Google and Samsung escalate hostilities over watches, Tizen and Android's openness

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  • Reply 41 of 141
    bobschlobbobschlob Posts: 1,074member

    Cue Spock vs. Kirk music.

    (or if you prefer, Carrey vs. Broderick music)

  • Reply 42 of 141
    512ke512ke Posts: 782member
    Samsung has no choice but to develop tizen.

    What else are they supposed to do? Sell exactly the same watch in terms of capabilities as its competitors?

    That's what Google wants. They're saying, here, do exactly what everyone else is doing. May the cheapest version win.

    Every company wants to be Apple and charge a premium for being unique valuable and different.
  • Reply 43 of 141
    gtrgtr Posts: 3,231member
    gatorguy wrote: »
    You must have skipped right over post 7 preceding yours.

    You must have skipped right over his next sentence where he actually mentions seeing post 7.
  • Reply 44 of 141
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    mstone wrote: »
    If Samsung thinks they have some street 'cred' on their own without Android they will be surprised to learn that people who buy Galaxy are primarily Android fans not Samsung fans.

    I used to believe this but not anymore. Samsung has plenty of street cred. If they can keep Tizen functioning somewhat like Android then many people won't ever know the difference.
  • Reply 45 of 141
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    512ke wrote: »
    What else are they supposed to do? Sell exactly the same watch in terms of capabilities as its competitors?

    How is it any different from them selling smartphones in terms of capability as its competitors, and kicking their butts doing so?
  • Reply 46 of 141
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    bobschlob wrote: »
    Cue Spock vs. Kirk music.
    [SIZE=12px](or if you prefer, Carrey vs. Broderick music)[/SIZE]

    Gotta go with Kirk, leg flip and all. :lol:
  • Reply 47 of 141
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    You have never posted in support of Scamsung in any situation where they were in an adversarial position to Apple? I must apologize then, I could have sworn you had on many occasions.

    [@]Gatorguy [/@] knows the repercussions of lying to Chuck Norris.
  • Reply 48 of 141
    jungmark wrote: »

    Who has more power? Googs or Sammy? I hope Sammy drops android and see both companies implode in mobile.

    Sammy isn't gonna drop android. They've already did the math, and they'd lose. However, they can't stay with android due to the Chinese companies chewing away at their bottom end products and Apple owning the top end. So, Sammy is in a lose-lose situation.

    Google, on the other hand, is in no better a situation. The people with the money to spend are more and more not buying android or using android to shop around. In other words Google's analytics are not as finely granular as they once were. Once the advertising clients see that and start demanding Google cut their advertising prices, life at Google will get worse (no more jet pack projects). Meanwhile the clock is running on Google's search patent (2 years and counting down), and iOS8 will put the bulk of iOS searchers behind a wall where their activity and interest will be mostly invisible to Google.

    I see no good end game for these two crooked companies, and I find it fun to watch their tents burn.

    Meanwhile the Microsoft sideshow provides its own spectacle of a clown fire department. Waaay too late and no clear plan on how to catch up, other then compete for the low end of the phone business in emerging markets.
    "The phone will cost you one goat, and the service will require you bring me two chickens each month."

    That's a far cry from business in the air conditioned halls of enterprise clients. How far the mighty have fallen!
  • Reply 49 of 141
    dasanman69 wrote: »
    mstone wrote: »
    If Samsung thinks they have some street 'cred' on their own without Android they will be surprised to learn that people who buy Galaxy are primarily Android fans not Samsung fans.

    I used to believe this but not anymore. Samsung has plenty of street cred. If they can keep Tizen functioning somewhat like Android then many people won't ever know the difference.
    ...they will when they show up at the Google Play store and can't get their dose of malware. ;)
  • Reply 50 of 141
    davendaven Posts: 707member

    It isn't personal. It is business and is all about money. The money for Android is in the advertising, the app store, and the collection of tracking information to best target the advertising. Samsung is likely seeing that the margins in making a handset are diminishing and the Chinese are having Samsung for lunch in China. What can you do about it? Create your own ecosystem that can run Android apps natively. Ditch Google Maps, Gmail, etc. and offer your own services and as a bridge open it up to third party bidders with the highest bidder getting first crack at it while you develop your in-house solutions.

  • Reply 51 of 141
    MacProMacPro Posts: 19,784member
    solipsismx wrote: »
    MS does have a good mobile OS. Not great on ecosystem but that's more a result of not being popular which they can't seem to do this late in the game because they aren't popular.

    I'll take your word for it then, after using every OS on a desk top they ever made I assumed it was as bad. I wondered if the out of favor thing was true, or not. MS not being popular is certainly pretty staggering to those of us who have been around before its shadow darkened the landscape.
  • Reply 52 of 141
    MacProMacPro Posts: 19,784member
    dasanman69 wrote: »
    [@]Gatorguy [/@] knows the repercussions of lying to Chuck Norris.

    LOL. I actually watched that show many moons ago!

    You just have to go back and read his posts during the Apple v Scamsung trials to see his leanings. Then I guess anyone that runs his master's OS is OK till they bite his master's hand.
  • Reply 53 of 141
    MacProMacPro Posts: 19,784member
    dasanman69 wrote: »
    I used to believe this but not anymore. Samsung has plenty of street cred. If they can keep Tizen functioning somewhat like Android then many people won't ever know the difference.

    I agree, most of the knuckleheads buying Galaxies have no idea what OS they run.
  • Reply 54 of 141
    jexusjexus Posts: 373member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post





    I used to believe this but not anymore. Samsung has plenty of street cred. If they can keep Tizen functioning somewhat like Android then many people won't ever know the difference.



    Tizen has an emulation layer ala blackberry for Android Apps

     

    It doesn't look too bad from recent showings.

    HTML5 support is a plus

    It's got the official backing and actual development hand of the Linux Foundation.

    EFL display layer for UI work is back-ended by C as opposed to the JVM(ewww)

    OS is OSS, SDK is closed source(somewhat annoying but not important).

     

    Sounds good to me.

  • Reply 55 of 141
    MacProMacPro Posts: 19,784member
    solipsismx wrote: »
    1) Don't forget Hyundai and LG.

    2) I bought a Hyundai. So far a good deal for the money.

    Shame on you! ;) I'll stick with my Chrysler Jeep Grand Cherokee ... which was mostly owned by Mercedes when I bought it :D
  • Reply 56 of 141
    stefstef Posts: 87member
    Only Apple delivers UX; the others? SUX.
  • Reply 57 of 141
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    I'll take your word for it then, after using every OS on a desk top they ever made I assumed it was as bad. I wondered if the out of favor thing was true, or not. MS not being popular is certainly pretty staggering to those of us who have been around before its shadow darkened the landscape.

    It is quite staggering how MS has been unable to parlay their popularity in desktop OS into mobile even after Apple showed them how to do it. Win 8 isn't bad, but it's not good either.
  • Reply 58 of 141
    MacProMacPro Posts: 19,784member
    512ke wrote: »
    Samsung has no choice but to develop tizen.

    What else are they supposed to do? Sell exactly the same watch in terms of capabilities as its competitors?

    That's what Google wants. They're saying, here, do exactly what everyone else is doing. May the cheapest version win.

    Every company wants to be Apple and charge a premium for being unique valuable and different.

    Assuming Scammy shafts Google, and I hope they do, who is left of any importance selling Android crap? I don't follow Android / Google news at all, other than reading Gatorguy here on AI, so I really don't know. Doesn't Google make some hardware themselves? Microsoft's downfall may have begun when they went into hardware so I hope so. :)
  • Reply 59 of 141
    iqatedoiqatedo Posts: 1,825member

    Hilarious, open source is a snake that has turned to bite the hand that reared it('s ugly head lol)!

     

    This is all moot regardless, Scamsung's effort will fall by the way-side whether Apple releases a watch or not. Should Apple not enter the market, there are far more brilliant minds capable of capitalising on the art than Shamsung will ever rally. (My prophesy at least. <img class=" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />)

     

    All the best.

  • Reply 60 of 141
    I'd bet Lenovo will soon be the building the best Android devices & is going to be Apples competition
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