Find me a single person who uses a 3 year old chromebook. My guess is most of them will break or be so obsolete in 1 year.
iPad4 is $399 - will last 3 years
Chromebook is $249 - will last 1 year, maybe 2.
And don't forget the cost of implementing new Chromebooks each year.
You get what you pay for.
Simply not true, I still have the original CR-48, looks and runs like the day I got it. My children have an HP Chromebook 11, have you seen these things, you could toss it across the room without incident. Almost every laptop manufacturer is or will start producing Chromebooks, you cannot sum them all up as a whole, Lenovo for instance makes one that will easily last 7 plus years. You are just presuming without any hard data to prove your analysis.
Do you really think this will only last two years, yea woops, your data on the Chromebook is dated II recommend you go back and do a little more research;
The CTL Education Chromebook is a fast, secure and simple solution with everything built in.
This Hassle-free laptop is ready to go out of the box with no software to install. Its rugged design is great for students and people on the go. The CTL Education Chromebook features a fan-less design. Users can expect an average of up to 9.5 hours of battery life. Built for the classroom, and great for business or home use, files and settings are stored in the cloud so they can easily be shared and accessed from any device. Teachers can have the ability to control student Chrome browsers, access all students work, oversee student communications and monitor real-time student activity feeds. Built-in virus protection, multiple layers of security and verified boot ensures safety and privacy.
Rugged Design for Students and Commuters.
When dropped on a side or corner, the plastic bumper hits the ground first, protecting the LED Screen. Reinforced ports, water-resistant keyboard, a non-slip texture and low-profile carry handle make this the ideal laptop for children and commuters. Other features include an anti-reflective screen minimizes glare under fluorescent lights and near windows, and ergonomic keyboard with anti-peel keys and an easy-to-use interface.
Please tell me how I can purchase some of Google's cache of personal information. If I can purchase some then I would agree with you, otherwise I will stick with my current belief that Google does not sell the personal info they collect. I work with Google adwords, adsense and analytics on my websites and I have not found any offers to buy, sell, rent, or view personal information for free or fee. I'm just curious what proof you have for your allegations.
There are hundreds if not thousands of unethical data brokers who do sell your personal information. I just don't think Google is one of them.
Life can be so cruel! I'm struttin' my cocky ol' rooster jig, and getting totally dissed in style by a longboarding pig! Surfin' used to be my religion of choice until I discovered _______ ?
Humour and laughter: life's only free drug as long as it's at yourself.
[VIDEO]
That's really funny!
That's no ordinary pig -- that's Kama Pua'a -- a God of Hawaiian legend.
One of Lucy and my favorite songs was: Ho'okupu Kama Pua'a performed by the Kahumoku Brothers.
I tried to find it on the iTunes store ... Only found stuff about Kamasutra ... Wasn't what I was looking for ... Disappointed ...
Life can be so cruel! I'm struttin' my cocky ol' rooster jig, and getting totally dissed in style by a longboarding pig! Surfin' used to be my religion of choice until I discovered _______ ?
Humour and laughter: life's only free drug as long as it's at yourself.
Find me a single person who uses a 3 year old chromebook. My guess is most of them will break or be so obsolete in 1 year.
iPad4 is $399 - will last 3 years
Chromebook is $249 - will last 1 year, maybe 2.
And don't forget the cost of implementing new Chromebooks each year.
You get what you pay for.
This is your assertion. Clearly not the experience of the companies and educational boards that are actually deploying these things. Just saying.
They are finding the cost savings in them. Or they'd be deploying iPads if they were cheaper. I really doubt they'd be shy to deploy iPads with keyboards if they weren't more expensive.
Also, you should note, that when implementing something like this, you have to think of the whole cost up and down that IT service including device management, app licenses, etc. Getting rid of MS Office and going to Google Apps alone, would save them a ton of money and allow the students to log on when they don't have their Chromebooks with them. Let alone the easy management (less IT staff required).
And where do you get the idea that the thing becomes obsolete? It's essentially a web machine. Does the browser on your iPhone or iPad become obsolete after a year?
It's not anywhere as fast as an iPad or an iMac to be sure. But for the basic functions that students at that age have to regularly undertake, it's more than adequate. For any sort of specialty function (say music or video apps), you can have dedicated iPads for just those classes (in effect shared by many students).
In a world where budgets were unlimited, you could handout an iPad Mini and a Macbook Air to ever grade schooler. In real life, this would bankrupt most schools boards.
I could see universities going the same way too. Google Apps are getting popular in the university realm. And if you're a BA student, you really don't need anything more than a web browser and a word processor. For those rare moments, otherwise, you use the shared lab with more capable machines. That's much more cost-effective for students and schools.
If Apple wants to keep playing in education markets, it'll have to find a way to sell for cheaper, a strategy that it's just not used to. Otherwise, it's simply time to admit that this is not a market that suits Apple's business interests anymore. Nothing wrong with that.
Woz's Mom Margaret died recently a very nice lady with a great sense of humor:
[QUOTE] Mark Wozniak, 59, Margaret's youngest child, laughed as he recalled his mom not liking or trusting a young layabout, Steve Jobs. He didn't shower, went barefoot and appeared to be "a bad influence" on her Steve.
"My mom commonly referred to him as 'Steve Job-less,' and she didn't think he was going to amount to anything," Mark said, laughing. [/QUOTE]
I give you this one thought to keep - I am with you still - I do not sleep. I am a thousand winds that blow, I am the diamond glints on snow, I am the sunlight on ripened grain, I am the gentle autumn rain.
When you awaken in the morning's hush, I am the swift, uplifting rush of quiet birds in circled flight. I am the soft stars that shine at night.
Do not think of me as gone - I am with you still - in each new dawn.
So why did you just buy a new Chromebook if these were still good?
Are you some kind of chromebook reseller? Ive never meet anyone who was so excited about a POS computer.
Now you are saying they will last 7 years. Lol.
Chromebooks are slightly better than netbooks.
What, where did you get that from, I've had the same Chromebook for about a year, a Pixel and each of my kids each have an HP from school, then we have a Chromebox in the living room and one upstairs in the master. That's it and I get excited about all technology. What I don't understand is your need to barate people for liking something you don't, let it go, don't like it, don't use it, simple. We don't need post after post on how crappy the Chromebook or Google is, we get it, move on.
This is your assertion. Clearly not the experience of the companies and educational boards that are actually deploying these things. Just saying.
They are finding the cost savings in them. Or they'd be deploying iPads if they were cheaper. I really doubt they'd be shy to deploy iPads with keyboards if they weren't more expensive.
Also, you should note, that when implementing something like this, you have to think of the whole cost up and down that IT service including device management, app licenses, etc. Getting rid of MS Office and going to Google Apps alone, would save them a ton of money and allow the students to log on when they don't have their Chromebooks with them. Let alone the easy management (less IT staff required).
And where do you get the idea that the thing becomes obsolete? It's essentially a web machine. Does the browser on your iPhone or iPad become obsolete after a year?
It's not anywhere as fast as an iPad or an iMac to be sure. But for the basic functions that students at that age have to regularly undertake, it's more than adequate. For any sort of specialty function (say music or video apps), you can have dedicated iPads for just those classes (in effect shared by many students).
In a world where budgets were unlimited, you could handout an iPad Mini and a Macbook Air to ever grade schooler. In real life, this would bankrupt most schools boards.
I could see universities going the same way too. Google Apps are getting popular in the university realm. And if you're a BA student, you really don't need anything more than a web browser and a word processor. For those rare moments, otherwise, you use the shared lab with more capable machines. That's much more cost-effective for students and schools.
If Apple wants to keep playing in education markets, it'll have to find a way to sell for cheaper, a strategy that it's just not used to. Otherwise, it's simply time to admit that this is not a market that suits Apple's business interests anymore. Nothing wrong with that.
Good post, actually the current Chromebooks are faster then an iPad, Intel Haswell vs. ARM.
Find me a single person who uses a 3 year old chromebook. My guess is most of them will break or be so obsolete in 1 year.
iPad4 is $399 - will last 3 years
Chromebook is $249 - will last 1 year, maybe 2.
And don't forget the cost of implementing new Chromebooks each year.
You get what you pay for.
This is your assertion. Clearly not the experience of the companies and educational boards that are actually deploying these things. Just saying.
They are finding the cost savings in them. Or they'd be deploying iPads if they were cheaper. I really doubt they'd be shy to deploy iPads with keyboards if they weren't more expensive.
Also, you should note, that when implementing something like this, you have to think of the whole cost up and down that IT service including device management, app licenses, etc. Getting rid of MS Office and going to Google Apps alone, would save them a ton of money and allow the students to log on when they don't have their Chromebooks with them. Let alone the easy management (less IT staff required).
And where do you get the idea that the thing becomes obsolete? It's essentially a web machine. Does the browser on your iPhone or iPad become obsolete after a year?
It's not anywhere as fast as an iPad or an iMac to be sure. But for the basic functions that students at that age have to regularly undertake, it's more than adequate. For any sort of specialty function (say music or video apps), you can have dedicated iPads for just those classes (in effect shared by many students).
In a world where budgets were unlimited, you could handout an iPad Mini and a Macbook Air to ever grade schooler. In real life, this would bankrupt most schools boards.
I could see universities going the same way too. Google Apps are getting popular in the university realm. And if you're a BA student, you really don't need anything more than a web browser and a word processor. For those rare moments, otherwise, you use the shared lab with more capable machines. That's much more cost-effective for students and schools.
If Apple wants to keep playing in education markets, it'll have to find a way to sell for cheaper, a strategy that it's just not used to. Otherwise, it's simply time to admit that this is not a market that suits Apple's business interests anymore. Nothing wrong with that.
Reasoned post -- with very good points!
I suspect that Apple will find a way to compete -- but it won't be on price.
We are just a few years away from when a user will be able to easily tell the machine what it wants it to do -- and the machine will create the apps and interconnections necessary in response ... Think of it as a Siri-driven HyperCard on steroids.
In the meanwhile, i expect we'll see some pretty compelling iPads.
One last point I'd make is the advance of technology will only make this worse for Apple.
Look at the Chromebook PIxel. Imagine an updated version of that available for $300. It won't happen for a few years. But it will happen.
I stand by my assertion. Either Apple figures out a way to compete on cost (use several generations old iPad?), or it finds a way to justify to every schoolboard why iPads are more effective teaching tools (some combination of proprietary apps), or it quits the education market (as far as marketing to school boards is concerned).
I'd caveat this by saying, it's not that Apple will lose all sales in education. Just that Apple products will be relegated to the niche role. iPads will be shared resources in different classes. Specialized labs with iMacs will be there in universities when students need to use special software while their Chromebook becomes their daily driver. Etc.
Sounds very unusual. I mean they can use iPad on the go, in the car, while eating at a restaurant (with the plate in front of them), more user friendly, also the keyboard is fine. It sounds a little too much for me, I don't believe all of it.
Life can be so cruel! I'm struttin' my cocky ol' rooster jig, and getting totally dissed in style by a longboarding pig! Surfin' used to be my religion of choice until I discovered _______ ?
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Life can be so cruel! I'm struttin' my cocky ol' rooster jig, and getting totally dissed in style by a longboarding pig! Surfin' used to be my religion of choice until I discovered _______ ?
Humour and laughter: life's only free drug as long as it's at yourself.
Ah, surf and turf.
I wanted a pig (with apple) for my wedding. Alas, it wasn't to be.
When you reaffirm your vows, do so at The Mauna Kea Beach hotel ... One of the most beautiful spots in the world -- and yes, they have pig roasts.
I try and do that every day, so whilst I may be a pig and a glutton for punishment, even I would baulk at a daily pig roast. But I hope to check out that hotel one day!
@PhilBoogie - well that's a mighty fine pickle ya got us into! Now I've been Voodoo roasted, serenaded by a Dick whose timing Relic fails to appreciate (you're being too sweet!), and between Benji still wanting an Apple and sog35 still trying to slay the Anti-Christ aka Google Borg... I think we've all been schooled and surely far more doomed than Apple at this point!
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A chomebook is not going to last 3 years.
Find me a single person who uses a 3 year old chromebook. My guess is most of them will break or be so obsolete in 1 year.
iPad4 is $399 - will last 3 years
Chromebook is $249 - will last 1 year, maybe 2.
And don't forget the cost of implementing new Chromebooks each year.
You get what you pay for.
Simply not true, I still have the original CR-48, looks and runs like the day I got it. My children have an HP Chromebook 11, have you seen these things, you could toss it across the room without incident. Almost every laptop manufacturer is or will start producing Chromebooks, you cannot sum them all up as a whole, Lenovo for instance makes one that will easily last 7 plus years. You are just presuming without any hard data to prove your analysis.
Do you really think this will only last two years, yea woops, your data on the Chromebook is dated II recommend you go back and do a little more research;
The CTL Education Chromebook is a fast, secure and simple solution with everything built in.
This Hassle-free laptop is ready to go out of the box with no software to install. Its rugged design is great for students and people on the go. The CTL Education Chromebook features a fan-less design. Users can expect an average of up to 9.5 hours of battery life. Built for the classroom, and great for business or home use, files and settings are stored in the cloud so they can easily be shared and accessed from any device. Teachers can have the ability to control student Chrome browsers, access all students work, oversee student communications and monitor real-time student activity feeds. Built-in virus protection, multiple layers of security and verified boot ensures safety and privacy.
Rugged Design for Students and Commuters.
When dropped on a side or corner, the plastic bumper hits the ground first, protecting the LED Screen. Reinforced ports, water-resistant keyboard, a non-slip texture and low-profile carry handle make this the ideal laptop for children and commuters. Other features include an anti-reflective screen minimizes glare under fluorescent lights and near windows, and ergonomic keyboard with anti-peel keys and an easy-to-use interface.
I would say definitely not.
Please tell me how I can purchase some of Google's cache of personal information. If I can purchase some then I would agree with you, otherwise I will stick with my current belief that Google does not sell the personal info they collect. I work with Google adwords, adsense and analytics on my websites and I have not found any offers to buy, sell, rent, or view personal information for free or fee. I'm just curious what proof you have for your allegations.
There are hundreds if not thousands of unethical data brokers who do sell your personal information. I just don't think Google is one of them.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-data-brokers-selling-your-personal-information/
ppppsssstttt, you want to buy some user data?
Haven't seen that before, only this €90 thingy:
http://store-eur.leapmotion.com
edit: I believe @Dick Applebaum bought one.[/quote
Nope!
So much build up only to end in disappointment, thanks a lot Dick.
So how does Google make money then?
http://www.investopedia.com/stock-analysis/2012/what-does-google-actually-make-money-from-goog1121.aspx
You are one who claims to be the expert in reading corporate financial reports. You should already know this stuff.
That's really funny!
That's no ordinary pig -- that's Kama Pua'a -- a God of Hawaiian legend.
One of Lucy and my favorite songs was: Ho'okupu Kama Pua'a performed by the Kahumoku Brothers.
I tried to find it on the iTunes store ... Only found stuff about Kamasutra ... Wasn't what I was looking for ... Disappointed ...
So I put the song up on my web server:
http://99.7.142.197/01 Ho'okupu Kama Pua'a.mp3
If you're interested here's the legend of Kama Pua'a:
http://www.coffeetimes.com/kamapuaa.htm
I don't want the data. I just want to know if it is possible to buy it from Google. Seriously, who do I contact at Google to arrange to buy some data?
1. Maybe not that much wrong with my memory
2. Time spent much better on Swift. I like reading your findings on that software and its capabilities.
3. For some strange reason it is fun to digitise vinyl. For those that do like to do so, there's always Fun With Vinyl.
Life can be so cruel! I'm struttin' my cocky ol' rooster jig, and getting totally dissed in style by a longboarding pig! Surfin' used to be my religion of choice until I discovered _______ ?
Humour and laughter: life's only free drug as long as it's at yourself.
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I wanted a pig (with apple) for my wedding. Alas, it wasn't to be (the pig, that is, not the wedding).
A chomebook is not going to last 3 years.
Find me a single person who uses a 3 year old chromebook. My guess is most of them will break or be so obsolete in 1 year.
iPad4 is $399 - will last 3 years
Chromebook is $249 - will last 1 year, maybe 2.
And don't forget the cost of implementing new Chromebooks each year.
You get what you pay for.
This is your assertion. Clearly not the experience of the companies and educational boards that are actually deploying these things. Just saying.
They are finding the cost savings in them. Or they'd be deploying iPads if they were cheaper. I really doubt they'd be shy to deploy iPads with keyboards if they weren't more expensive.
Also, you should note, that when implementing something like this, you have to think of the whole cost up and down that IT service including device management, app licenses, etc. Getting rid of MS Office and going to Google Apps alone, would save them a ton of money and allow the students to log on when they don't have their Chromebooks with them. Let alone the easy management (less IT staff required).
And where do you get the idea that the thing becomes obsolete? It's essentially a web machine. Does the browser on your iPhone or iPad become obsolete after a year?
It's not anywhere as fast as an iPad or an iMac to be sure. But for the basic functions that students at that age have to regularly undertake, it's more than adequate. For any sort of specialty function (say music or video apps), you can have dedicated iPads for just those classes (in effect shared by many students).
In a world where budgets were unlimited, you could handout an iPad Mini and a Macbook Air to ever grade schooler. In real life, this would bankrupt most schools boards.
I could see universities going the same way too. Google Apps are getting popular in the university realm. And if you're a BA student, you really don't need anything more than a web browser and a word processor. For those rare moments, otherwise, you use the shared lab with more capable machines. That's much more cost-effective for students and schools.
If Apple wants to keep playing in education markets, it'll have to find a way to sell for cheaper, a strategy that it's just not used to. Otherwise, it's simply time to admit that this is not a market that suits Apple's business interests anymore. Nothing wrong with that.
[QUOTE] Mark Wozniak, 59, Margaret's youngest child, laughed as he recalled his mom not liking or trusting a young layabout, Steve Jobs. He didn't shower, went barefoot and appeared to be "a bad influence" on her Steve.
"My mom commonly referred to him as 'Steve Job-less,' and she didn't think he was going to amount to anything," Mark said, laughing.
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http://technews.tmcnet.com/news/2014/08/07/7961403.htm
Good thoughts to her family and friends:
Native American Prayer
I give you this one thought to keep - I am with you still - I do not sleep.
I am a thousand winds that blow,
I am the diamond glints on snow,
I am the sunlight on ripened grain,
I am the gentle autumn rain.
When you awaken in the morning's hush, I am the swift, uplifting rush of quiet birds in circled flight.
I am the soft stars that shine at night.
Do not think of me as gone - I am with you still - in each new dawn.
So why did you just buy a new Chromebook if these were still good?
Are you some kind of chromebook reseller? Ive never meet anyone who was so excited about a POS computer.
Now you are saying they will last 7 years. Lol.
Chromebooks are slightly better than netbooks.
What, where did you get that from, I've had the same Chromebook for about a year, a Pixel and each of my kids each have an HP from school, then we have a Chromebox in the living room and one upstairs in the master. That's it and I get excited about all technology. What I don't understand is your need to barate people for liking something you don't, let it go, don't like it, don't use it, simple. We don't need post after post on how crappy the Chromebook or Google is, we get it, move on.
This is your assertion. Clearly not the experience of the companies and educational boards that are actually deploying these things. Just saying.
They are finding the cost savings in them. Or they'd be deploying iPads if they were cheaper. I really doubt they'd be shy to deploy iPads with keyboards if they weren't more expensive.
Also, you should note, that when implementing something like this, you have to think of the whole cost up and down that IT service including device management, app licenses, etc. Getting rid of MS Office and going to Google Apps alone, would save them a ton of money and allow the students to log on when they don't have their Chromebooks with them. Let alone the easy management (less IT staff required).
And where do you get the idea that the thing becomes obsolete? It's essentially a web machine. Does the browser on your iPhone or iPad become obsolete after a year?
It's not anywhere as fast as an iPad or an iMac to be sure. But for the basic functions that students at that age have to regularly undertake, it's more than adequate. For any sort of specialty function (say music or video apps), you can have dedicated iPads for just those classes (in effect shared by many students).
In a world where budgets were unlimited, you could handout an iPad Mini and a Macbook Air to ever grade schooler. In real life, this would bankrupt most schools boards.
I could see universities going the same way too. Google Apps are getting popular in the university realm. And if you're a BA student, you really don't need anything more than a web browser and a word processor. For those rare moments, otherwise, you use the shared lab with more capable machines. That's much more cost-effective for students and schools.
If Apple wants to keep playing in education markets, it'll have to find a way to sell for cheaper, a strategy that it's just not used to. Otherwise, it's simply time to admit that this is not a market that suits Apple's business interests anymore. Nothing wrong with that.
Good post, actually the current Chromebooks are faster then an iPad, Intel Haswell vs. ARM.
Reasoned post -- with very good points!
I suspect that Apple will find a way to compete -- but it won't be on price.
We are just a few years away from when a user will be able to easily tell the machine what it wants it to do -- and the machine will create the apps and interconnections necessary in response ... Think of it as a Siri-driven HyperCard on steroids.
In the meanwhile, i expect we'll see some pretty compelling iPads.
Look at the Chromebook PIxel. Imagine an updated version of that available for $300. It won't happen for a few years. But it will happen.
I stand by my assertion. Either Apple figures out a way to compete on cost (use several generations old iPad?), or it finds a way to justify to every schoolboard why iPads are more effective teaching tools (some combination of proprietary apps), or it quits the education market (as far as marketing to school boards is concerned).
I'd caveat this by saying, it's not that Apple will lose all sales in education. Just that Apple products will be relegated to the niche role. iPads will be shared resources in different classes. Specialized labs with iMacs will be there in universities when students need to use special software while their Chromebook becomes their daily driver. Etc.
When you reaffirm your vows, do so at The Mauna Kea Beach hotel ... One of the most beautiful spots in the world -- and yes, they have pig roasts.
Life can be so cruel! I'm struttin' my cocky ol' rooster jig, and getting totally dissed in style by a longboarding pig! Surfin' used to be my religion of choice until I discovered _______ ?
Humour and laughter: life's only free drug as long as it's at yourself.
Ah, surf and turf.
I wanted a pig (with apple) for my wedding. Alas, it wasn't to be.
When you reaffirm your vows, do so at The Mauna Kea Beach hotel ... One of the most beautiful spots in the world -- and yes, they have pig roasts.
I try and do that every day, so whilst I may be a pig and a glutton for punishment, even I would baulk at a daily pig roast. But I hope to check out that hotel one day!
@PhilBoogie - well that's a mighty fine pickle ya got us into! Now I've been Voodoo roasted, serenaded by a Dick whose timing Relic fails to appreciate (you're being too sweet!), and between Benji still wanting an Apple and sog35 still trying to slay the Anti-Christ aka Google Borg... I think we've all been schooled and surely far more doomed than Apple at this point!
Thoughts?
Mahalo and Aloha p? to all... :smokey: