It sounds like a lot of dubiously useful fluff to store a list of passwords. I'm guessing more and more are using iCloud keychain: hence the sale.
I only use iCloud keychain for a few less critical entities. For the important stuff, a password protected Numbers document on iCloud containing a list of needed log/passes is a lot more desirable than introducing another third party, 1Password, into the mix. I have no reason to suspect they aren't secure, but its just one more point of failure.
Then again, I'm the kinda guy who uses the built-in tools on max, and only go 3rd party for extras when absolutely needed. This leaves a lot of third party stuff at the door, including everything Google makes (which includes the bloatware Chrome). All this gives me a total +5 security power advantage over other nerds in this specific dork quest.
This has got to be the most unintuitive and asinine way to store and retrieve passwords I've ever heard of. Not only is it more of a pain in the ass to store and retrieve a password, it doesn't autofill it, it doesn't create complex passwords, and also requires Numbers be installed on whatever you're using.
But if it works for you I guess that all that matters.
Its an extremely popular app and is only on-sale because of the recent release of the amount of passwords stolen over the year to get people to use a real password manager that can create real passwords and if it is stolen from a site, its not a password you use everywhere else (a very common mistake by TONS of users around the world) and its very easily changed by just making 1Password recreates a complex password.
I honestly don't know of a single person that uses iCloud Keychain because of lack of actual usefulness for the reasons I've explained in the original post.
This. Why use this over Keychain? I'm curious if anybody has user feedback.
It can hold credit card details, driver licence details (with image), kids Medicare cards, software licences etc. Touch ID will make this awesome app even more awesome.
This has got to be the most unintuitive and asinine way to retrieve passwords I've ever heard of. Not only is it more of a pain in the ass to retrieve a password, it doesn't autofill it, it also requires Numbers be installed on whatever you're using.
But if it works for you I guess that all that matters.
Its an extremely popular app and is only on-sale because of the recent release of the amount of passwords stolen over the year to get people to use a real password manager that can create real passwords and if it is stolen from a site, its not a password you use everywhere else (a very common mistake by TONS of users around the world) and its very easily changed by just making 1Password recreates a complex password.
It requires Numbers to be installed?
iCloud.com - learn it, love it.
Auto-fill is insecure, I only use for trivial stuff like Appleinsider.com. I don't use it for banking, any financial transactions, communication accounts, etc. A little more hassle, yes. But so is engaging the second dead-bolt lock on my front door.
Popular is iCloud Keychain. 1Password is having a sale before the iOS8 launch. If the recent stolen password thing is anything other than hype, it's yet another fine reason not to add another entity like 1Password, and point of failure into the ways your junk can get jacked.
I only use iCloud keychain for a few less critical entities. For the important stuff, a password protected Numbers document on iCloud containing a list of needed log/passes is a lot more desirable than introducing another third party, 1Password, into the mix. I have no reason to suspect they aren't secure, but its just one more point of failure.
Then again, I'm the kinda guy who uses the built-in tools on max, and only go 3rd party for extras when absolutely needed. This leaves a lot of third party stuff at the door, including everything Google makes (which includes the bloatware Chrome). All this gives me a total +5 security power advantage over other nerds in this specific dork quest.
It can hold credit card details, driver licence details (with image), kids Medicare cards, software licences etc. Touch ID will make this awesome app even more awesome.
Pages and Numbers with iCloud does all of this too.
Pages and Numbers with iCloud does all of this too.
Its also insecure and as soon as iCloud goes down so does the ability to access all of your data. Which is why your solution isn't as great as it sounds.
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Auto-fill is insecure
Not if you're the one prompting the autofill. It doesn't just do it automatically. I think you need to learn and understand how to use the program itself before knocking its features and capabilities.
Storing your passwords in an unencrypted file in the cloud is extremely insecure. Password or not, its not secure as you think it is.
Its also insecure and as soon as iCloud goes down so does the ability to access all of your data. Which is why your solution isn't as great as it sounds.
Not if you're the one prompting the autofill. It doesn't just do it automatically. I think you need to learn and understand how to use the program itself before knocking its features and capabilities.
Storing your passwords in an unencrypted file in the cloud is extremely insecure. Password or not, its not secure as you think it is.
We get it. You prefer to use third party tools plus a few non-essential features, instead of utilizing the built-in tools to do practically the same thing. That's fantastic.
Its also insecure and as soon as iCloud goes down so does the ability to access all of your data. Which is why your solution isn't as great as it sounds.
Forgot to address this, but here you go:
Yes, the time when iCloud is most likely to 'go down' for me, is when I don't have an internet connection. At that very instant you will be 100% correct and I will be completely, permanently heartbroken when I'm not able to login onto internet things. Genius.
We get it. You prefer to use third party tools plus a few non-essential features, instead of utilizing the built-in tools to do practically the same thing. That's fantastic.
To say that these two (screenshots below) do the same is ridiculous. Many tried to explain to you that 1Password is not only password keeping utility. You can download the 30 days fully functional trial from their website and see for yourself. They are not trying to trick people into buying it.
To say that these two (screenshots below) do the same is ridiculous. Many tried to explain to you that 1Password is not only password keeping utility. You can download the 30 days fully functional trial from their website and see for yourself. They are not trying to trick people into buying it.
I never said they were trying to trick people, that's your imagination playing tricks on you.
I said it was redundant and needless (I even specified for my particular needs).
You realize passwords are just text right? You don't need a special cutesy password app to store/sort text.
With a Numbers spreadsheet you can even type whatever you want into the left hand column.
I never said they were trying to trick people, that's your imagination playing tricks on you.
I said it was redundant and needless (I even specified for my particular needs).
<span style="line-height:1.4em;">You realize passwords are just text right? You don't need a special cutesy password app to store/sort text.</span>
With a Numbers spreadsheet you can even type whatever you want into the left hand column. :smokey:
Why bother with Numbers?! Go to a stationary store and buy one of these notebooks with small lock and key and built in pencil. It will do exactly the same thing and you don't have to worry about syncing and internet!
I only use iCloud keychain for a few less critical entities. For the important stuff, a password protected Numbers document on iCloud containing a list of needed log/passes is a lot more desirable than introducing another third party, 1Password, into the mix. I have no reason to suspect they aren't secure, but its just one more point of failure.
Then again, I'm the kinda guy who uses the built-in tools on max, and only go 3rd party for extras when absolutely needed. This leaves a lot of third party stuff at the door, including everything Google makes (which includes the bloatware Chrome). All this gives me a total +5 security power advantage over other nerds in this specific dork quest.
You're right - you don't need to pay for a password tool. You can store your passwords in a spreadsheet. You know what else? You don't need to use a car to get to work - that costs money and is, in a sense, a third-party tool when compared to your feet which you could use to walk to work. I bought a car because I wanted the convenience and the speed of getting where I want to go.
I'm afraid I have to completely agree with macxpress - this sounds like the most cumbersome, inconvenient method of password management I can imagine. If you only log in to a couple of sites, and if you're the kind of person who isn't willing to pay a little money for convenience, then more power to you for using what works.
On the other hand, I currently have 317 distinct website passwords stored in 1Password and I can't even begin to fathom the hassle of wanting to log in to a site, switching to Numbers and opening a document, searching for the site, copying the login name, switching back to Safari, pasting the login name, switching back to Numbers, copying the password, switching back to Safari, and pasting the password. And if there's a secondary or tertiary authentication method (as is often the case with banks), repeating the process a third, and possibly a fourth time.
And then if I want to purchase something on a site, opening another Numbers spreadsheet or tab and repeating the process for my credit card number, my expiration date, and my verification code. No. Just. No.
Instead of all this, I open 1Password on my Mac or iOS device, type in the name of the site I want to hit, select it, click the link, and within seconds I'm logged in and doing whatever it is I needed to do. If I want to buy something, from within 1Password I hit the lock icon and navigate to my desired method of payment and select it and all of the information is entered and I'm done. Ditto for my shipping and billing address information.
Seriously, whatever works for you - but before I'd resort to storing my passwords in a spreadsheet and dealing with lots of app switching and copying and pasting, I'd bang my head against a wall. Of nails. With the pointy-sides out. After they've been left to rust. That sounds far more pleasant.
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It sounds like a lot of dubiously useful fluff to store a list of passwords. I'm guessing more and more are using iCloud keychain: hence the sale.
I only use iCloud keychain for a few less critical entities. For the important stuff, a password protected Numbers document on iCloud containing a list of needed log/passes is a lot more desirable than introducing another third party, 1Password, into the mix. I have no reason to suspect they aren't secure, but its just one more point of failure.
Then again, I'm the kinda guy who uses the built-in tools on max, and only go 3rd party for extras when absolutely needed. This leaves a lot of third party stuff at the door, including everything Google makes (which includes the bloatware Chrome). All this gives me a total +5 security power advantage over other nerds in this specific dork quest.
This has got to be the most unintuitive and asinine way to store and retrieve passwords I've ever heard of. Not only is it more of a pain in the ass to store and retrieve a password, it doesn't autofill it, it doesn't create complex passwords, and also requires Numbers be installed on whatever you're using.
But if it works for you I guess that all that matters.
Its an extremely popular app and is only on-sale because of the recent release of the amount of passwords stolen over the year to get people to use a real password manager that can create real passwords and if it is stolen from a site, its not a password you use everywhere else (a very common mistake by TONS of users around the world) and its very easily changed by just making 1Password recreates a complex password.
I honestly don't know of a single person that uses iCloud Keychain because of lack of actual usefulness for the reasons I've explained in the original post.
This has got to be the most unintuitive and asinine way to retrieve passwords I've ever heard of. Not only is it more of a pain in the ass to retrieve a password, it doesn't autofill it, it also requires Numbers be installed on whatever you're using.
But if it works for you I guess that all that matters.
Its an extremely popular app and is only on-sale because of the recent release of the amount of passwords stolen over the year to get people to use a real password manager that can create real passwords and if it is stolen from a site, its not a password you use everywhere else (a very common mistake by TONS of users around the world) and its very easily changed by just making 1Password recreates a complex password.
It requires Numbers to be installed?
iCloud.com - learn it, love it.
Auto-fill is insecure, I only use for trivial stuff like Appleinsider.com. I don't use it for banking, any financial transactions, communication accounts, etc. A little more hassle, yes. But so is engaging the second dead-bolt lock on my front door.
Popular is iCloud Keychain. 1Password is having a sale before the iOS8 launch. If the recent stolen password thing is anything other than hype, it's yet another fine reason not to add another entity like 1Password, and point of failure into the ways your junk can get jacked.
But so is engaging the second dead-bolt lock on my front door.
Wow, you must live in a really shitty neighborhood.
I only use iCloud keychain for a few less critical entities. For the important stuff, a password protected Numbers document on iCloud containing a list of needed log/passes is a lot more desirable than introducing another third party, 1Password, into the mix. I have no reason to suspect they aren't secure, but its just one more point of failure.
Then again, I'm the kinda guy who uses the built-in tools on max, and only go 3rd party for extras when absolutely needed. This leaves a lot of third party stuff at the door, including everything Google makes (which includes the bloatware Chrome). All this gives me a total +5 security power advantage over other nerds in this specific dork quest.
1Password and The Crypto Wars
http://blog.agilebits.com/2013/09/06/1password-and-the-crypto-wars/
https://discussions.agilebits.com/discussion/comment/82109
It can hold credit card details, driver licence details (with image), kids Medicare cards, software licences etc. Touch ID will make this awesome app even more awesome.
Pages and Numbers with iCloud does all of this too.
Pages and Numbers with iCloud does all of this too.
Not even remotely at the same level.
Pages and Numbers with iCloud does all of this too.
Its also insecure and as soon as iCloud goes down so does the ability to access all of your data. Which is why your solution isn't as great as it sounds.
Not if you're the one prompting the autofill. It doesn't just do it automatically. I think you need to learn and understand how to use the program itself before knocking its features and capabilities.
Storing your passwords in an unencrypted file in the cloud is extremely insecure. Password or not, its not secure as you think it is.
1Password and The Crypto Wars
http://blog.agilebits.com/2013/09/06/1password-and-the-crypto-wars/
https://discussions.agilebits.com/discussion/comment/82109
Yes, they are eager to point out that according to their press materials, their 3rd party password app is totally secure-a-riffic. Thanks for the ad.
Its also insecure and as soon as iCloud goes down so does the ability to access all of your data. Which is why your solution isn't as great as it sounds.
Not if you're the one prompting the autofill. It doesn't just do it automatically. I think you need to learn and understand how to use the program itself before knocking its features and capabilities.
Storing your passwords in an unencrypted file in the cloud is extremely insecure. Password or not, its not secure as you think it is.
iCloud is encrypted. http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4865
We get it. You prefer to use third party tools plus a few non-essential features, instead of utilizing the built-in tools to do practically the same thing. That's fantastic.
Its also insecure and as soon as iCloud goes down so does the ability to access all of your data. Which is why your solution isn't as great as it sounds.
Forgot to address this, but here you go:
Yes, the time when iCloud is most likely to 'go down' for me, is when I don't have an internet connection. At that very instant you will be 100% correct and I will be completely, permanently heartbroken when I'm not able to login onto internet things. Genius.
iCloud is encrypted. http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4865
We get it. You prefer to use third party tools plus a few non-essential features, instead of utilizing the built-in tools to do practically the same thing. That's fantastic.
No it doesn't.
No it doesn't.
Oh really I didn't realize, so obvious now.
Oh really I didn't realize, so obvious now.
Would you like to buy my 1PDF reader, 1Email Reader, 1Picture File Transfer and 1Text Editor apps too?
http://bit.ly/1spsrUD
To say that these two (screenshots below) do the same is ridiculous. Many tried to explain to you that 1Password is not only password keeping utility. You can download the 30 days fully functional trial from their website and see for yourself. They are not trying to trick people into buying it.
To say that these two (screenshots below) do the same is ridiculous. Many tried to explain to you that 1Password is not only password keeping utility. You can download the 30 days fully functional trial from their website and see for yourself. They are not trying to trick people into buying it.
I never said they were trying to trick people, that's your imagination playing tricks on you.
I said it was redundant and needless (I even specified for my particular needs).
You realize passwords are just text right? You don't need a special cutesy password app to store/sort text.
With a Numbers spreadsheet you can even type whatever you want into the left hand column.
Can anyone here help me compare 1Password to Dashlane which charges $30 for a year of similar functionality. Not sure which one is actually better.
Anyone..?
THX
Phil
Why bother with Numbers?! Go to a stationary store and buy one of these notebooks with small lock and key and built in pencil. It will do exactly the same thing and you don't have to worry about syncing and internet!
I only use iCloud keychain for a few less critical entities. For the important stuff, a password protected Numbers document on iCloud containing a list of needed log/passes is a lot more desirable than introducing another third party, 1Password, into the mix. I have no reason to suspect they aren't secure, but its just one more point of failure.
Then again, I'm the kinda guy who uses the built-in tools on max, and only go 3rd party for extras when absolutely needed. This leaves a lot of third party stuff at the door, including everything Google makes (which includes the bloatware Chrome). All this gives me a total +5 security power advantage over other nerds in this specific dork quest.
You're right - you don't need to pay for a password tool. You can store your passwords in a spreadsheet. You know what else? You don't need to use a car to get to work - that costs money and is, in a sense, a third-party tool when compared to your feet which you could use to walk to work. I bought a car because I wanted the convenience and the speed of getting where I want to go.
I'm afraid I have to completely agree with macxpress - this sounds like the most cumbersome, inconvenient method of password management I can imagine. If you only log in to a couple of sites, and if you're the kind of person who isn't willing to pay a little money for convenience, then more power to you for using what works.
On the other hand, I currently have 317 distinct website passwords stored in 1Password and I can't even begin to fathom the hassle of wanting to log in to a site, switching to Numbers and opening a document, searching for the site, copying the login name, switching back to Safari, pasting the login name, switching back to Numbers, copying the password, switching back to Safari, and pasting the password. And if there's a secondary or tertiary authentication method (as is often the case with banks), repeating the process a third, and possibly a fourth time.
And then if I want to purchase something on a site, opening another Numbers spreadsheet or tab and repeating the process for my credit card number, my expiration date, and my verification code. No. Just. No.
Instead of all this, I open 1Password on my Mac or iOS device, type in the name of the site I want to hit, select it, click the link, and within seconds I'm logged in and doing whatever it is I needed to do. If I want to buy something, from within 1Password I hit the lock icon and navigate to my desired method of payment and select it and all of the information is entered and I'm done. Ditto for my shipping and billing address information.
Seriously, whatever works for you - but before I'd resort to storing my passwords in a spreadsheet and dealing with lots of app switching and copying and pasting, I'd bang my head against a wall. Of nails. With the pointy-sides out. After they've been left to rust. That sounds far more pleasant.
I'm amazed at hoe many people forego the simplest tasks because they never thought it would happen to them. Fortune favours the prepared.
I can't decide between 1Password (and/or) Dashlane.
Thoughts anyone..?
Phil