrared... so the Android hackers can watch you undress.
In glorious multi-angle or 3D!
So it watches and listens to everything at all times. It is tied to an online retailer who is known for shutting out brands and sellers, which likely leaves you with no alternative. No thanks. If Apple doesn't have a song I still have a way to buy and get it onto my phone. Will Amazons phone allow a book that is not being sold through Amazon to be on it?
And just not thrilled that it will be listening and looking at all times to make offers for you to buy stuff. I promise that is what it is about. Popups saying "I hear you are watching Family Guy, would you like to buy a box set?"
Orange county? doesn't Amazon have a software development wing located in Orange county California? which means you probably work there by the tone of your comments.
Danox, there are Orange Counties in several states, including Florida, New York, and Indiana. And any Micky-Mouse troll can claim to be from any one of them.
Bezos doesn't care if he sells 25 million phones this year. What he cares about is how many consumers entering his ecosystem end up leaving it. Because ultimately a consumer in Amazon's ecosystem translates directly into higher sales for Amazon.
I am saying they will be lucky to sell 1-2 million phones this year. I am amazed at the number of people that don't see most of Amazon's business is precariously perched on the edge next to billion dollar losses they can never recover from. They have made more profit from selling AMZN than every single other item they have ever sold. When the stock finally goes pssssss.... Amazon will loose its primary means of paying talent, buying companies and expanding. They will then have to use what little cash they have.
Danox, there are Orange Counties in several states, including Florida, New York, and Indiana. And any Micky-Mouse troll can claim to be from any one of them.
Do you always assume that everyone who disagrees with you, or with whom you disagree... is a Mickey Mouse troll lying about their location?
I'm really quite intrigued by this. It seems to implement, in a novel way, some technology that has been displayed in gimmicky ways previously. I'm yet to see the phone and use it, so can't actually say this isn't gimmicky. But it does seem quite innovative, and the Amazon Prime lock-in is brilliant - it's just a shame that I personally have a large dislike for Amazon. The major, major (and I think, crucial) is the UI - it looks just as ugly and difficult to use as most Android phones I've seen. If the UX is crappy, then they can throw all the features they like at it, but it won't gain traction.
I am saying they will be lucky to sell 1-2 million phones this year. I am amazed at the number of people that don't see most of Amazon's business is precariously perched on the edge next to billion dollar losses they can never recover from. They have made more profit from selling AMZN than every single other item they have ever sold. When the stock finally goes pssssss.... Amazon will loose its primary means of paying talent, buying companies and expanding. They will then have to use what little cash they have.
hmmm....AMZN 36B in Assets, 3B in LT debt. 10B in equity. 80B in sales a year. Not really precariously perched.
They run their business more like a Target than an Apple, which makes sense in a couple ways (they are a retailer, and no one is like Apple) In fact looking at their financials, they are pretty much just like Target, with less debt.
No one is screaming that Target is on the brink of never recovering, and they had a terrible 6 months.
Apple has far more marketing muscle. They have some of the most talented marketing team and make some of the best adverts and know exactly how to get consumers interested in their products. I personally saw the first gen iPad mini advert then went and bought one; their adverts create an emotional attachment. They are far more capable than amazon, it's one reason the ipad is more successful than the kindle fire.
WOW! Everyone is trashing this phone on Wired.
Yes it can make calls, but I think we are looking at it the wrong way if we think Apple, Microsoft and Google are this devices competition. It is a product catalog that is also a phone. That is also a remote. It makes consumption of Amazon products, digital or physical more convenient to consume than the shopping mall. The killer app is Amazon services.
Amazon now thinks that the smart phone is now just a commodity like mail order catalogs. Like the CD's that AOL kept sending you in the mail.
I think the real question is,
Can any major retailer ever be able to compete with Amazon?
Certainly not Sears, Macy’s or JCPenney. They are moving so fast and pulled ahead so far ahead of the retail competition that I think there is little hope for the old concept.of the major retailer.
Actually Amazon is the high tech version of the old mail order catalog that turned Sears, Roebuck & Company into the powerhouse that it was. They took that then innovative concept of the catalog that Sear popularized (and abandoned) and ran with it.
We will not be seeing any JCPenney or Sears branded phone any time soon.
There is a lot to trash. It doesn't matter how many great features it has a premium priced smartphone in 2014 needs to have BT4.0/BLE. It's even more odd that they decided to include 802.11ac when I know BT4.0 is much more widely used and useful than 802.11ac today.
I'll wait for the 4D model: The Amazon Retrenched Phone.
Is anybody aware that Amazon opened up their Australian storefront recently and begun encouraging Australian members to change their Amazon accounts to the Australian ones?
However, they forgot just one thing: you couldn't buy anything.
Amazin' Amazon.
Just amazin'.
I look forward to them applying this kind of foresight to the phone market.
Amazon is the only company in the US that everyone buys products from yet they still can't make a profit. Doing this strange and off vision hardware releases is why they have never been able to turn a profit.
I wonder what would happen if I walked by a porn shop with FireFly on...
There is a lot to trash. It doesn't matter how many great features it has a premium priced smartphone in 2014 needs to have BT4.0/BLE. It's even more odd that they decided to include 802.11ac when I know BT4.0 is much more widely used and useful than 802.11ac today.
How many people buying a phone even know what BLE is? I'll wager you it is under 1%. Not only is BT LE barely used by anything at the present time, almost NOBODY that would actually buy one of these things knows what it is, or will care.
Is a consumer buying this going to say "oh no, I cannot get advertisements from Starbucks when I walk by because there is no iBeacon support", or "oh no my fitbit cannot send me ultra low power notifications?" Hardly. The lack of LE support is something that will have almost NIL impact. And as for BT 4 - explain ONE reason the average consumer is going to even notice or care that it has BT3 vs 4?
1) By your logic not knowing the origin of the name Bluetooth means that the technology is not only worthless but also unused by anyone that doesn't know it's named after a 10th century Scandinavian king.
2) It's not about knowing what the initialism BLE stands for but rather having your BT4.0 capable devices work with it, like a huge number of fitness trackers, health monitors, and styluses, computer keyboards and mice, but more importantly, even if you have a device that will have back support for BT 2.1 it's important for the UX in terms of battery life that it will support 4.0.
Here it comes: 100's of comments about how this is crap and can't possibly be cool because Apple has already invented everything of merit in the known universe.
Two down, and many more to come.
You can't say it LOOKs like crap since to me it looks exactly like a frigging iPhone. Clearly, no one has had a single idea since Jonny Ive in 2006.
That won't stop people from saying it looks like crap though.