I'm guessing it's up so much this morning because Citi came out with a research note predicting 160M iPhone 6 sales.
A blue chip stock like AAPL doesn't rocket up because one single analyst comes out with a nice research note.
The big institutional investors all have their own in-house research teams. They all think their guys are smarter than the others. In most cases, they are likely coming to similar conclusions.
Notice that whenever gross margins are up at Apple... its usually because they've refreshed/recycled the products in their pipe line. Then Apple releases a new product line or a massive upgrade to an existing line of products.
A blue chip stock like AAPL doesn't rocket up because one single analyst comes out with a nice research note.
The big institutional investors all have their own in-house research teams. They all think their guys are smarter than the others. In most cases, they are likely coming to similar conclusions.
I didn't think AAPL was considered a blue chip stock.
I didn't think AAPL was considered a blue chip stock.
Five years ago, it probably wasn't.
Today, it really has to be. It's the company with the most market capitalization. It remains profitable even during economic downturns. They have a ton of cash and basically zero debt risk.
Today, it really has to be. It's the company with the most market capitalization. It remains profitable even during economic downturns. They have a ton of cash and basically zero debt.
... but, among large investment houses, AAPL is still not considered a blue chip stock, regardless of market capitalization. Maybe in 5 years... but not yet.
I didn't think AAPL was considered a blue chip stock.
They don't get much bluer. AAPL is a significant part of pretty much any balanced portfolio on the planet. I'm overstating that for emphasis, but seriously, look at the component stocks of a random sampling of large cap, general market, and balanced funds and AAPL will be at or near the very top of most of them.
I woke up slightly late today, and one of the first things I do when I wake up is to check on my holdings, and when I opened the AAPL chart for today, I just had to smile." src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />
Screw all the shorts! I hope that they lost their rent money! I hope that they have to pawn their Android phones! I hope that they have to whore out their wives and sisters and make them stand on a busy street corner to make up for their losses.
I said it yesterday, but this earnings was pretty good, especially since it's a quiet quarter for AAPL. We all know what's coming soon! Bring it on biatches!
From investopedia.org (with a name like that, it has to be a good source, right?):
Definition of 'Blue Chip'
A nationally recognized, well-established and financially sound company. Blue chips generally sell high-quality, widely accepted products and services. Blue chip companies are known to weather downturns and operate profitably in the face of adverse economic conditions, which helps to contribute to their long record of stable and reliable growth.
Sounds like Apple Inc (but not necessarily Apple Computer, Inc.) to me.
They don't get much bluer. AAPL is a significant part of pretty much any balanced portfolio on the planet. I'm overstating that for emphasis, but seriously, look at the component stocks of a random sampling of large cap, general market, and balanced funds and AAPL will be at or near the very top of most of them.
I think you are wrong about that. Most investment houses are underweight in AAPL.
Try using the DJIA for an example. AAPL aint in there. Those stocks are the gold standard for what is considered blue chip.
Apple is actually very new at this, regardless of the age of the company.
From investopedia.org (with a name like that, it has to be a good source, right?):
Definition of 'Blue Chip'
A nationally recognized, well-established and financially sound company. Blue chips generally sell high-quality, widely accepted products and services. Blue chip companies are known to weather downturns and operate profitably in the face of adverse economic conditions, which helps to contribute to their long record of stable and reliable growth.
Sounds like Apple Inc (but not necessarily Apple Computer, Inc.) to me.
Apple has only been at the level it's at now for about 10 years... that doesn't sound very blue chip to me.
My favorite: the incredible sales figures of the 5c, which ALL the investors gave Apple crap about, and called a failed product until recently. Turns out it's a runaway success. Goes to show how clueless these "analysts" are.
Sog35: $125 in Christmas quarter. I'll take a wager on that $100 says you are wrong. If you don't take my bet or respond to my post then your comment is wrong and you are a coward not to back up your prediction with money
... but, among large investment houses, AAPL is still not considered a blue chip stock, regardless of market capitalization. Maybe in 5 years... but not yet.
Blue chips generally sell high-quality, widely accepted products and services. Blue chip companies are known to weather downturns and operate profitably in the face of adverse economic conditions, which helps to contribute to their long record of stable and reliable growth
Apple it seems is the epitome of 'blue chip'. I would have to wholeheartedly agree with [@]sog35[/@]
Apple has steadily released a New/Updated iPhone each year. That is always the given. iPads not every year. Mac's either get Hardware upgrades or a refresh, depending on how far along they are in the product cycle. New OS's for both Mac and iOS each year. So whats left ATV? Those hardware updates have been few and far between. If we are talking new product categories those have spans of 5+ years between launches. So... nothing different then what has occurred in the past.
Not to side with the troll, but...
Apple Events...
2008: Jan, Mar, Jun, Sep, Oct
2009: Jan, Mar, Jun, Sep
2010: Jan, Apr, Jun, Sep, Oct
2011: Mar, Jun, Oct
2012: Jan, Mar, Jun, Sep, Oct
2013: Jun, Sep, Oct
2014: Jun
Last year was the first year they did not have an event during the first half of the year - this was only the second time that has happened.
"This means Apple will only benefit from 5 days of iPhone 6 sales vs. 12 in our prior expectation," Munster said.
<span style="color:rgb(24,24,24);line-height:1.4em;">After guessing incorrectly by a wide margin how iPhones Apple might sell in over the initial Friday, Saturday and Sunday the iPhone 5S/C were available for purchase, Gene actually had the audacity to claim Tim Cook lied about iPhone 5S/C sales and that iPhones were collecting dust on store shelves in back rooms. iPhones collecting dust! Really?</span>
Oh well, at least Gene has been quiet about expecting an Apple television set. :-)))
I read (I think it may have been on Fortune) that Gene said his expectations for an Apple television in 2014 were waning.
No one told Apple to once again release nothing in the first 9 months of the year and ride the coat tails of last year's products for this year's revenue.
My own outlook on them is dismal. AppleTV and iWatch initiatives are not going to materialize this year, and frankly that's an embarrassment. The old Apple released more quality products in a calendar year.
Hmmm — and how much profit did you miss out on with the rise of Apple's stock in the last 9 months? Now THAT's embarassing!
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Yup. Typical dumb analyst talk.
Who knew that $37 billion would be "uneventful".
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Originally Posted by sog35
Apple Profits up 12% for the Quarter.
Google Profits up 5.8% for the Quarter.
Samsung Profits DOWN 25%.
So again. Who's winning?
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Originally Posted by TheDBA
I think your fingers were typing faster than your brain could think.
The old Apple, as you say, pre-iPhone, under SJ, had iPods and Macs.
Today's Apple has far more products. iPods, iPhones, Macs, iPads.
As far as not releasing anything, what would you call this year's WWDC? I call it major breakthrough which will keep Apple at the top for many more years to come. No shiny new toys were announced but still laying the foundations for the future.
Have you also given any thought as to why in the past iPhones were released in late summer and iPads in February.
Have you thought of manufacturing capacity?
I guess you haven't.
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They did? when?
Apple has steadily released a New/Updated iPhone each year. That is always the given. iPads not every year. Mac's either get Hardware upgrades or a refresh, depending on how far along they are in the product cycle. New OS's for both Mac and iOS each year. So whats left ATV? Those hardware updates have been few and far between. If we are talking new product categories those have spans of 5+ years between launches. So... nothing different then what has occurred in the past.
As far as Analysis being uneasy about next quarters guidance, why? The next quarter ends Sept 30th and sales are always dependent on when the iPhone is released. Typically, the bulk of sales will occur in the following Qtr (End Dec 31st). That is holiday shopping and when the bulk of these next products are due to be released. I would think that sales are down for iPads this past Quarter for those awaiting a possible hardware refresh and TouchID. Especially those who may have purchased a 5S or are waiting the upgrade to a 6, so that they have usage consistency across all devices. Again, this won't possibly effect sales until 4th qtr.
The profits they turn on products that are older than the competition's offerings are nothing short of amazing, and speak to the quality of and demand for those products.
Analysts be damned, but they are not the only ones that see Apple as ignoring existing parts of their product line, or forging any new ventures into new product lines.
The Mac lineup has seen nothing of significance in 2014.
The AppleTV is full of potential, and long overdue for some treatment.
The iWatch doesn't exist, and probably will not in 2014.
iPhone and iOS updates are coming as expected, but they are the lifeline of the entire company..if they weren't coming, there would be panic in the streets.
iPad is going strong, but will need some new life breathed into it to drive upgrades. New customer sales of iPad aren't enough to drive growth of the category.
CarPlay isn't much of an initiative worth talking about, as it will probably be replaced by something else before it ever sees widespread usage. (read: Usage not the same as Deployment or Planned Deployment).
OS X seeing a step forward with Yosemite, but the lack of polish on it at this stage of development and the promise of Photos.app not until 2015 makes it look like a second class citizen. Honestly, I'm really bothered and concerned by Photos not coming until 2015. Calls into question a lot about their ability to get things done, and resources they can dedicate to multiple projects.
If I missed anything please let me know.
If I didn't clarify, I'm not concerned about how much money Apple is making. No one in their right mind would be. What concerns me is whether or not Apple is doing the best it could be doing in all areas of its business.
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I'm guessing it's up so much this morning because Citi came out with a research note predicting 160M iPhone 6 sales.
A blue chip stock like AAPL doesn't rocket up because one single analyst comes out with a nice research note.
The big institutional investors all have their own in-house research teams. They all think their guys are smarter than the others. In most cases, they are likely coming to similar conclusions.
Notice that whenever gross margins are up at Apple... its usually because they've refreshed/recycled the products in their pipe line. Then Apple releases a new product line or a massive upgrade to an existing line of products.
A blue chip stock like AAPL doesn't rocket up because one single analyst comes out with a nice research note.
The big institutional investors all have their own in-house research teams. They all think their guys are smarter than the others. In most cases, they are likely coming to similar conclusions.
I didn't think AAPL was considered a blue chip stock.
I didn't think AAPL was considered a blue chip stock.
Five years ago, it probably wasn't.
Today, it really has to be. It's the company with the most market capitalization. It remains profitable even during economic downturns. They have a ton of cash and basically zero debt risk.
Five years ago, it probably wasn't.
Today, it really has to be. It's the company with the most market capitalization. It remains profitable even during economic downturns. They have a ton of cash and basically zero debt.
... but, among large investment houses, AAPL is still not considered a blue chip stock, regardless of market capitalization. Maybe in 5 years... but not yet.
I didn't think AAPL was considered a blue chip stock.
They don't get much bluer. AAPL is a significant part of pretty much any balanced portfolio on the planet. I'm overstating that for emphasis, but seriously, look at the component stocks of a random sampling of large cap, general market, and balanced funds and AAPL will be at or near the very top of most of them.
I woke up slightly late today, and one of the first things I do when I wake up is to check on my holdings, and when I opened the AAPL chart for today, I just had to smile.
" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />
Screw all the shorts! I hope that they lost their rent money! I hope that they have to pawn their Android phones! I hope that they have to whore out their wives and sisters and make them stand on a busy street corner to make up for their losses.
I said it yesterday, but this earnings was pretty good, especially since it's a quiet quarter for AAPL. We all know what's coming soon! Bring it on biatches!
From investopedia.org (with a name like that, it has to be a good source, right?):
Definition of 'Blue Chip'
Sounds like Apple Inc (but not necessarily Apple Computer, Inc.) to me.
They don't get much bluer. AAPL is a significant part of pretty much any balanced portfolio on the planet. I'm overstating that for emphasis, but seriously, look at the component stocks of a random sampling of large cap, general market, and balanced funds and AAPL will be at or near the very top of most of them.
I think you are wrong about that. Most investment houses are underweight in AAPL.
Try using the DJIA for an example. AAPL aint in there. Those stocks are the gold standard for what is considered blue chip.
Apple is actually very new at this, regardless of the age of the company.
From investopedia.org (with a name like that, it has to be a good source, right?):
Definition of 'Blue Chip'
Sounds like Apple Inc (but not necessarily Apple Computer, Inc.) to me.
Apple has only been at the level it's at now for about 10 years... that doesn't sound very blue chip to me.
Apple it seems is the epitome of 'blue chip'. I would have to wholeheartedly agree with [@]sog35[/@]
Edit: [@]malax[/@] beat me to it.
They did? when?
Apple has steadily released a New/Updated iPhone each year. That is always the given. iPads not every year. Mac's either get Hardware upgrades or a refresh, depending on how far along they are in the product cycle. New OS's for both Mac and iOS each year. So whats left ATV? Those hardware updates have been few and far between. If we are talking new product categories those have spans of 5+ years between launches. So... nothing different then what has occurred in the past.
Not to side with the troll, but...
Apple Events...
2008: Jan, Mar, Jun, Sep, Oct
2009: Jan, Mar, Jun, Sep
2010: Jan, Apr, Jun, Sep, Oct
2011: Mar, Jun, Oct
2012: Jan, Mar, Jun, Sep, Oct
2013: Jun, Sep, Oct
2014: Jun
Last year was the first year they did not have an event during the first half of the year - this was only the second time that has happened.
So what's a suitable time frame? 25, 50 years?
So what's a suitable time frame? 25, 50 years?
You think I make up these rules.
Dividends and long term stability make up a blue chip stock. Not a quick rise to the top.
I already gave a time frame.
I read (I think it may have been on Fortune) that Gene said his expectations for an Apple television in 2014 were waning.
No one told Apple to once again release nothing in the first 9 months of the year and ride the coat tails of last year's products for this year's revenue.
My own outlook on them is dismal. AppleTV and iWatch initiatives are not going to materialize this year, and frankly that's an embarrassment. The old Apple released more quality products in a calendar year.
Hmmm — and how much profit did you miss out on with the rise of Apple's stock in the last 9 months? Now THAT's embarassing!
Yup. Typical dumb analyst talk.
Who knew that $37 billion would be "uneventful".
Apple Profits up 12% for the Quarter.
Google Profits up 5.8% for the Quarter.
Samsung Profits DOWN 25%.
So again. Who's winning?
I think your fingers were typing faster than your brain could think.
The old Apple, as you say, pre-iPhone, under SJ, had iPods and Macs.
Today's Apple has far more products. iPods, iPhones, Macs, iPads.
As far as not releasing anything, what would you call this year's WWDC? I call it major breakthrough which will keep Apple at the top for many more years to come. No shiny new toys were announced but still laying the foundations for the future.
Have you also given any thought as to why in the past iPhones were released in late summer and iPads in February.
Have you thought of manufacturing capacity?
I guess you haven't.
They did? when?
Apple has steadily released a New/Updated iPhone each year. That is always the given. iPads not every year. Mac's either get Hardware upgrades or a refresh, depending on how far along they are in the product cycle. New OS's for both Mac and iOS each year. So whats left ATV? Those hardware updates have been few and far between. If we are talking new product categories those have spans of 5+ years between launches. So... nothing different then what has occurred in the past.
As far as Analysis being uneasy about next quarters guidance, why? The next quarter ends Sept 30th and sales are always dependent on when the iPhone is released. Typically, the bulk of sales will occur in the following Qtr (End Dec 31st). That is holiday shopping and when the bulk of these next products are due to be released. I would think that sales are down for iPads this past Quarter for those awaiting a possible hardware refresh and TouchID. Especially those who may have purchased a 5S or are waiting the upgrade to a 6, so that they have usage consistency across all devices. Again, this won't possibly effect sales until 4th qtr.
The profits they turn on products that are older than the competition's offerings are nothing short of amazing, and speak to the quality of and demand for those products.
Analysts be damned, but they are not the only ones that see Apple as ignoring existing parts of their product line, or forging any new ventures into new product lines.
The Mac lineup has seen nothing of significance in 2014.
The AppleTV is full of potential, and long overdue for some treatment.
The iWatch doesn't exist, and probably will not in 2014.
iPhone and iOS updates are coming as expected, but they are the lifeline of the entire company..if they weren't coming, there would be panic in the streets.
iPad is going strong, but will need some new life breathed into it to drive upgrades. New customer sales of iPad aren't enough to drive growth of the category.
CarPlay isn't much of an initiative worth talking about, as it will probably be replaced by something else before it ever sees widespread usage. (read: Usage not the same as Deployment or Planned Deployment).
OS X seeing a step forward with Yosemite, but the lack of polish on it at this stage of development and the promise of Photos.app not until 2015 makes it look like a second class citizen. Honestly, I'm really bothered and concerned by Photos not coming until 2015. Calls into question a lot about their ability to get things done, and resources they can dedicate to multiple projects.
If I missed anything please let me know.
If I didn't clarify, I'm not concerned about how much money Apple is making. No one in their right mind would be. What concerns me is whether or not Apple is doing the best it could be doing in all areas of its business.