Google and Samsung escalate hostilities over watches, Tizen and Android's openness

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  • Reply 121 of 141
    MacProMacPro Posts: 19,784member
    gatorguy wrote: »
    Apparently you desperately want me to be a Samsung fan so as to have a windmill to flail at? Imagine what you wish sir, but the factual record from my posting history will plainly show I'm no Sammy fan. Feel free to continue with your own version tho as I can't do anything about someone else's vivid imagination.

    As you were. . . :rolleyes:

    Dude, for fun (irony coming) I Googled 'gatorguy', 'samsung', apple insider'. There are hundreds of posts where you take your typically stealthy (creepy, slimy, weird) supportive position on Samsung against Apple. Obviously this is part of the support Android strategy you pursue relentlessly, not pro Samsung per se, but to suggest I am imagining it is frankly ludicrous. Your own master's search engine tells all.

    Here is one out of hundreds (if not thousands) of such comment.

    "IMHO, if anything today's initial Dutch court ruling will prompt Apple to put more effort into a friendly settlement with Samsung. I imagine they prefer to avoid having a patent they're throwing at other Android handsets, "swipe to unlock", ruled invalid. And that's the likely outcome if they pursue it. Their legal strategy of use community patents to attack Samsung (and likely others) has already been put to the test and failed, at least for now.

    So yes, today's ruling may increase the likelihood of a settlement out of court, but not because Samsung feels more pressure. IMHO it's Apple that might be realizing the need to put these issues to rest before a court makes a final judgement."


    I am looking for your defense of Samsung over the iPad look and feel court case posts I remember well.
  • Reply 122 of 141
    bheitbheit Posts: 15member

    It's like watching two Mafia families having it out.  If Samsung doesn't kill Android, the hackers will.  Good riddance to both of them!

  • Reply 123 of 141
    tentaphtentaph Posts: 2member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post



    Reports of contention between Google and Samsung are not new, but increasing hostility between the two companies were clearly evident at the recent Allen & Co. meeting of tech and media industry luminaries recently held in Sun Valley, according to a report by The Information written by Jessica Lessin.

     



    The Information ???

    Sounds like "The Sun" of tech & business news. 



    Relax, all. There are no hostilities between Google & Samsung. There might be different opinions in various sectors and operations, but hostility ... lol. Still it's funny to watch how some people simply cannot distinguish a credible news from a click-bait (in this case pay-bait) outlet. 

  • Reply 124 of 141
    jungmarkjungmark Posts: 6,926member
    larry9 wrote: »
    Does anybody seriously think Apple needs to build its own hardware to sell IOS? They would be even more successful if they licensed it and let others sell iphone clones with a variety of features, form factors, and prices. It is the sameness of product choices that is keeping Apple from owning the market. Their own manufacturing arm is denying Apple a complete takeover of the smartphone market.

    Have you read history about Apple? Licensing Mac OS almost killed Apple.
  • Reply 125 of 141
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    jungmark wrote: »
    Have you read history about Apple? Licensing Mac OS almost killed Apple.

    While I don't agree with [@]Larry9[/@], there are major differences between Mac OS of back then, and iOS of now. If there were as many Mac OS users as there are iOS users it would've been a different story.
  • Reply 126 of 141
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    dasanman69 wrote: »
    While I don't agree with [@]Larry9[/@], there are major differences between Mac OS of back then, and iOS of now. If there were as many Mac OS users as there are iOS users it would've been a different story.

    Saying there are differences now is not the same as making a case as to why it would be beneficial to Apple to license iOS.
  • Reply 127 of 141
    joshajosha Posts: 901member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Andysol View Post



    Google is being a bully to Samsung? Try enforcer. Bullies pick on innocents. Samsung is guilty of being the worst company on earth. Have at 'em Google



    Yes Google is being a bully, for purely selfish reasons of having all android devices on the same page.

    But Samsung is obviously of being held back by Google and not being able to go ahead of other androids.

     

    This doesn't surprise me, Samsung want to go at their pace, not being held back by Google.

     

    Of course Google is upset because they lose spying capability, if Samsung does their own thing.

     

    It's time these biggies went their own ways.

  • Reply 128 of 141
    nikon133nikon133 Posts: 2,600member
    stef wrote: »
    Only Apple delivers UX; the others? SUX.

    Supreme User eXperience?
  • Reply 129 of 141
    revenantrevenant Posts: 621member

    Open is the new closed.

  • Reply 130 of 141
    Samsung bought Knox by the way.
  • Reply 131 of 141
    joshajosha Posts: 901member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by larry9 View Post


    Does anybody seriously think Apple needs to build its own hardware to sell IOS? They would be even more successful if they licensed it and let others sell iphone clones with a variety of features, form factors, and prices. It is the sameness of product choices that is keeping Apple from owning the market. Their own manufacturing arm is denying Apple a complete takeover of the smartphone market.

    How to screw Apple and iOS; Apple just creates iOS for any cheap phone out there.

    So you don't realize the superior top level hardware quality of Apple's devices.

     

    Well my regularly  used 3.5 yr old iPhone4, still on the original battery,  tells me much about Apple's level 10+ hardware quality.

  • Reply 132 of 141
    philboogiephilboogie Posts: 7,675member
    nikon133 wrote: »
    stef wrote: »
    Only Apple delivers UX; the others? SUX.

    Supreme User eXperience?

    Such Utter Xcruciating experience when on anything other than Apple-designed software.
  • Reply 133 of 141
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    solipsismx wrote: »
    Saying there are differences now is not the same as making a case as to why it would be beneficial to Apple to license iOS.

    But you can't assume it'll bankrupt them just because that what happened in the past.
  • Reply 134 of 141
    b9botb9bot Posts: 238member
    "Google is upset that Android is being used as an open platform"
    Why is Google upset about this? Android is an open platform. And that's what the marketing of Android has been exploiting for how many years. Amazon is doing the same thing with its products, so Google should be upset with Amazon as well. Sorry Larry but you guys at Google created this mess. Blame your selves!
    Android has been manipulated and tweaked so many different ways and since it is a free and OPEN operating system that's what manufacturers are doing.
    This is a really funny story, I'm loving this one.
  • Reply 135 of 141
    b9botb9bot Posts: 238member
    Tightly controlled Android operating system? Since when? Google doesn't know the meaning of tightly controlled. If it was they would probably be doing better. But since only 4% of Android products are even up to date with the latest Android operating system. I don't see any controls on any manufacturer with Android.
    Samsung will fail, they only know how to copy others not R&D there own products. There in to much of a rush to be the first out there with stuff that's only a quarter done compared to the likes of Apple. I see know control with Google and Android. It's all over the place and that's why even though they have lots of sales, most people eventually move to Apple's IOS for a better experience and definitely better support all around with up to date software on all products.
  • Reply 136 of 141
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    dasanman69 wrote: »
    But you can't assume it'll bankrupt them just because that what happened in the past.

    No, but I haven't seen an argument that would show how it's good for Apple.
  • Reply 137 of 141
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,387member
    b9bot wrote: »
    But since only 4% of Android products are even up to date with the latest Android operating system

    You're off by a few as it's actually about 18% but still a valid point. Google does not have 100% control of the OS and all hardware running it, unlike Apple. In fact if Apple were to license iOS they'd likely suffer similar "fragmentation" . Apple is smart not to do so IMO.

    https://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/index.html
  • Reply 138 of 141
    jungmarkjungmark Posts: 6,926member
    solipsismx wrote: »
    No, but I haven't seen an argument that would show how it's good for Apple.

    Exactly. Unless Apple is going to charge $300 per license, it makes no sense.
  • Reply 139 of 141
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,437member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Gatorguy View Post





    You're off by a few as it's actually about 18% but still a valid point. Google does not have 100% control of the OS and all hardware running it, unlike Apple. In fact if Apple were to license iOS they'd likely suffer similar "fragmentation" . Apple is smart not to do so IMO.



    https://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/index.html

    Caveat.

     

    Data is from the Google Play Store app and this is a subset of devices eligible for the upgrade.

    I wouldn't describe this 18% rate of adoption as definitive at this point in time, i.e. your mileage may vary.

     

    from the link:

     

    Note: Because this data is gathered from the new Google Play Store app, which supports Android 2.2 and above, devices running older versions are not included. However, in August, 2013, versions older than Android 2.2 accounted for about 1% of devices that checked in to Google servers (not those that actually visited Google Play Store).

  • Reply 140 of 141
    reydnreydn Posts: 73member

    But - I thought Android was supposed to be 'open' to customization? Lol

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