Comparing to Target is a good thing? Thanks for proving my point.
His point is sound, Amazon is not precariously perched because they do have plenty of liquid cash. It would take many excessive losses even before it became and issue and so far they are just about breaking even per quarter, give or take a few percent. More importantly is their business model is being obsolete and there isn't a competitor that will push them into oblivion. In a way you could say that Amazon is "fit" insofar that they seem to burn about the same calories.
That clinches it. I MUST work there. Because, gosh, nobody but Amazon employees live in Orange County CA, or even in the City of Irvine (population 223,779). Yes, of course - IF someone thinks this device that Amazon introduced has some interesting technology packed in it, and IF they think it is a well done offering with some great attention to detail and a commitment to quality, and IF they happen to live near an Amazon development lab... well then it follows that said person must be an employee of Amazon trolling on the internet in a desperate attempt to prevent the inevitable demise of both the phone and their employer. Yes, by jove you genii have got it. /s
Actually no, you haven't. You are just proving my point - you cannot be objective.
I don't work for Amazon.
So... you spend most of the day here commenting... Yet Amazon only released it today and yet you have all this apparent experience (based on your words, "great attention to detail", "commitment to quality".) with it... Makes one wonder if you are an Amazon paid poster! Or at maybe paid by a company that works for Amazon... Just say'n
After all, someone that dislikes Apple fanboys as much as you seem to spends a awful lot of time in the "den of the enemy".
So... you spend most of the day here commenting... Yet Amazon only released it today and yet you have all this apparent experience (based on your words, "great attention to detail", "commitment to quality".) with it... Makes one wonder if you are an Amazon paid poster! Or at maybe paid by a company that works for Amazon... Just say'n
After all, someone that dislikes Apple fanboys as much as you seem to spends a awful lot of time in the "den of the enemy".
Plus he has iPad, Android, Windows phone, Fire, Fire TV, Apple TV, Google TV, etc, etc. Only a developer would have all that stuff on hand to compare and evaluate.
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Bring it how so? Did Apple not "bring it" at WWDC? The only think I'd like to see in the "bring it" category is 32/64/128 GB storage options at current prices. I know that's a long shot and the best we'll probably get is a 128GB addition to the iPhone lineup.</div></div><p> </p>
Something tells me that ship set sail at WWDC. Apple's solution is low priced iCloud Drive storage, not a break on the price for internal storage. Not saying I agree, but I think that is their thinking. People need extra space mainly for their photos and videos and Apple has provided that at a nominal cost-in perpetuity and tied to your Apple ID not your phone. That's kinda genius from a business perspective.
So how does that woke when you don't have WiFi and don't want to eat up your data plan? Cloud for documents and photos, great. For video (and even music) I'm not sold yet.
Plus he has iPad, Android, Windows phone, Fire, Fire TV, Apple TV, Google TV, etc, etc. Only a developer would have all that stuff on hand to compare and evaluate.
DING DING DING DING - we have a winner.
Yes, I AM a developer, and I work with MANY platforms, including Amazon's. And iOS. And Windows Phone. Etc.
The stuff I say comes from the perspective of someone having used all of these platforms extensively, and again I will say - I don't think many posters here are at all objective.
I'm not sure I agree with you on the 'paucity of apps' front - Amazon has a robust App Store, with many of the best apps available across iTunes App Store, Google Play, and Amazon.
You must work for Amazon or something. You can't even download the GMAIL app from the Amazon store. Think about that for s sec. Some of the other extremely popular Android/iOS apps that are simply not available:
Maps
Voice
YouTube
Hangouts
Chrome
Timely
Sunrise
Keep
Adsense
Analytics
Translate
LINE
Facebook Messenger
Simple
Capital One
You were saying? Yeah, "robust" indeed. You might be a developer, but you certainly don't make statements that are very factual or reasonable. You also seem extremely immature, coming in here with the purpose of being enraged by the responses to this product.
Here it comes: 100's of comments about how this is crap and can't possibly be cool because Apple has already invented everything of merit in the known universe.
Two down, and many more to come.
You can't say it LOOKs like crap since to me it looks exactly like a frigging iPhone. Clearly, no one has had a single idea since Jonny Ive in 2006.
You, my friend, have no taste in design... a perfect customer for Samsung or other rounded rectangle devices. "Sure, it looks like it dropped out of a dog's butt; Ii think I'll buy it."
Yes, I AM a developer, and I work with MANY platforms, including Amazon's. And iOS. And Windows Phone. Etc.
The stuff I say comes from the perspective of someone having used all of these platforms extensively, and again I will say - I don't think many posters here are at all objective.
Sounds like you are spreading yourself thin.
You are the one who is not objective. You are all Amazon, all the time. You are not convincing anyone here. You are totally wasting your time. But you know that. You just need to keep piling on the BS because it is apparently what you are paid to do.
Very few developers, even iOS developers post here because they don't have the time. They are busy developing. You apparently have all the time in the world even though you supposedly develop for multiple platforms. Why are you even wasting your time here? You have so tuned everyone off with your Apple fan boy crap. Just give it a break.
Being objective doesn't mean sitting through hours of infomercials and giving them all the benefit of the doubt. It means being intelligent and discerning, so you can separate the wheat from the chaff without wasting all your time.
For the sake of argument, how many paid shills exactly have you encountered in your life and listened to?
Several. None. Listening has nothing to do with the argument at hand.
What criteria can you suggest for how to recognize one?
No, we're not going to teach you how to be better at your job.
Underneath your argument is the assumption that a position on the pro side cannot be valid... ...you assume that any argument on the plus side of the non-Apple offering must by definition be shilling.
Nothing whatsoever has been said at all as to this point. Do not create strawmen.
You guys just don't see it; there is very little objectivity here.
Okay. So leave if you don't like it. Sounds like it'd be pretty stupid to stick around somewhere so close-minded, huh?
WIll this be a success? I doubt it, but we'll see.
We will never know. This Fire phone like the Kindle readers, sales will never get reported. It will just be added into the Android category as further proof that Android is winning.
I had to chuckle at the "Dolby sound" bla bla bla... as if you were gonna listen to vinyl records on it. "Hey Joe, where do I stick in the 8-track on this thing??"
I do not see how this thing succeeds. How phones "look" really matter and the thing is physically ugly. If you are an Android fan - or at least open to it - their forked OS (based on Android 4.2.2, Jelly Bean) is clearly inferior to Kit Kat (which offers superior performance, battery life and better security), and Android 4.5 Lollipop is going to be introduced in 7 days. If you take away the gimmicks like the motion cameras and 3D display, which add no real value to the product, the specs are more comparable with the last generation flagship Android phones, not the latest models from HTC, LG, Samsung and even some Chinese phones like Huawei.
And then there is the price point: $649 or $199 with 2 year contract. The Android analysts say that the emphasis is shifting away from high end phones and their failed attempts to compete with the I-Phone and towards midrange models. Stock Android can now perform well on cheaper hardware, so the strategy is now to sell as many unlocked phones for $200-$300 to working class/middle class people who don't want to be tied to a carrier or data plan and will buy a new phone every year or so. Sell enough of those with a decent margin per phone and the Android manufacturers will finally start making money. With this move, Amazon is going against an Android business model that may actually work for someone who lacks Samsung's $14 billion marketing budget.
Finally, if the goal is to get more people to watch movies, read e-books and shop through Amazon - if it is a "consumption phone" like the Kindle Fire is a "consumption tablet" then at 4.7 inches the thing is too small. It should have been 5.3 - 5.7 inches. The reason why Amazon decided to make phones in the first place is because their tablet business has fallen off the map. So they should have responded with a legitimate phablet instead of a phone with a slightly bigger screen.
Seriously, Amazon should have just shrank their already 4G LTE capable Kindle Fire HD a little, sold it for $200 (possibly less since a 7 inch Fire HD can be had on Amazon for $140) and absolutely dominated the mid-range Android space. Then they would be competing with Moto X, LG Optimus, Sony Xperia instead of going with an expensive product that can't even compete with last year's HTC One, let alone any recent I-Phone. If their goal is to use phones to push Prime subscription and content, then they should have priced them to move as many as possible. For their sakes, releasing mid-range phones down the line had better be part of their strategy, and I mean soon ... in time for Christmas even. Hopefully this convoluted thing was merely their big media splash to generate buzz and a "Kindle Fire HD" type phone will shortly follow.
But then again, I doubt it. Remember their Fire TV? They have already missed their first promised OS update, which was supposed to take place in May, fix the security issues and include Amazon MP3 (now Prime Music) which it should have had when it was first shipped! If they can't handle the much less competitive and technical streaming box market, how are they going to compete in smartphones, where HTC and LG make really good products and still can't turn a profit?
It's a good effort, pushing things that should be there, and it's one of few phones to start at a 32 gb model, but it's sadly far behind entering the market and may even be a fail.
So untrue. Developers make products successful. tt92618 is excited about it. And what is tt92618? A developer developer developer!!
Most people won't want to be stuck in Amazon's limited world. The Phone Fire will not sell well--even worse than Kindle Fire about which we have no sales figures.
It's a good effort, pushing things that should be there, and it's one of few phones to start at a 32 gb model, but it's sadly far behind entering the market and may even be a fail.
It ain't how much RAM a device has that means a thing, it's how much is left over after the device is filled with OS. So, commenting on the total memory is stupid beyond belief.
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His point is sound, Amazon is not precariously perched because they do have plenty of liquid cash. It would take many excessive losses even before it became and issue and so far they are just about breaking even per quarter, give or take a few percent. More importantly is their business model is being obsolete and there isn't a competitor that will push them into oblivion. In a way you could say that Amazon is "fit" insofar that they seem to burn about the same calories.
That clinches it. I MUST work there. Because, gosh, nobody but Amazon employees live in Orange County CA, or even in the City of Irvine (population 223,779). Yes, of course - IF someone thinks this device that Amazon introduced has some interesting technology packed in it, and IF they think it is a well done offering with some great attention to detail and a commitment to quality, and IF they happen to live near an Amazon development lab... well then it follows that said person must be an employee of Amazon trolling on the internet in a desperate attempt to prevent the inevitable demise of both the phone and their employer. Yes, by jove you genii have got it. /s
Actually no, you haven't. You are just proving my point - you cannot be objective.
I don't work for Amazon.
So... you spend most of the day here commenting... Yet Amazon only released it today and yet you have all this apparent experience (based on your words, "great attention to detail", "commitment to quality".) with it... Makes one wonder if you are an Amazon paid poster! Or at maybe paid by a company that works for Amazon... Just say'n
After all, someone that dislikes Apple fanboys as much as you seem to spends a awful lot of time in the "den of the enemy".
No one believes anything you have written so far, why start now?
After all, someone that dislikes Apple fanboys as much as you seem to spends a awful lot of time in the "den of the enemy".
Plus he has iPad, Android, Windows phone, Fire, Fire TV, Apple TV, Google TV, etc, etc. Only a developer would have all that stuff on hand to compare and evaluate.
Plus he has iPad, Android, Windows phone, Fire, Fire TV, Apple TV, Google TV, etc, etc. Only a developer would have all that stuff on hand to compare and evaluate.
DING DING DING DING - we have a winner.
Yes, I AM a developer, and I work with MANY platforms, including Amazon's. And iOS. And Windows Phone. Etc.
The stuff I say comes from the perspective of someone having used all of these platforms extensively, and again I will say - I don't think many posters here are at all objective.
I'm not sure I agree with you on the 'paucity of apps' front - Amazon has a robust App Store, with many of the best apps available across iTunes App Store, Google Play, and Amazon.
You must work for Amazon or something. You can't even download the GMAIL app from the Amazon store. Think about that for s sec. Some of the other extremely popular Android/iOS apps that are simply not available:
You were saying? Yeah, "robust" indeed. You might be a developer, but you certainly don't make statements that are very factual or reasonable. You also seem extremely immature, coming in here with the purpose of being enraged by the responses to this product.
You, my friend, have no taste in design... a perfect customer for Samsung or other rounded rectangle devices. "Sure, it looks like it dropped out of a dog's butt; Ii think I'll buy it."
Yes, I AM a developer, and I work with MANY platforms, including Amazon's. And iOS. And Windows Phone. Etc.
The stuff I say comes from the perspective of someone having used all of these platforms extensively, and again I will say - I don't think many posters here are at all objective.
Sounds like you are spreading yourself thin.
You are the one who is not objective. You are all Amazon, all the time. You are not convincing anyone here. You are totally wasting your time. But you know that. You just need to keep piling on the BS because it is apparently what you are paid to do.
Very few developers, even iOS developers post here because they don't have the time. They are busy developing. You apparently have all the time in the world even though you supposedly develop for multiple platforms. Why are you even wasting your time here? You have so tuned everyone off with your Apple fan boy crap. Just give it a break.
Being objective doesn't mean sitting through hours of infomercials and giving them all the benefit of the doubt. It means being intelligent and discerning, so you can separate the wheat from the chaff without wasting all your time.
Hey, I think he learned something.
Several. None. Listening has nothing to do with the argument at hand.
No, we're not going to teach you how to be better at your job.
Nothing whatsoever has been said at all as to this point. Do not create strawmen.
You guys just don't see it; there is very little objectivity here.
Okay. So leave if you don't like it. Sounds like it'd be pretty stupid to stick around somewhere so close-minded, huh?
We will never know. This Fire phone like the Kindle readers, sales will never get reported. It will just be added into the Android category as further proof that Android is winning.
I had to chuckle at the "Dolby sound" bla bla bla... as if you were gonna listen to vinyl records on it. "Hey Joe, where do I stick in the 8-track on this thing??"
I do not see how this thing succeeds. How phones "look" really matter and the thing is physically ugly. If you are an Android fan - or at least open to it - their forked OS (based on Android 4.2.2, Jelly Bean) is clearly inferior to Kit Kat (which offers superior performance, battery life and better security), and Android 4.5 Lollipop is going to be introduced in 7 days. If you take away the gimmicks like the motion cameras and 3D display, which add no real value to the product, the specs are more comparable with the last generation flagship Android phones, not the latest models from HTC, LG, Samsung and even some Chinese phones like Huawei.
And then there is the price point: $649 or $199 with 2 year contract. The Android analysts say that the emphasis is shifting away from high end phones and their failed attempts to compete with the I-Phone and towards midrange models. Stock Android can now perform well on cheaper hardware, so the strategy is now to sell as many unlocked phones for $200-$300 to working class/middle class people who don't want to be tied to a carrier or data plan and will buy a new phone every year or so. Sell enough of those with a decent margin per phone and the Android manufacturers will finally start making money. With this move, Amazon is going against an Android business model that may actually work for someone who lacks Samsung's $14 billion marketing budget.
Finally, if the goal is to get more people to watch movies, read e-books and shop through Amazon - if it is a "consumption phone" like the Kindle Fire is a "consumption tablet" then at 4.7 inches the thing is too small. It should have been 5.3 - 5.7 inches. The reason why Amazon decided to make phones in the first place is because their tablet business has fallen off the map. So they should have responded with a legitimate phablet instead of a phone with a slightly bigger screen.
Seriously, Amazon should have just shrank their already 4G LTE capable Kindle Fire HD a little, sold it for $200 (possibly less since a 7 inch Fire HD can be had on Amazon for $140) and absolutely dominated the mid-range Android space. Then they would be competing with Moto X, LG Optimus, Sony Xperia instead of going with an expensive product that can't even compete with last year's HTC One, let alone any recent I-Phone. If their goal is to use phones to push Prime subscription and content, then they should have priced them to move as many as possible. For their sakes, releasing mid-range phones down the line had better be part of their strategy, and I mean soon ... in time for Christmas even. Hopefully this convoluted thing was merely their big media splash to generate buzz and a "Kindle Fire HD" type phone will shortly follow.
But then again, I doubt it. Remember their Fire TV? They have already missed their first promised OS update, which was supposed to take place in May, fix the security issues and include Amazon MP3 (now Prime Music) which it should have had when it was first shipped! If they can't handle the much less competitive and technical streaming box market, how are they going to compete in smartphones, where HTC and LG make really good products and still can't turn a profit?
Steve Jobs would never have...
Amazon's only problems with this phone would be A) does it work and
Apparently it doesn't work as a phone or Bezos would have demonstrated calling. Either that or he has no friends. Maybe both!
So untrue. Developers make products successful. tt92618 is excited about it. And what is tt92618? A developer developer developer!!
Most people won't want to be stuck in Amazon's limited world. The Phone Fire will not sell well--even worse than Kindle Fire about which we have no sales figures.
It ain't how much RAM a device has that means a thing, it's how much is left over after the device is filled with OS. So, commenting on the total memory is stupid beyond belief.