I have a 2nd machine just for this kind of testing... installed no problem just now.
First impression is there are some very needed tweaks to the UI; I find it a bit awkward and even distracting (especially with the transparency- I thought my display had a problem until I remembered that it is my iMac that is actually fine). Some color usage is odd to me, but I need more time.
My opinion may change over time. (Sadly, though, it did not with iOS7, so I don't know).
It doesn't look THAT much different than my Mavericks set-up, but there are certainly some differences in the UI. I have not noticed the translucency of the menus that much, but there is definitely a more "easy" overall look.
A few things work differently. I had to Bing to figure out how to turn on the Dashboard for instance (Settings --> Mission Control). I still haven't completely figured out the new Dock. And I am not 100% sure of how I feel about the new Spotlight (Big box in the middle of the screen).
Otherwise, though, it's working great. I really like the new look of Mail, for example. iTunes 12 seems to be pretty much like 11, but I haven't spent a lot of time with it. Etc. Etc.
I dig it, and have yet to have any real (non-self-inclifted) problems.
the most i have been able to download is a bit over 2gb, then the sodding thing restarts. sometimes it says i cannot get it. been like this for 5 hours.
And here come 10,000 morons who install this and then whine about things being broken.
I hope beyond hope that those 10,000 "morons" as you say, submit a bug report. If they do, then I'll be happy that those so called "morons" are using it. If they don't, then the project failed.
After an hour of use, I can say again there are some major tweaks needed to the UI. I find it difficult to see sometimes.
The translucency is a useless, gimmicky goop that is more irritant than anything else. Put a couple of windows atop of each other and it gets messy, fast. Overall, it makes it difficult to see what is being focuses on. I honestly cannot believe they let this out of the lab. The menu bars are also unbalanced visually and the RYG dots are not great.
In its current state, this OS is not going near my main machines.
After an hour os use, I can say again there are some major tweaks needed to the UI. I find it difficult to see sometimes.
The translucency is a useless, gimmicky goop that is more irritant than anything else. Put a couple of windows atop of each other and it gets messy, fast. Overall, it makes it difficult to see what is being focuses on. I honestly cannot believe they let this out of the lab.
They made a specific app for feedback. Although, with the ability to have as many "desktops" as you want, why are you placing everything over something else?
I hope beyond hope that those 10,000 "morons" as you say, submit a bug report. If they do, then I'll be happy that those so called "morons" are using it. If they don't, then the project failed.
If they know what bug reports are, they’re not the morons of which I’m speaking.
They made a specific app for feedback. Although, with the ability to have as many "desktops" as you want, why are you placing everything over something else?
I will be giving feedback after I have had a little more time.
I am just doing things the way I always have; there are times I change desktops (Spaces is a great friend, and I have dual displays) but there are times when I just shove lots of things on to a single desktop because it's easier to work with that way.
I also use my iMac as a display (10.10 is on a mini) and thus can switch instantly between screens using 10.9 and 10.0. Makes the differences even more stark.
I will be giving feedback after I have had a little more time.
I am just doing things the way I always have; there are times I change desktops (Spaces is a great friend, and I have dual displays) but there are times when I just shove lots of things on to a single desktop because it's easier to work with that way.
I also use my iMac as a display (10.10 is on a mini) and thus can switch instantly between screens using 10.9 and 10.0. Makes the differences even more stark.
This may be a silly question, but have you used "hot corners" for Spaces? It's extremely fast, and once you get used to it you can't imagine a computer without it.
So kind. Thanks for your support! Any consideration for a differing opinion? Or, why would they put out a beta if they don't want feedback? Is everyone supposed to just ooh and aww over it and slobber and say it's the best thing we've ever seen?
In it's current form, there is no non-translucent setting I could find. I am not a programmer, just a user, so I can't go throughout the code. I just want to use it. I know it is a beta and that things will be tweaked; I truly hope they improve the UI, fast. I am back on my iMac now and have stopped blinking as much; I do not know what was causing it. Yes, some things like eye irritation can manifest quickly; iOS7 caused some users to fall ill with vertigo in seconds.
As I said, I think it needs a lot of work, visually. My opinion is my opinion, and may be different from the majority. I dunno. I do know that some of my initial reactions to iOS7 were correct and know that some, but not enough, were actually fixed by Apple. Those fixes should have been there from the start, before it was released. A beta test is, I assume, for this purpose, and I will be giving my feedback to Apple. If others here don't agree with my opinion, so what.
Tallest Skil has been on my ignore list for a long time. If I make his list of "morons" I don't know if I would be embarrassed.
So kind. Thanks for your support! Any consideration for a differing opinion? Or, why would they put out a beta if they don't want feedback? Is everyone supposed to just ooh and aww over it and slobber and say it's the best thing we've ever seen?
In it's current form, there is no non-translucent setting I could find. I am not a programmer, just a user, so I can't go throughout the code. I just want to use it. I know it is a beta and that things will be tweaked; I truly hope they improve the UI, fast. I am back on my iMac now and have stopped blinking as much; I do not know what was causing it. Yes, some things like eye irritation can manifest quickly; iOS7 caused some users to fall ill with vertigo in seconds.
As I said, I think it needs a lot of work, visually. My opinion is my opinion, and may be different from the majority. I dunno. I do know that some of my initial reactions to iOS7 were correct and know that some, but not enough, were actually fixed by Apple. Those fixes should have been there from the start, before it was released. A beta test is, I assume, for this purpose, and I will be giving my feedback to Apple. If others here don't agree with my opinion, so what.
Tallest Skil has been on my ignore list for a long time. If I make his list of "morons" I don't know if I would be embarrassed.
If you have read any of my other post, you know I'm not a fanatic. There truly is no translucency to "Goobly Gook" everything. I just don't get what your posting.
I had to sign up to put Tallest Skill on my ignore list. Then I started reading his posts. Other than being rude in some instances he's not always wrong.
The translucency is a useless, gimmicky goop that is more irritant than anything else.
1) You can reduce the transparency as well add some contrast to objects in System Preferences » Accessibility » Display. Note that I types in 'trans' for transparency to get the Preferences app to show me where it's located.
2) A UI can be broken or unexpected, especially if the user interface isn't easy to use.
So kind. Thanks for your support! Any consideration for a differing opinion? Or, why would they put out a beta if they don't want feedback? Is everyone supposed to just ooh and aww over it and slobber and say it's the best thing we've ever seen?
In it's current form, there is no non-translucent setting I could find. I am not a programmer, just a user, so I can't go throughout the code. I just want to use it. I know it is a beta and that things will be tweaked; I truly hope they improve the UI, fast. I am back on my iMac now and have stopped blinking as much; I do not know what was causing it. Yes, some things like eye irritation can manifest quickly; iOS7 caused some users to fall ill with vertigo in seconds.
As I said, I think it needs a lot of work, visually. My opinion is my opinion, and may be different from the majority. I dunno. I do know that some of my initial reactions to iOS7 were correct and know that some, but not enough, were actually fixed by Apple. Those fixes should have been there from the start, before it was released. A beta test is, I assume, for this purpose, and I will be giving my feedback to Apple. If others here don't agree with my opinion, so what.
Tallest Skil has been on my ignore list for a long time. If I make his list of "morons" I don't know if I would be embarrassed.
So far I cannot replicate your "Gobbly Gook" experience. Perhaps we have different settings. Seems extremely stable. I'm running it through it's paces right now. I'm more concerned with Screen Sharing. It's performing quite well. It's even working with some Apple a TV's that I purposely haven't updated in over a year. So far I have nothing bad to say about it.
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I have a 2nd machine just for this kind of testing... installed no problem just now.
First impression is there are some very needed tweaks to the UI; I find it a bit awkward and even distracting (especially with the transparency- I thought my display had a problem until I remembered that it is my iMac that is actually fine). Some color usage is odd to me, but I need more time.
My opinion may change over time. (Sadly, though, it did not with iOS7, so I don't know).
Will have a good go later today.
So a few hours in ...
It doesn't look THAT much different than my Mavericks set-up, but there are certainly some differences in the UI. I have not noticed the translucency of the menus that much, but there is definitely a more "easy" overall look.
A few things work differently. I had to Bing to figure out how to turn on the Dashboard for instance (Settings --> Mission Control). I still haven't completely figured out the new Dock. And I am not 100% sure of how I feel about the new Spotlight (Big box in the middle of the screen).
Otherwise, though, it's working great. I really like the new look of Mail, for example. iTunes 12 seems to be pretty much like 11, but I haven't spent a lot of time with it. Etc. Etc.
I dig it, and have yet to have any real (non-self-inclifted) problems.
the most i have been able to download is a bit over 2gb, then the sodding thing restarts. sometimes it says i cannot get it. been like this for 5 hours.
Look in Software Updates. Purchases. I got the redeemed message and found it there.
I hope beyond hope that those 10,000 "morons" as you say, submit a bug report. If they do, then I'll be happy that those so called "morons" are using it. If they don't, then the project failed.
After an hour of use, I can say again there are some major tweaks needed to the UI. I find it difficult to see sometimes.
The translucency is a useless, gimmicky goop that is more irritant than anything else. Put a couple of windows atop of each other and it gets messy, fast. Overall, it makes it difficult to see what is being focuses on. I honestly cannot believe they let this out of the lab. The menu bars are also unbalanced visually and the RYG dots are not great.
In its current state, this OS is not going near my main machines.
They made a specific app for feedback. Although, with the ability to have as many "desktops" as you want, why are you placing everything over something else?
If they know what bug reports are, they’re not the morons of which I’m speaking.
They made a specific app for feedback. Although, with the ability to have as many "desktops" as you want, why are you placing everything over something else?
I will be giving feedback after I have had a little more time.
I am just doing things the way I always have; there are times I change desktops (Spaces is a great friend, and I have dual displays) but there are times when I just shove lots of things on to a single desktop because it's easier to work with that way.
I also use my iMac as a display (10.10 is on a mini) and thus can switch instantly between screens using 10.9 and 10.0. Makes the differences even more stark.
Touché my friend. Touché!
Edit: In English: Well Said!
The feedback app says:
Please let us know about anything that seems broken or unexpected.
Doesn't sound like they want much feedback on design, but I will try.
I have started blinking a lot since using 10.10.
This may be a silly question, but have you used "hot corners" for Spaces? It's extremely fast, and once you get used to it you can't imagine a computer without it.
You used it for an hour! I haven't gone through the code yet, but there's no reason for a non translucent version.
I'm chalking one up to Tallest Skill. That's 9,999 more to go.
I had to Bing to figure out how to </snip>
I like how you said that. Trying to go cold turkey on all things Google I see!
Two more years and every search engine will have that capability.
So kind. Thanks for your support! Any consideration for a differing opinion? Or, why would they put out a beta if they don't want feedback? Is everyone supposed to just ooh and aww over it and slobber and say it's the best thing we've ever seen?
In it's current form, there is no non-translucent setting I could find. I am not a programmer, just a user, so I can't go throughout the code. I just want to use it. I know it is a beta and that things will be tweaked; I truly hope they improve the UI, fast. I am back on my iMac now and have stopped blinking as much; I do not know what was causing it. Yes, some things like eye irritation can manifest quickly; iOS7 caused some users to fall ill with vertigo in seconds.
As I said, I think it needs a lot of work, visually. My opinion is my opinion, and may be different from the majority. I dunno. I do know that some of my initial reactions to iOS7 were correct and know that some, but not enough, were actually fixed by Apple. Those fixes should have been there from the start, before it was released. A beta test is, I assume, for this purpose, and I will be giving my feedback to Apple. If others here don't agree with my opinion, so what.
Tallest Skil has been on my ignore list for a long time. If I make his list of "morons" I don't know if I would be embarrassed.
If you have read any of my other post, you know I'm not a fanatic. There truly is no translucency to "Goobly Gook" everything. I just don't get what your posting.
I had to sign up to put Tallest Skill on my ignore list. Then I started reading his posts. Other than being rude in some instances he's not always wrong.
1) You can reduce the transparency as well add some contrast to objects in System Preferences » Accessibility » Display. Note that I types in 'trans' for transparency to get the Preferences app to show me where it's located.
2) A UI can be broken or unexpected, especially if the user interface isn't easy to use.
So far I cannot replicate your "Gobbly Gook" experience. Perhaps we have different settings. Seems extremely stable. I'm running it through it's paces right now. I'm more concerned with Screen Sharing. It's performing quite well. It's even working with some Apple a TV's that I purposely haven't updated in over a year. So far I have nothing bad to say about it.
Next week I'll look at the code.
1) You can reduce the transparency as well add some contrast to objects in System Preferences » Accessibility » Display.
2) A UI can be broken or unexpected, especially if it's not user interface isn't easy to use.
1 - Will look at that later. I do like the settings for icon size; there is some interesting stuff yet for me to discover.
2 - True. I consider it that way. Will others?