So I guess the A5 chip for the years 2011, 2012, and 2013 doesn't apply
You're really going to mention an Apple TV 3 revision and an ipad 2 revision when an ipad 3 came out? You also realize that when there was the 2013 revision of the same ATV3 ,the A6 was already 6 months old.
You also realize that your chart isn't even correct- right? It's simply mentioning when THAT chip was created, and what products eventually used that chip. Example- the A7 says "sept 2013" for both iPhone 5s and iPad mini. But the mini wasn't announced until late October. And, really, every other product is almost identically incorrect in terms of dates. Just because the product is next to the date doesn't mean that's when the product came out.
So your whole theory is incorrect. When the A7 was released, they released the iPhone 5S and only the iPhone 5S. Not the "entire product line". It was in one product. One. Just like the A8 will be- just in the iPhone 6. Until a month later when the iPads come out. Then those will get the A8. Dense.
The bottom line is this. You are saying the iPhone 6 won't get an A8 but will get a A7 instead.
And that, alone, makes you sound like a total fool.
You're really going to mention an Apple TV 3 revision and an ipad 2 revision when an ipad 3 came out? You also realize that when there was the 2013 revision of the same ATV3 ,the A6 was already 6 months old.
You also realize that your chart isn't even correct- right? It's simply mentioning when THAT chip was created, and what products eventually used that chip. Example- the A7 says "sept 2013" for both iPhone 5s and iPad mini. But the mini wasn't announced until late October. And, really, every other product is almost identically incorrect in terms of dates. Just because the product is next to the date doesn't mean that's when the product came out.
So your whole theory is incorrect. When the A7 was released, they released the iPhone 5S and only the iPhone 5S. Not the "entire product line". It was in one product. One. Just like the A8 will be- just in the iPhone 6. Until a month later when the iPads come out. Then those will get the A8. Dense.
The bottom line is this. You are saying the iPhone 6 won't get an A8 but will get a A7 instead.
And that, alone, makes you sound like a total fool.
The Apple "A" series is a family of "Systems on Chip" (SoC) used in the iPhone, iPad, iPod, and Apple TV. They integrate one or moreARM-based processing cores (CPU), a graphics processing unit (GPU), cache memory and other electronics necessary to provide mobile computing functions within a single physical package. They are designed by Apple, and manufactured by contract manufacturers such asSamsung. The latest A7 SoC used in the iPhone 5S uses a 28 nm process with a dual-core CPU running at 1.3 GHz and quad-core GPU, while the A4 SoC in the first iPad used a die manufactured on a 45 nm process with a single-core CPU running at up to 1 GHz.
The Apple A5 is a system on a chip (SoC) designed by Apple and manufactured by Samsung[26] that replaced the A4. The chip commercially debuted with the release of Apple'siPad 2tablet in March 2011,[27] followed by its release in the iPhone 4Ssmartphone later that year. Apple claims that compared with its predecessor, the A4, the A5 CPU "can do twice the work" and the GPU has "up to nine times the graphics performance".[28]
The A5 contains a dual-core ARM Cortex-A9 CPU[29] with ARM's advanced SIMD extension, marketed as NEON, and a dual core PowerVR SGX543MP2 GPU. This GPU can push between 70 and 80 million polygons/second and has a pixel fill rate of 2 billion pixels/second. Apple lists the A5 to be clocked at 1 GHz on the iPad 2's technical specifications page,[30] though it can dynamically adjust its frequency to save battery life.[29][31] The clock speed of the unit used in the iPhone 4S is 800 MHz. Like the A4, the A5 process size is 45 nm.[32]
An updated 32 nm version of the A5 processor was used in the third generation Apple TV, the iPad Mini, and the new version of iPad 2 (version iPad2,4).[33] The chip in the Apple TV has one core disabled.[34][35] The markings of the square package indicates that it's named APL2498, and in software, the chip is called S5L8942. The 32 nm variant of the A5 provides around 15% better battery life during web browsing, 30% better when playing 3D games and approximately 20% better battery life during video playback.[36]
In March 2013, Apple released an updated version of the third generation Apple TV (AppleTV3,2) containing a smaller, single-core version of the A5 processor. Unlike the other A5 variants, this version of the A5 is not a package-on-package (PoP), having no stacked RAM. The chip is very small, just 6.1×6.2 mm, but as the decrease in size is not due to a decrease in feature size (it is still on a 32 nm fabrication process), this indicates that this A5 revision is of a new design.[37] Markings tell that it's named APL7498, and in software, the chip is called S5L8947.[38][39]
The Apple A7 is a package on package (PoP) 64-bit system-on-a-chip (SoC) designed by Apple. Its first appearance was in the iPhone 5S, which was introduced on September 10, 2013. Apple states that it is up to twice as fast and has up to twice the graphics power compared to its predecessor the Apple A6.[55]
The A7 features an Apple-designed 1.3[56]–1.4[57] GHz 64-bit[58]ARMv8-A[59][60] dual-core CPU,[56] called Cyclone,[59] and an integrated PowerVR G6430 GPU in a four cluster configuration.[61] The ARMv8-A architecture doubles the number of registers of the A7 compared to the A6.[62] It now has 31 general purpose registers that are each 64-bits wide and 32 floating-point/NEON registers that are each 128-bits wide.[58] The A7 is manufactured by Samsung on a high-?metal gate (HKMG) 28 nm process[63] and the chip includes over 1 billion transistors on a die 102 mm2 in size.[56]
The bottom line is this. You are saying the iPhone 6 won't get an A8 but will get a A7 instead.
And that, alone, makes you sound like a total fool.
Interesting analysis, that you actually believe that Apple would introduce a next generation chip that doesn't yet exist, in a phone model that will not be an evolution of the iPhone 5S, but simply a larger screened variation of it - in other words a 4.7" and 5.5" iPhone that uses the same technology as the iPhone 5S - an A7 chip with Touch ID.
Notice that the A7 chip already powers a 7.9" and 9.7" screen in the iPad mini and the iPad Air...
WHY WOULD APPLE THEN NEED AN A8 CHIP TO POWER A 4.7" AND 5.5" SCREEN?
Apple is not producing an iPhone with a next generation chip. Apple is simply producing a larger screened iPhone in its model lineup that will be powered by the same A7 chip and Touch ID in the iPhone 5s; and Apple will refresh the 64 bit iPads with Touch ID.
When Apple introduces the larger screened iPhone's, Apple's iPhone and iPad line will be:
- iPhone 4s with the A5 chip
- iPhone 5c with the A6 chip
- iPhone 5s with the A7 chip and Touch ID
- iPhone (6) 4.7" with the A7 chip and Touch ID
- iPhone (6s) 5.5" with the A7 chip and Touch ID
- iPad mini with the A5 chip
- iPad mini Retina with the A7 (or A8) chip and Touch ID
- iPad with the A6x chip
- iPad Air with the A7 (or A8) chip and Touch ID
When Apple introduces the 4.7" iPhone 6 and the 5.5" iPhone 6s, customers will have the choice of three different sized flagship phones that will all have the same specifications. The differentiator between the phones will only be the screen size. The iPads with the A7 chip will get the Touch ID technology; which was purposely excluded from the 64 bit iPad line to make Touch ID exclusive to the iPhone 5S, so that the 64 bit iPad with Touch ID will become the "new" iPad as next years model.
This is what Apple will introduce in 2014.
If Apple does introduce an A8 chip this year, it will be in the 64 bit iPads with Touch ID, not in an iPhone.
I'm not going to quote your entire post because it's obnoxiously long.
Can the A7 power a 4.7 or 5.5 screen? Of course.
The A5 powered an iPad mini, ipad 2 and Retina 3 yet they made an A6 a year later The A6 powered the ipad 4 and yet they made an A7 a year later The A7 powers the iPad Air and mini retina- but this is the year they don't update?
Where is the precedent for your claim?
You're under the assumption that all that will change will be the screen size. That isn't the case- never has been.
If the A8 is significantly more power efficient that it can extend the battery life of the iPhone 6 an additional 1-2 hours- why wouldn't they put it in the iPhone?
We'll clearly have to agree to disagree. Cya in September.
I'm not going to quote your entire post because it's obnoxiously long.
Can the A7 power a 4.7 or 5.5 screen? Of course.
The A5 powered an iPad mini, ipad 2 and Retina 3 yet they made an A6 a year later
The A6 powered the ipad 4 and yet they made an A7 a year later
The A7 powers the iPad Air and mini retina- but this is the year they don't update?
Where is the precedent for your claim?
You're under the assumption that all that will change will be the screen size. That isn't the case- never has been.
If the A8 is significantly more power efficient that it can extend the battery life of the iPhone 6 an additional 1-2 hours- why wouldn't they put it in the iPhone?
We'll clearly have to agree to disagree. Cya in September.
You perceive that I lack an understanding of how Apple's business operates.
Apple is a focused company with a fully realized business model that shows a clear pattern of how it incrementally refreshes it products, and resells them to an established worldwide marketplace. Apple is always working on refining and advancing its technology, and never introduces everything all at once, but gradually, so that what it introduces is newer and better to its established customer base, which gives them an incentive to buy the newest thing from Apple. Sometimes, product refreshes take years because the technology hasn't caught up with the capability that Apple wants its products to have. And in some cases, product refreshes are incremental, to give customers a reason to buy a different version of the same thing.
When Apple introduced the iPhone 5, it had the A6 chip and the metal case. The iPad mini had the A5 chip that was in the iPad 2, and had the same resolution screen of the iPad 2. Why didn't Apple give its customers an iPad mini with the A6x chip and a Retina display? Because Apple needed a smaller lower cost iPad to compete with smaller/cheaper Android tablets, that was also lower priced and less powered than its top of the line iPad Retina with the A6x chip.
And, Apple wanted the iPad mini Retina to be next years model, to give customers a reason to buy more iPad mini's.
The 64 bit A7 chip and the Touch ID was Apple's next generation technology that Apple introduced in the iPhone 5s the following year. When Apple introduces the next generation iPhone, the previous generation always become the mid-tier phone. So how could Apple externally differentiate the iPhone 5s from the iPhone 5, to distinguish two premium phones from each other. The metal case of the iPhone 5 was Apple's top of the line design, if Apple offered the iPhone 5s with the same metal case of the iPhone 5, and offered both iPhone models with the same metal case, there would be no physical distinction between the top-tier phone and the mid-tier phone.
So Apple went back to the design of the Apple 3GS, and placed the iPhone 5 in a plastic body; and renamed the iPhone 5, the iPhone 5c.
This allowed Apple to recycle the metal case of the iPhone 5 into a new product, the iPhone 5s; with two new metallic shades, a 64 bit chip, and a biometric sensor called Touch ID. Apple also incorporated the 64 bit chip into the iPad line, the iPad mini Retina, and Apple's next generation iPad, the iPad Air, which used an enlarged version of the iPad mini's design, and was made thinner and lighter.
Instead of continuing the pattern of distinguishing products by having a more powerful chip in the top-tier option, Apple chose to make both the smaller iPad mini Retina, and the iPad Air Retina to have the same capacity; so that both tablets were equal in power, but only different in screen size.
Which was what Apple did with the Macbook Air line; when it offered the 11" and the 13" models with the same capacity; where the only difference was screen size.
This pattern shows how Apple has evolved, and the direction that Apple is going in its iPhone line.
Apple's enlargement of the iPhone screen from the iPhone 4 to the iPhone 4s, as well as Apple's development of the iPad mini in response to the demand for smaller Android tablets in the marketplace, is Apple's acknowledgment that the market wants larger screened phones and smaller screened tablets. And now, Apple will introduce two larger iPhones. The 4.7" iPhone 6, and the 5.5" iPhone 6s.
Seeing that Apple has two different sized Macbook Air's with the same capacity, and two different sized iPad's with the same capacity; Apple will continue this pattern and create two new iPhones with the same capacity as its top-tier iPhone, so that customers will have the option of choosing a top-tier iPhone in either small, medium, or large.
Which means that when Apple introduces the iPhone 6 line, it will have the same capacity as its current top of the line phone, the iPhone 5s.
When Touch ID was introduced in 2013, it required the A7 chip. So why didn't the 2013 iPad's with the same A7 chip get Touch ID? Because the two 64 bit iPad's with Touch ID would be this years model.
So Apple will introduce two new iPhones and two new iPads in 2014. When Apple introduces the larger screened iPhone's, Apple's iPhone and iPad line will be:
- iPhone 4s with the A5 chip
- iPhone 5c with the A6 chip
- iPhone 5s with the A7 chip and Touch ID
- iPhone (6) 4.7" with the A7 chip and Touch ID
- iPhone (6s) 5.5" with the A7 chip and Touch ID
- iPad mini with the A5 chip
- iPad mini Retina with the A7 (or A8) chip and Touch ID
I'm surprised that no one's considered that by tweaking its software, Apple could simply provide some additional settings allowing users to customize the location of buttons or menus that favor one side of the phone or another (i.e. for left handed or right handed use). Even in his original presentation of the 1st iPhone, Steve Jobs remarked that with software, we can provide whatever buttons we want for whatever application we need. App developers would then be able to provide this capability within their own apps. I'm just thinking out of the box here, but it could be a possible solution.
[B]i swear to god it better be a 4" model with all the new specs. 4.7" is suitable for ppl who may want a slightly larger phone. 4" for me is the way go from here on out. I just want to see the technology UPGRADED!!!! NOT THE SIZE OF THE PHONE!!!! Transparency, longer battery life, A BETTER CAMERA!!! Come on APPLE!!! Make me wanna NOT look for another device. Cause if i gota stay with the 5s i will. Seriously its not worth a 4.7" and definitelt nota 5.5" .. The 4."7 can and will fit in a pocket, BUT THATS NOT THE POINT PPL!!! Larger is NOT BETTER!!! TECHNOLOGY/HARDWARE UPGRADES ARE!!!! [B]
Rather than confirming one-handed use, this video demonstrates the opposite. While it shows that the thumb can reach from side to side of the screen, it cannot reach the top, where an entire row of app icons would be unreachable.
According to some here, your belief in this makes you a complete bumbling imbecile, and you should be ridiculed for it.
Originally Posted by TechProd1gy
...4.7” is fine to fit in pocket...
I don’t think so, Tim.
Originally Posted by StanTheMan
So let's don't exaggerate the difference. It will be modest.
Unless, of course, you read the article, look at the pictures, or watch the video.
Originally Posted by Jume
Why does the home button still need to be so big?
TouchID. Also, because why does it need to be smaller?
Originally Posted by blackbook
Apple will probably use this angle to justify the larger screen. I think we'll see redesigned wireless EarPods this year bundled with the new bigger screen phones.
Total nonsense.
Originally Posted by Lorin Schultz
I get that and don't necessarily disagree, but $100 per bump? Holy Buttrape, Batman!
Surveys show that people find this pricing scheme to be very affordable.
Originally Posted by InteliusQ
Apple most likely will come out with a 64 bit 4.7" and 5.5" phone, while retaining the same technology in the smaller 4" iPhone 5S, and make the iPhone 5C the mid range phone, the iPhone 4S the lower end phone, and phase out the iPhone 4.
Okay, it’s not last year. It’s this year. The iPhone 4 is already gone. The 4S is leaving this year.
...while retaining... ...the original iPad Retina... ...while they phased out the iPad 2.
EXCEPT THEY NEVER DID THIS. The 3rd gen iPad was discontinued immediately upon release of the 4th gen, with the 2nd gen iPad kept around to this day.
What all of this means is that with the introduction of larger screened iPhones, Apple is going after the market that wants a screen larger than their current iPhone, while not abandoning its customers who prefer a smaller screened phone.
Which would be nice to say if you knew anything about what you were saying, which you don’t.
Originally Posted by Slurpy
I'd say the answer is definitely yes.
10% of Android sales (which are lying numbers anyway) is “definitely yes” now?
Originally Posted by fallenjt
Apple will eventually replace 4" model since 4.7" one is not that bigger than current iPhone 5/5s.
Again, not if you look at the images.
Originally Posted by Chuck Simon
But the time is needed to produce bigger iPhones for guys with hands larger than ham_bone and his friends?
So you’re, what, 6’6”? 6’10”?
Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton
This thread has completely derailed. As predicted.
Oh, I can do better. *ahem* “The next iPhone will be called iPhone 8.”
Surveys show that people find this pricing scheme to be very affordable.
I call Shenanigans. Show me a survey that says that.
We *PAY* it because we have no choice if we want a phone with decent capacity, but that doesn't mean we consider it AFFORDABLE. Just because one ACCEPTS being buttraped doesn't mean (s)he LIKES it.
I don't get why Apple just don't allow 3G and 4G iPads to make calls, obviously using a headset (wired or bluetooth), although I can see some people holding an iPad mini to their face. That puts pay to these retards who think that a massive screen is the future.
If Apple does come out with a larger 4.7" and 5.5" phone, Apple will give customers the option of choosing a 64 bit phone in three screen sizes, just as Apple offers a 64 bit iPad in two screen sizes.
Apple most likely will come out with a 64 bit 4.7" and 5.5" phone, while retaining the same technology in the smaller 4" iPhone 5S, and make the iPhone 5C the mid range phone, the iPhone 4S the lower end phone, and phase out the iPhone 4.
This is similar to Apple offering the same 64 Bit A7 chip in the smaller iPad mini Retina and the larger iPad Air Retina, while retaining the non-retina iPad mini with the Dual Core A5 chip, as the lower range iPad, and the original iPad Retina with the Dual Core A6X chip, as the mid range iPad, while they phased out the iPad 2.
What all of this means is that with the introduction of larger screened iPhones, Apple is going after the market that wants a screen larger than their current iPhone, while not abandoning its customers who prefer a smaller screened phone.
iPhone Air 5.5 with A8 and 16GB: $299 (on contract) iPhone Air 4.7 with A8 and 16GB: $199 (on contract) iPhone Color* 4.0 with A7 and 16GB: $99 (on contract) iPhone 5C 4.0 with A6 and 8GB: $0 (on contract)
*The iPhone "Color" is an iPhone 5S repackaged in a plastic case just like the 5C, but it will include Touch ID.
Really?
[SIZE=14px]Tell me something, which is more likely...[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14px]Your idea of Apple producing an A8 chip in less than a year of developing the A7 chip, for the sole purpose of incorporating the newer chip in a larger screened 4.7" and 5.5" phone like you proposed in your post (at your quoted prices)...[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14px]Or...[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14px]Apple leveraging their 64 bit A7 chip, which has the horsepower to power an iPad mini Retina Display, and an iPad Air Retina Display, and creating two larger 64 bit iPhone screen sizes...[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14px]What you must realize is that when Apple upgrades their mobile processors, their focus is to increase horsepower AND increase power efficiency, and that such upgrades happen gradually over time. Apple always first leverages their existing chips into new product lines, and follows a product life cycle before they introduce a new chip (which only happens when Apple refreshes its product line).[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14px]The iPhone 4 is at the end of its product life and can no longer support the software upgrades, so Apple will phase out the iPhone 4 and the iPhone 4S will take its place as the budget iPhone. The iPhone 5C was the iPhone 5 (with the body of the iPhone 5S). Apple differentiated the previous iPhone 5 from the iPhone 5S, by making the metallic iPhone 5 the plastic iPhone 5C, and taking the iPhone 5's metallic body and giving it a new internal makeover with the 64 bit A7 chip and Touch ID, and calling it the iPhone 5S.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14px]Apple just refreshed its product line with the Touch ID and the A7 chip in the iPhone 5S, and the A7 chip in the iPad mini Retina and the iPad Air Retina. Apple will refresh the 64 bit A7 chip iPad line with Touch ID (since only the A7 chip can handle Touch ID). The logical upgrade path to the iPhone line is a 64 bit iPhone 5S with Touch ID in a 4.7" and 5.5" screen size; which allows Apple to sell the same phone technology without having to create different logic boards for different screen sizes.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14px]Once the 64 bit iPhone and iPad lines are established globally, only then will Apple introduce an A8 chip in a 12" iPad, which most likely will be a Macbook Air tablet powered by an A8 chip, with a Mac OS that can run both desktop Mac apps, and mobile iOS apps - which would have a detachable Bluetooth Apple Keyboard/Magic Trackpad dock.[/SIZE]
I don't get why Apple just don't allow 3G and 4G iPads to make calls, obviously using a headset (wired or bluetooth), although I can see some people holding an iPad mini to their face. That puts pay to these retards who think that a massive screen is the future.
NEWSFLASH: iPad supports FaceTime.
NEWSFLASH: My doctor's office doesn't have FaceTime. Neither does the garage where we take the car for repairs. You get the idea.
I don't get why Apple just don't allow 3G and 4G iPads to make calls, obviously using a headset (wired or bluetooth), although I can see some people holding an iPad mini to their face. That puts pay to these retards who think that a massive screen is the future.
NEWSFLASH: iPad supports FaceTime.
NEWSFLASH: My doctor's office doesn't have FaceTime. Neither does the garage where we take the car for repairs. You get the idea.
NEWSFLASH: I was replying to Evilution. Schutz! ????
I don't get why Apple just don't allow 3G and 4G iPads to make calls, obviously using a headset (wired or bluetooth), although I can see some people holding an iPad mini to their face. That puts pay to these retards who think that a massive screen is the future.
NEWSFLASH: iPad supports FaceTime.
NEWSFLASH: My doctor's office doesn't have FaceTime. Neither does the garage where we take the car for repairs. You get the idea.
NEWSFLASH: I was replying to Evilution. Schutz! ????
I know. Even though I hated doing so, I was challenging your contention that one can avoid holding up a large device to make phone calls by using FaceTime instead. I wish that were true, but unless Apple opens it up it ain't ever gonna be anything more than an "inside crowd" feature exclusive to iPhone users. One still needs to be able to make plain ol' fashioned phone calls.
Really. You can can make a doctor appointment over FaceTime, can you? Book repairs for your car?
Not sure how this is a reply.
Evilution said adding voice calling to an iPad would illustrate how stupid it is to hold a big device to your ear. Benjamin pointed out that the iPad can use FaceTime. I said that's not the same as voice calling since you can't call the doctor or the garage with FaceTime. You said "that's not something that can be said." I took that to mean that you disagree with what I said, so I'm asking you to explain how you can use FaceTime as a replacement for voice calling. Can you call the doctor with FaceTime? My Dad? The kids' school?
FaceTime audio-only calls are possible only between FaceTime-enabled devices. You can't make a FaceTime call to a landline, not even an audio-only call.
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You're really going to mention an Apple TV 3 revision and an ipad 2 revision when an ipad 3 came out? You also realize that when there was the 2013 revision of the same ATV3 ,the A6 was already 6 months old.
You also realize that your chart isn't even correct- right? It's simply mentioning when THAT chip was created, and what products eventually used that chip. Example- the A7 says "sept 2013" for both iPhone 5s and iPad mini. But the mini wasn't announced until late October. And, really, every other product is almost identically incorrect in terms of dates. Just because the product is next to the date doesn't mean that's when the product came out.
So your whole theory is incorrect. When the A7 was released, they released the iPhone 5S and only the iPhone 5S. Not the "entire product line". It was in one product. One. Just like the A8 will be- just in the iPhone 6. Until a month later when the iPads come out. Then those will get the A8. Dense.
The bottom line is this. You are saying the iPhone 6 won't get an A8 but will get a A7 instead.
And that, alone, makes you sound like a total fool.
You're really going to mention an Apple TV 3 revision and an ipad 2 revision when an ipad 3 came out? You also realize that when there was the 2013 revision of the same ATV3 ,the A6 was already 6 months old.
You also realize that your chart isn't even correct- right? It's simply mentioning when THAT chip was created, and what products eventually used that chip. Example- the A7 says "sept 2013" for both iPhone 5s and iPad mini. But the mini wasn't announced until late October. And, really, every other product is almost identically incorrect in terms of dates. Just because the product is next to the date doesn't mean that's when the product came out.
So your whole theory is incorrect. When the A7 was released, they released the iPhone 5S and only the iPhone 5S. Not the "entire product line". It was in one product. One. Just like the A8 will be- just in the iPhone 6. Until a month later when the iPads come out. Then those will get the A8. Dense.
The bottom line is this. You are saying the iPhone 6 won't get an A8 but will get a A7 instead.
And that, alone, makes you sound like a total fool.
Uh, huh...
Keep telling yourself that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_system_on_a_chip
"A" series[edit]
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The Apple "A" series is a family of "Systems on Chip" (SoC) used in the iPhone, iPad, iPod, and Apple TV. They integrate one or moreARM-based processing cores (CPU), a graphics processing unit (GPU), cache memory and other electronics necessary to provide mobile computing functions within a single physical package. They are designed by Apple, and manufactured by contract manufacturers such asSamsung. The latest A7 SoC used in the iPhone 5S uses a 28 nm process with a dual-core CPU running at 1.3 GHz and quad-core GPU, while the A4 SoC in the first iPad used a die manufactured on a 45 nm process with a single-core CPU running at up to 1 GHz.
Apple A5[edit]
The Apple A5 is a system on a chip (SoC) designed by Apple and manufactured by Samsung[26] that replaced the A4. The chip commercially debuted with the release of Apple'siPad 2 tablet in March 2011,[27] followed by its release in the iPhone 4S smartphone later that year. Apple claims that compared with its predecessor, the A4, the A5 CPU "can do twice the work" and the GPU has "up to nine times the graphics performance".[28]
The A5 contains a dual-core ARM Cortex-A9 CPU[29] with ARM's advanced SIMD extension, marketed as NEON, and a dual core PowerVR SGX543MP2 GPU. This GPU can push between 70 and 80 million polygons/second and has a pixel fill rate of 2 billion pixels/second. Apple lists the A5 to be clocked at 1 GHz on the iPad 2's technical specifications page,[30] though it can dynamically adjust its frequency to save battery life.[29][31] The clock speed of the unit used in the iPhone 4S is 800 MHz. Like the A4, the A5 process size is 45 nm.[32]
An updated 32 nm version of the A5 processor was used in the third generation Apple TV, the iPad Mini, and the new version of iPad 2 (version iPad2,4).[33] The chip in the Apple TV has one core disabled.[34][35] The markings of the square package indicates that it's named APL2498, and in software, the chip is called S5L8942. The 32 nm variant of the A5 provides around 15% better battery life during web browsing, 30% better when playing 3D games and approximately 20% better battery life during video playback.[36]
In March 2013, Apple released an updated version of the third generation Apple TV (AppleTV3,2) containing a smaller, single-core version of the A5 processor. Unlike the other A5 variants, this version of the A5 is not a package-on-package (PoP), having no stacked RAM. The chip is very small, just 6.1×6.2 mm, but as the decrease in size is not due to a decrease in feature size (it is still on a 32 nm fabrication process), this indicates that this A5 revision is of a new design.[37] Markings tell that it's named APL7498, and in software, the chip is called S5L8947.[38][39]
Apple A7[edit]
The Apple A7 is a package on package (PoP) 64-bit system-on-a-chip (SoC) designed by Apple. Its first appearance was in the iPhone 5S, which was introduced on September 10, 2013. Apple states that it is up to twice as fast and has up to twice the graphics power compared to its predecessor the Apple A6.[55]
The A7 features an Apple-designed 1.3[56]–1.4[57] GHz 64-bit[58] ARMv8-A[59][60] dual-core CPU,[56] called Cyclone,[59] and an integrated PowerVR G6430 GPU in a four cluster configuration.[61] The ARMv8-A architecture doubles the number of registers of the A7 compared to the A6.[62] It now has 31 general purpose registers that are each 64-bits wide and 32 floating-point/NEON registers that are each 128-bits wide.[58] The A7 is manufactured by Samsung on a high-? metal gate (HKMG) 28 nm process[63] and the chip includes over 1 billion transistors on a die 102 mm2 in size.[56]
The bottom line is this. You are saying the iPhone 6 won't get an A8 but will get a A7 instead.
And that, alone, makes you sound like a total fool.
Interesting analysis, that you actually believe that Apple would introduce a next generation chip that doesn't yet exist, in a phone model that will not be an evolution of the iPhone 5S, but simply a larger screened variation of it - in other words a 4.7" and 5.5" iPhone that uses the same technology as the iPhone 5S - an A7 chip with Touch ID.
Notice that the A7 chip already powers a 7.9" and 9.7" screen in the iPad mini and the iPad Air...
WHY WOULD APPLE THEN NEED AN A8 CHIP TO POWER A 4.7" AND 5.5" SCREEN?
Apple is not producing an iPhone with a next generation chip. Apple is simply producing a larger screened iPhone in its model lineup that will be powered by the same A7 chip and Touch ID in the iPhone 5s; and Apple will refresh the 64 bit iPads with Touch ID.
When Apple introduces the larger screened iPhone's, Apple's iPhone and iPad line will be:
- iPhone 4s with the A5 chip
- iPhone 5c with the A6 chip
- iPhone 5s with the A7 chip and Touch ID
- iPhone (6) 4.7" with the A7 chip and Touch ID
- iPhone (6s) 5.5" with the A7 chip and Touch ID
- iPad mini with the A5 chip
- iPad mini Retina with the A7 (or A8) chip and Touch ID
- iPad with the A6x chip
- iPad Air with the A7 (or A8) chip and Touch ID
When Apple introduces the 4.7" iPhone 6 and the 5.5" iPhone 6s, customers will have the choice of three different sized flagship phones that will all have the same specifications. The differentiator between the phones will only be the screen size. The iPads with the A7 chip will get the Touch ID technology; which was purposely excluded from the 64 bit iPad line to make Touch ID exclusive to the iPhone 5S, so that the 64 bit iPad with Touch ID will become the "new" iPad as next years model.
This is what Apple will introduce in 2014.
If Apple does introduce an A8 chip this year, it will be in the 64 bit iPads with Touch ID, not in an iPhone.
Can the A7 power a 4.7 or 5.5 screen? Of course.
The A5 powered an iPad mini, ipad 2 and Retina 3 yet they made an A6 a year later
The A6 powered the ipad 4 and yet they made an A7 a year later
The A7 powers the iPad Air and mini retina- but this is the year they don't update?
Where is the precedent for your claim?
You're under the assumption that all that will change will be the screen size. That isn't the case- never has been.
If the A8 is significantly more power efficient that it can extend the battery life of the iPhone 6 an additional 1-2 hours- why wouldn't they put it in the iPhone?
We'll clearly have to agree to disagree. Cya in September.
I'm not going to quote your entire post because it's obnoxiously long.
Can the A7 power a 4.7 or 5.5 screen? Of course.
The A5 powered an iPad mini, ipad 2 and Retina 3 yet they made an A6 a year later
The A6 powered the ipad 4 and yet they made an A7 a year later
The A7 powers the iPad Air and mini retina- but this is the year they don't update?
Where is the precedent for your claim?
You're under the assumption that all that will change will be the screen size. That isn't the case- never has been.
If the A8 is significantly more power efficient that it can extend the battery life of the iPhone 6 an additional 1-2 hours- why wouldn't they put it in the iPhone?
We'll clearly have to agree to disagree. Cya in September.
You perceive that I lack an understanding of how Apple's business operates.
Apple is a focused company with a fully realized business model that shows a clear pattern of how it incrementally refreshes it products, and resells them to an established worldwide marketplace. Apple is always working on refining and advancing its technology, and never introduces everything all at once, but gradually, so that what it introduces is newer and better to its established customer base, which gives them an incentive to buy the newest thing from Apple. Sometimes, product refreshes take years because the technology hasn't caught up with the capability that Apple wants its products to have. And in some cases, product refreshes are incremental, to give customers a reason to buy a different version of the same thing.
When Apple introduced the iPhone 5, it had the A6 chip and the metal case. The iPad mini had the A5 chip that was in the iPad 2, and had the same resolution screen of the iPad 2. Why didn't Apple give its customers an iPad mini with the A6x chip and a Retina display? Because Apple needed a smaller lower cost iPad to compete with smaller/cheaper Android tablets, that was also lower priced and less powered than its top of the line iPad Retina with the A6x chip.
And, Apple wanted the iPad mini Retina to be next years model, to give customers a reason to buy more iPad mini's.
The 64 bit A7 chip and the Touch ID was Apple's next generation technology that Apple introduced in the iPhone 5s the following year. When Apple introduces the next generation iPhone, the previous generation always become the mid-tier phone. So how could Apple externally differentiate the iPhone 5s from the iPhone 5, to distinguish two premium phones from each other. The metal case of the iPhone 5 was Apple's top of the line design, if Apple offered the iPhone 5s with the same metal case of the iPhone 5, and offered both iPhone models with the same metal case, there would be no physical distinction between the top-tier phone and the mid-tier phone.
So Apple went back to the design of the Apple 3GS, and placed the iPhone 5 in a plastic body; and renamed the iPhone 5, the iPhone 5c.
This allowed Apple to recycle the metal case of the iPhone 5 into a new product, the iPhone 5s; with two new metallic shades, a 64 bit chip, and a biometric sensor called Touch ID. Apple also incorporated the 64 bit chip into the iPad line, the iPad mini Retina, and Apple's next generation iPad, the iPad Air, which used an enlarged version of the iPad mini's design, and was made thinner and lighter.
Instead of continuing the pattern of distinguishing products by having a more powerful chip in the top-tier option, Apple chose to make both the smaller iPad mini Retina, and the iPad Air Retina to have the same capacity; so that both tablets were equal in power, but only different in screen size.
Which was what Apple did with the Macbook Air line; when it offered the 11" and the 13" models with the same capacity; where the only difference was screen size.
This pattern shows how Apple has evolved, and the direction that Apple is going in its iPhone line.
Apple's enlargement of the iPhone screen from the iPhone 4 to the iPhone 4s, as well as Apple's development of the iPad mini in response to the demand for smaller Android tablets in the marketplace, is Apple's acknowledgment that the market wants larger screened phones and smaller screened tablets. And now, Apple will introduce two larger iPhones. The 4.7" iPhone 6, and the 5.5" iPhone 6s.
Seeing that Apple has two different sized Macbook Air's with the same capacity, and two different sized iPad's with the same capacity; Apple will continue this pattern and create two new iPhones with the same capacity as its top-tier iPhone, so that customers will have the option of choosing a top-tier iPhone in either small, medium, or large.
Which means that when Apple introduces the iPhone 6 line, it will have the same capacity as its current top of the line phone, the iPhone 5s.
When Touch ID was introduced in 2013, it required the A7 chip. So why didn't the 2013 iPad's with the same A7 chip get Touch ID? Because the two 64 bit iPad's with Touch ID would be this years model.
So Apple will introduce two new iPhones and two new iPads in 2014. When Apple introduces the larger screened iPhone's, Apple's iPhone and iPad line will be:
- iPhone 4s with the A5 chip
- iPhone 5c with the A6 chip
- iPhone 5s with the A7 chip and Touch ID
- iPhone (6) 4.7" with the A7 chip and Touch ID
- iPhone (6s) 5.5" with the A7 chip and Touch ID
- iPad mini with the A5 chip
- iPad mini Retina with the A7 (or A8) chip and Touch ID
- iPad with the A6x chip
- iPad Air with the A7 (or A8) chip and Touch ID
I've already told you what will happen.
Time will tell who is right.
This thread has completely derailed. As predicted.
According to some here, your belief in this makes you a complete bumbling imbecile, and you should be ridiculed for it.
I don’t think so, Tim.
Unless, of course, you read the article, look at the pictures, or watch the video.
TouchID. Also, because why does it need to be smaller?
Total nonsense.
Surveys show that people find this pricing scheme to be very affordable.
Okay, it’s not last year. It’s this year. The iPhone 4 is already gone. The 4S is leaving this year.
EXCEPT THEY NEVER DID THIS. The 3rd gen iPad was discontinued immediately upon release of the 4th gen, with the 2nd gen iPad kept around to this day.
Which would be nice to say if you knew anything about what you were saying, which you don’t.
10% of Android sales (which are lying numbers anyway) is “definitely yes” now?
Again, not if you look at the images.
But the time is needed to produce bigger iPhones for guys with hands larger than ham_bone and his friends?
So you’re, what, 6’6”? 6’10”?
Oh, I can do better. *ahem* “The next iPhone will be called iPhone 8.”
I call Shenanigans. Show me a survey that says that.
We *PAY* it because we have no choice if we want a phone with decent capacity, but that doesn't mean we consider it AFFORDABLE. Just because one ACCEPTS being buttraped doesn't mean (s)he LIKES it.
NEWSFLASH: iPad supports FaceTime.
No.
I don't get why Apple just don't allow 3G and 4G iPads to make calls, obviously using a headset (wired or bluetooth), although I can see some people holding an iPad mini to their face. That puts pay to these retards who think that a massive screen is the future.
NEWSFLASH: iPad supports FaceTime.
NEWSFLASH: My doctor's office doesn't have FaceTime. Neither does the garage where we take the car for repairs. You get the idea.
NEWSFLASH: My doctor's office doesn't have FaceTime. Neither does the garage where we take the car for repairs. You get the idea.
Yeah, that’s not something that can be said.
NEWSFLASH: I was replying to Evilution. Schutz! ????
I don't get why Apple just don't allow 3G and 4G iPads to make calls, obviously using a headset (wired or bluetooth), although I can see some people holding an iPad mini to their face. That puts pay to these retards who think that a massive screen is the future.
NEWSFLASH: iPad supports FaceTime.
NEWSFLASH: My doctor's office doesn't have FaceTime. Neither does the garage where we take the car for repairs. You get the idea.
NEWSFLASH: I was replying to Evilution. Schutz! ????
I know. Even though I hated doing so, I was challenging your contention that one can avoid holding up a large device to make phone calls by using FaceTime instead. I wish that were true, but unless Apple opens it up it ain't ever gonna be anything more than an "inside crowd" feature exclusive to iPhone users. One still needs to be able to make plain ol' fashioned phone calls.
NEWSFLASH: My doctor's office doesn't have FaceTime. Neither does the garage where we take the car for repairs. You get the idea.
Yeah, that’s not something that can be said.
Really. You can can make a doctor appointment over FaceTime, can you? Book repairs for your car?
Really. You can can make a doctor appointment over FaceTime, can you? Book repairs for your car?
Not sure how this is a reply.
Really. You can can make a doctor appointment over FaceTime, can you? Book repairs for your car?
Not sure how this is a reply.
Evilution said adding voice calling to an iPad would illustrate how stupid it is to hold a big device to your ear. Benjamin pointed out that the iPad can use FaceTime. I said that's not the same as voice calling since you can't call the doctor or the garage with FaceTime. You said "that's not something that can be said." I took that to mean that you disagree with what I said, so I'm asking you to explain how you can use FaceTime as a replacement for voice calling. Can you call the doctor with FaceTime? My Dad? The kids' school?
I said that’s not the same as voice calling…
http://support.apple.com/kb/TI189
http://support.apple.com/kb/TI189
FaceTime audio-only calls are possible only between FaceTime-enabled devices. You can't make a FaceTime call to a landline, not even an audio-only call.