Google is a tough one for me. I can't say that I despise or like them as a whole... and in order to stay objective, prefer to judge each part of Google separately.
That is indeed an excellent way to view Google. They certainly have their usefulness and most people with Internet access make use of one or more of their free services.
That he is... and far more eloquent than I am in making his case.
No, no, you both are eloquently putting it out. Far better than I ever could, though I have the 'advantage' of hiding behind the fact that English isn't my native language (though I ought to be good in German, but alas, I've always preferred English and didn't feel like learning German while in school - too busy with other 'things')
I'm not sure if the gist of my post got thru (on the copyright issues)
Oh it sure did. Don't know if IndyFX will give us his view on YouTube, but it is a strange 'situation' we are in. Personally I don't think it's right for Google to simply allow all uploads and ask the up loaders to respect the authors' work and copyright.
Here in NL one is only in violation when uploading copyright material, not downloading it. So, putting others' work on YouTube is a violation but people watching copyright material on YT is perfectly fine.
Personally I don't think it's right for Google to simply allow all uploads and ask the up loaders to respect the authors' work and copyright.
Here in NL one is only in violation when uploading copyright material, not downloading it. So, putting others' work on YouTube is a violation but people watching copyright material on YT is perfectly fine.
I don't think it's right either, considering they monetize it, by not only allowing it to be searched for at YouTube, but making their search services "better" by including it in both search and (later) within it's own category (under Videos).
Aside from their "clean and uncluttered approach to searching the web" rise to fame and universal usage, they've certainly become as big (and untouchable?) as they are by data-mining everything and making it a click away, including site search to specific stolen i.e. copyright infringing uploaded torrents, pictures, texts, books, etc. Sometimes by their own hands i.e. books.
I believe it is the same here in Germany... although there's still a lot of grey area cases to work there way through the courts.
A recent case brought by a law firm representing a porn co. vs. individuals streaming from a website comes to mind. The law firm lost, but it's hard to say whether streaming rights were upheld, or it was because the case, the law firm, and the company they were purporting to defend were all bogus. Company was allegedly from Relic's neck of the woods... just sayin'...
...including site search to specific stolen i.e. copyright infringing uploaded torrents, pictures, texts, books, etc. Sometimes by their own hands i.e. books.)
Wait, what? Wow, okay. I guess I'll simply close off with a 'Rock on, Google'. I'm going to spend my afternoon in the following manner:
Wait, what? Wow, okay. I guess I'll simply close off with a 'Rock on, Google'. I'm going to spend my afternoon in the following manner:
Well you have fun with your national past-time.... but what was that about "doubt"... this is about "decisions", like "do I have the right one?" and "what if I just take this one that looks like mine?" ... )))
Then again, when has every single artist ever gotten rich, no matter how talented they were? My Dad didn't want me to be an "artist" (graphic designer) and "do something with my talent" (architecture school)... because the common logic in the 70's was that you only got rich as an artist after you died. Besides living in squalor with Turpentine Asthma for the majority of your life, if you really wanted to make it big... be sure to cut off your ear, go mad, or become a homosexual before you died (Midwestern view of "art").
I leave you with those myopic quasi verbatim remarks from my not famous, beer-drinking, flag-waving, everyday bloke postman... but great... Dad... (^_^)
Edited: silly me... I forgot the most important characteristic of my beloved Dad: religious and God-FEARING!***
*** See that @Benjamin Frost? I was brought up right, just too bad I didn't stay that way, huh?
Good for your Dad. His advice re artists is as relevant now as it was in the 70s! If he's religious and God-fearing too, then he must have his head screwed on right.
As to you; if your Dad went to all the effort of bringing you up right and you've gone wrong, well, these things happen. Sometimes they can't be helped. I feel for your poor Dad. Still-it's never too late to see the light! ???? I feel you just need a bit more provocation. ????
Well you have fun with your national past-time.... but what was that about "doubt"... this is about "decisions", like "do I have the right one?"
Very accurate; I wasn't in doubt; I hardly use anything from Google. Occasionally their Street View, though I dislike the new interface but at least it doesn't require Flash anymore, so that's a plus.
...and "what if I just take this one that looks like mine?" ... )))
Ha! Amsterdam Central Station. Yep, filled with bikes, though that picture is merely from street level. They build floors for them as well:
Personally I like the newly renovated Central Station in Rotterdam more, as do many people / architecture firms / photographers et cetera:
Wow the tablet can really play high performance games well. Plug in the gamepad and away you go. Of course it's just playing catch up with the iPad that's been doing this for years.
Wow the tablet can really play high performance games well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5CdT1riUH8. Plug in the gamepad and away you go. Of course it's just playing catch up with the iPad that's been doing this for years.
It's pretty neat playing games with an Xbox 360 controller, plus with additional bonus of having a built in HDMI and wirless Miracast support, playing on a TV is a real pleasure. I like the emulators, I really enjoy the N64, Genisis and Commodore.
The Surface Pro 3 is a LAPTOP replacement, not a tablet. And it clearly OWNS the MB Air! It can even come close to competing with the MB Pro if you compared the i7, 512GB model and with it having a 2160x1440 screen, which is just a little away from the Retina Display. And btw, the Pro 3 is selling well, it's not unpopular as the RT was. Next step for Microsoft should be an in-house Surface Laptop, made by them.
That is indeed an excellent way to view Google. They certainly have their usefulness and most people with Internet access make use of one or more of their free services.
No, no, you both are eloquently putting it out. Far better than I ever could, though I have the 'advantage' of hiding behind the fact that English isn't my native language (though I ought to be good in German, but alas, I've always preferred English and didn't feel like learning German while in school - too busy with other 'things')
Oh it sure did. Don't know if IndyFX will give us his view on YouTube, but it is a strange 'situation' we are in. Personally I don't think it's right for Google to simply allow all uploads and ask the up loaders to respect the authors' work and copyright.
Here in NL one is only in violation when uploading copyright material, not downloading it. So, putting others' work on YouTube is a violation but people watching copyright material on YT is perfectly fine.
Sorry, have been out of town and didn't catch this (using the phone)
To all suggesting that it is wrong to expect (demand) return for your work, grow up. Your demanding (or taking) the proceeds of others labor for free is not charity, it is theft.
A thousand hands and millions of dollars are required to produce a film, your stealing makes that less profitable, and so less films will get made. (and it will be the marginal films (i.e. the ones that likely should be made) that fail to get funding, not the sure thing (i.e. formulaic) projects that are of little value artistically.)
PhilBoogie, on your youtube question, that is on the edge, If a person has an expectation of fair use, (i.e. when you go to a theater or rent a movie you expect that it is correctly licensed) then you can (should) only hold the up-loaders responsible not viewers (and perhaps google as well, as it would be easy for them to require proof on easily verified (think Shazam) copyrighted material, they just don't want to because they (google) only care about the protection of their own IP, every one else's is fair game ;-)
To all suggesting that it is wrong to expect (demand) return for your work, grow up. Your demanding (or taking) the proceeds of others labor for free is not charity, it is theft.
A thousand hands and millions of dollars are required to produce a film, your stealing makes that less profitable, and so less films will get made. (and it will be the marginal films (i.e. the ones that likely should be made) that fail to get funding, not the sure thing (i.e. formulaic) projects that are of little value artistically.)
Agreed
PhilBoogie, on your youtube question, that is on the edge, If a person has an expectation of fair use, (i.e. when you go to a theater or rent a movie you expect that it is correctly licensed) then you can (should) only hold the up-loaders responsible not viewers (and perhaps google as well, as it would be easy for them to require proof on easily verified (think Shazam) copyrighted material, they just don't want to because they (google) only care about the protection of their own IP, every one else's is fair game ;-)
Google shouldn't limit themselves to protect their own IP, but also the IP of owners' work on their YouTube site. (wow, poor grammar, but you get it, no?)
Google shouldn't limit themselves to protect their own IP, but also the IP of owners' work on their YouTube site. (wow, poor grammar, but you get it, no?)
Google shouldn't limit themselves to protect their own IP, but also the IP of owners' work on their YouTube site. (wow, poor grammar, but you get it, no?)
The Surface Pro 3 is a LAPTOP replacement, not a tablet. And it clearly OWNS the MB Air! It can even come close to competing with the MB Pro if you compared the i7, 512GB model and with it having a 2160x1440 screen, which is just a little away from the Retina Display. And btw, the Pro 3 is selling well, it's not unpopular as the RT was. Next step for Microsoft should be an in-house Surface Laptop, made by them.
The Surface Pro is a hybrid, marketed as a tablet and a laptop. I never understood the term, owns, if your saying it's better then the MacBook Air, well it depends on what your goals for the machine are, for programming I prefer the MacBook Air, music creation, defiantly the Surface Pro 3. If your comparing specs, the MacBook Air can be configured with exactly the same specs, i7, 8GB RAM, 512GB SSD. The screen resolution for the MacBook Air is defiantly on the low side but the next iteration hopefully will rectify that, then again I said the same thing about the current model and the previuos. Anyway, as I own both, I don't hold one above the other as I use them for completely different tasks. What you should not do though, especially here on this board, is state unequivocally that the Surface Pro 3 is the better product, you will not only loose that debate but you should no better, not to mention that it's just completely tacky. That being said though the others shouldn't bring down a product that they haven't used or have no plans of ever using, the Surface Pro 3 is a fantastic product and I will continue supporting the line and of course the same goes for the MacBook Air line.
The Surface Pro is a hybrid, marketed as a tablet and a laptop. I never understood the term, owns, if your saying it's better then the MacBook Air, well it depends on what your goals for the machine are, for programming I prefer the MacBook Air, music creation, defiantly the Surface Pro 3. If your comparing specs, the MacBook Air can be configured with exactly the same specs, i7, 8GB RAM, 512GB SSD. The screen resolution for the MacBook Air is defiantly on the low side but the next iteration hopefully will rectify that, then again I said the same thing about the current model and the previuos. Anyway, as I own both, I don't hold one above the other as I use them for completely different tasks. What you should not do though, especially here on this board, is state unequivocally that the Surface Pro 3 is the better product, you will not only loose that debate but you should no better, not to mention that it's just completely tacky. That being said though the others shouldn't bring down a product that they haven't used or have no plans of ever using, the Surface Pro 3 is a fantastic product and I will continue supporting the line and of course the same goes for the MacBook Air line.
OMG! You're back! We defiantly definitely missed you!
The Surface Pro is a hybrid, marketed as a tablet and a laptop. I never understood the term, owns, if your saying it's better then the MacBook Air, well it depends on what your goals for the machine are, for programming I prefer the MacBook Air, music creation, defiantly the Surface Pro 3. If your comparing specs, the MacBook Air can be configured with exactly the same specs, i7, 8GB RAM, 512GB SSD. The screen resolution for the MacBook Air is defiantly on the low side but the next iteration hopefully will rectify that, then again I said the same thing about the current model and the previuos. Anyway, as I own both, I don't hold one above the other as I use them for completely different tasks. What you should not do though, especially here on this board, is state unequivocally that the Surface Pro 3 is the better product, you will not only loose that debate but you should no better, not to mention that it's just completely tacky. That being said though the others shouldn't bring down a product that they haven't used or have no plans of ever using, the Surface Pro 3 is a fantastic product and I will continue supporting the line and of course the same goes for the MacBook Air line.
Ok you can configure it that way if you want, but honestly who would pay $1749 (I just built in on Apple.com) for an Air? The Pro is cheaper and has a better screen plus more ports. Also, the Surface Pro 3 has a touchscreen plus pen support. That 2160x1440 screen DOUBLES the Macbook Air. It's pathetic how Apple has not even made the Air the standard 1080p at that price point yet. They haven't refreshed the old Pro with SuperDrive yet, it's been at 1200x800 since launch! The MacBook Air being 1440x900 in 2014 is a FAIL! Apple won't make it sharper, because that would hurt MB Pro sales and they are slick. They never make two products with similar screen resolutions. I should be able to get a MB Air with a Retina Display in 2014.
Good Lord, these ads are odious. They remind me of Samsung ads taking snide asides at Apple.
A few observations:
The Surface is never shown in portrait mode. This, alone, tells me that Microsoft don't get tablets, as portrait is the most comfortable way to use a tablet.
The Surface is never held, but kept in a stand, detached. It lacks that personal element that we love in our iPads.
Whilst the Air's keyboard is seen being used, the Surface keyboard is never used, perhaps because it's crap.
I haven't seen the ads, but I have a first-generation Surface. And I have to say, I love it. It's great for business (which is primarily what I use it for), and the added grunt is really very worthwhile. It works really nicely in portrait mode; on Friday I was using it to scroll through notes when I was giving a speech.
Also the fact that it runs the "real" version of Windows (i.e. not the dreadful Windows 8 RT) is a big bonus. It feels really nice to move from operating like a typical tablet in one moment, to suddenly using the device as more of a "power user" with very powerful software at your fingertips. It's nice.
The stylus may seem a bit old-fashioned, but you really have to wait and use it in combination with One Note. It's gorgeous in that context.
The Surface on-screen keyboard is okay, but the Type Cover is absolutely fantastic.
Had I not only just recently bought the first-gen Surface, I'd probably get a Surface Pro 3, honestly. The next iteration of Windows will likely smooth out some of the aspects of Windows 8 that people don't like, but personally, I am quite happy with the functionality of the Surface at the moment.
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That is indeed an excellent way to view Google. They certainly have their usefulness and most people with Internet access make use of one or more of their free services.
No, no, you both are eloquently putting it out. Far better than I ever could, though I have the 'advantage' of hiding behind the fact that English isn't my native language (though I ought to be good in German, but alas, I've always preferred English and didn't feel like learning German while in school - too busy with other 'things')
Oh it sure did. Don't know if IndyFX will give us his view on YouTube, but it is a strange 'situation' we are in. Personally I don't think it's right for Google to simply allow all uploads and ask the up loaders to respect the authors' work and copyright.
Here in NL one is only in violation when uploading copyright material, not downloading it. So, putting others' work on YouTube is a violation but people watching copyright material on YT is perfectly fine.
I don't think it's right either, considering they monetize it, by not only allowing it to be searched for at YouTube, but making their search services "better" by including it in both search and (later) within it's own category (under Videos).
Aside from their "clean and uncluttered approach to searching the web" rise to fame and universal usage, they've certainly become as big (and untouchable?) as they are by data-mining everything and making it a click away, including site search to specific stolen i.e. copyright infringing uploaded torrents, pictures, texts, books, etc. Sometimes by their own hands i.e. books.
I believe it is the same here in Germany... although there's still a lot of grey area cases to work there way through the courts.
A recent case brought by a law firm representing a porn co. vs. individuals streaming from a website comes to mind. The law firm lost, but it's hard to say whether streaming rights were upheld, or it was because the case, the law firm, and the company they were purporting to defend were all bogus. Company was allegedly from Relic's neck of the woods... just sayin'...
Wait, what? Wow, okay. I guess I'll simply close off with a 'Rock on, Google'. I'm going to spend my afternoon in the following manner:
Well you have fun with your national past-time.... but what was that about "doubt"... this is about "decisions", like "do I have the right one?" and "what if I just take this one that looks like mine?" ...
Then again, when has every single artist ever gotten rich, no matter how talented they were? My Dad didn't want me to be an "artist" (graphic designer) and "do something with my talent" (architecture school)... because the common logic in the 70's was that you only got rich as an artist after you died. Besides living in squalor with Turpentine Asthma for the majority of your life, if you really wanted to make it big... be sure to cut off your ear, go mad, or become a homosexual before you died (Midwestern view of "art").
I leave you with those myopic quasi verbatim remarks from my not famous, beer-drinking, flag-waving, everyday bloke postman... but great... Dad... (^_^)
Edited: silly me... I forgot the most important characteristic of my beloved Dad: religious and God-FEARING!***
*** See that @Benjamin Frost? I was brought up right, just too bad I didn't stay that way, huh?
Good for your Dad. His advice re artists is as relevant now as it was in the 70s! If he's religious and God-fearing too, then he must have his head screwed on right.
As to you; if your Dad went to all the effort of bringing you up right and you've gone wrong, well, these things happen. Sometimes they can't be helped. I feel for your poor Dad. Still-it's never too late to see the light! ???? I feel you just need a bit more provocation. ????
Very accurate; I wasn't in doubt; I hardly use anything from Google. Occasionally their Street View, though I dislike the new interface but at least it doesn't require Flash anymore, so that's a plus.
Ha! Amsterdam Central Station. Yep, filled with bikes, though that picture is merely from street level. They build floors for them as well:
Personally I like the newly renovated Central Station in Rotterdam more, as do many people / architecture firms / photographers et cetera:
http://www.designboom.com/architecture/rotterdam-centraal-station-redeveloped-by-team-cs-11-11-2013/
But they didn't want the station to be flooded with bikes, so they go underground, all 5190 of them:
Complete OT, this post; mods: I merely didn't want to continue to copy statements already made about copyright infringement. Sorry 'bout that.
Wow the tablet can really play high performance games well.
Plug in the gamepad and away you go. Of course it's just playing catch up with the iPad that's been doing this for years.
It's pretty neat playing games with an Xbox 360 controller, plus with additional bonus of having a built in HDMI and wirless Miracast support, playing on a TV is a real pleasure. I like the emulators, I really enjoy the N64, Genisis and Commodore.
Notice how they don't compare the $1000 Surface to a $159 Android tablet.....
Notice how they don't compare the $1000 Surface to a $159 Android tablet.....
Why would they, Micosoft gets a hefty sum from Android device manufacturers.
I immediately dozed off. What were you lying?
Then why is it a tablet? Maybe they should stop selling it as a tablet. And... you know, building it as a tablet.
Yes, it owns a MacBook Air so that it can actually perform tasks.
...ignore the specs and the use case and the products.
Because in-house hardware has been so successful for them in the past¡
That is indeed an excellent way to view Google. They certainly have their usefulness and most people with Internet access make use of one or more of their free services.
No, no, you both are eloquently putting it out. Far better than I ever could, though I have the 'advantage' of hiding behind the fact that English isn't my native language (though I ought to be good in German, but alas, I've always preferred English and didn't feel like learning German while in school - too busy with other 'things')
Oh it sure did. Don't know if IndyFX will give us his view on YouTube, but it is a strange 'situation' we are in. Personally I don't think it's right for Google to simply allow all uploads and ask the up loaders to respect the authors' work and copyright.
Here in NL one is only in violation when uploading copyright material, not downloading it. So, putting others' work on YouTube is a violation but people watching copyright material on YT is perfectly fine.
Sorry, have been out of town and didn't catch this (using the phone)
To all suggesting that it is wrong to expect (demand) return for your work, grow up. Your demanding (or taking) the proceeds of others labor for free is not charity, it is theft.
A thousand hands and millions of dollars are required to produce a film, your stealing makes that less profitable, and so less films will get made. (and it will be the marginal films (i.e. the ones that likely should be made) that fail to get funding, not the sure thing (i.e. formulaic) projects that are of little value artistically.)
PhilBoogie, on your youtube question, that is on the edge, If a person has an expectation of fair use, (i.e. when you go to a theater or rent a movie you expect that it is correctly licensed) then you can (should) only hold the up-loaders responsible not viewers (and perhaps google as well, as it would be easy for them to require proof on easily verified (think Shazam) copyrighted material, they just don't want to because they (google) only care about the protection of their own IP, every one else's is fair game ;-)
Agreed
Google shouldn't limit themselves to protect their own IP, but also the IP of owners' work on their YouTube site. (wow, poor grammar, but you get it, no?)
No, Google should learn what fair use is first.
Fixed that 4 ya!
edit: replaced U with S in []
The Surface Pro is a hybrid, marketed as a tablet and a laptop. I never understood the term, owns, if your saying it's better then the MacBook Air, well it depends on what your goals for the machine are, for programming I prefer the MacBook Air, music creation, defiantly the Surface Pro 3. If your comparing specs, the MacBook Air can be configured with exactly the same specs, i7, 8GB RAM, 512GB SSD. The screen resolution for the MacBook Air is defiantly on the low side but the next iteration hopefully will rectify that, then again I said the same thing about the current model and the previuos. Anyway, as I own both, I don't hold one above the other as I use them for completely different tasks. What you should not do though, especially here on this board, is state unequivocally that the Surface Pro 3 is the better product, you will not only loose that debate but you should no better, not to mention that it's just completely tacky. That being said though the others shouldn't bring down a product that they haven't used or have no plans of ever using, the Surface Pro 3 is a fantastic product and I will continue supporting the line and of course the same goes for the MacBook Air line.
defiantlydefinitely missed you!df
The Surface Pro is a hybrid, marketed as a tablet and a laptop. I never understood the term, owns, if your saying it's better then the MacBook Air, well it depends on what your goals for the machine are, for programming I prefer the MacBook Air, music creation, defiantly the Surface Pro 3. If your comparing specs, the MacBook Air can be configured with exactly the same specs, i7, 8GB RAM, 512GB SSD. The screen resolution for the MacBook Air is defiantly on the low side but the next iteration hopefully will rectify that, then again I said the same thing about the current model and the previuos. Anyway, as I own both, I don't hold one above the other as I use them for completely different tasks. What you should not do though, especially here on this board, is state unequivocally that the Surface Pro 3 is the better product, you will not only loose that debate but you should no better, not to mention that it's just completely tacky. That being said though the others shouldn't bring down a product that they haven't used or have no plans of ever using, the Surface Pro 3 is a fantastic product and I will continue supporting the line and of course the same goes for the MacBook Air line.
Ok you can configure it that way if you want, but honestly who would pay $1749 (I just built in on Apple.com) for an Air? The Pro is cheaper and has a better screen plus more ports. Also, the Surface Pro 3 has a touchscreen plus pen support. That 2160x1440 screen DOUBLES the Macbook Air. It's pathetic how Apple has not even made the Air the standard 1080p at that price point yet. They haven't refreshed the old Pro with SuperDrive yet, it's been at 1200x800 since launch! The MacBook Air being 1440x900 in 2014 is a FAIL! Apple won't make it sharper, because that would hurt MB Pro sales and they are slick. They never make two products with similar screen resolutions. I should be able to get a MB Air with a Retina Display in 2014.
Good Lord, these ads are odious. They remind me of Samsung ads taking snide asides at Apple.
A few observations:
The Surface is never shown in portrait mode. This, alone, tells me that Microsoft don't get tablets, as portrait is the most comfortable way to use a tablet.
The Surface is never held, but kept in a stand, detached. It lacks that personal element that we love in our iPads.
Whilst the Air's keyboard is seen being used, the Surface keyboard is never used, perhaps because it's crap.
I haven't seen the ads, but I have a first-generation Surface. And I have to say, I love it. It's great for business (which is primarily what I use it for), and the added grunt is really very worthwhile. It works really nicely in portrait mode; on Friday I was using it to scroll through notes when I was giving a speech.
Also the fact that it runs the "real" version of Windows (i.e. not the dreadful Windows 8 RT) is a big bonus. It feels really nice to move from operating like a typical tablet in one moment, to suddenly using the device as more of a "power user" with very powerful software at your fingertips. It's nice.
The stylus may seem a bit old-fashioned, but you really have to wait and use it in combination with One Note. It's gorgeous in that context.
The Surface on-screen keyboard is okay, but the Type Cover is absolutely fantastic.
Had I not only just recently bought the first-gen Surface, I'd probably get a Surface Pro 3, honestly. The next iteration of Windows will likely smooth out some of the aspects of Windows 8 that people don't like, but personally, I am quite happy with the functionality of the Surface at the moment.