If there is a market of even just 1,000,000 users who have chosen to purchase an Android phone instead of an iPhone because of size alone, then that would be an extra 1,000,000 sales for Apple this year if the 5.5" model turns out to be real.
What on Earth gives you the impression that Apple sells to a niche? And yes, compared to the other model of iPhone, that would be an abject failure.
Originally Posted by dasanman69
None of those phones were designed for one handed use.
That explains why both models you posted are used with one hand, then.
That explains why both models you posted are used with one hand, then.
In the first photo the user has to hold the base with one hand and the ear piece with the other. The cell phone cannot possibly be dialed using one hand.
Where is it written that a phone has to be used with one hand only? If that's your opinion then you're within your rights, but smartphones are not necessarily one size fits all.
Alanis sang about that: with one hand in my pocket and the other one's holding an iPhone
Opportunity to what, fail spectacularly? Sell to imbeciles?
The actual difference between us is that when we see a bad idea, I don’t think that Apple needs to waste time, money, and blow their history of quality by making a garbage product just to prove it to people too dumb to get it already.
If Apple does release a 5.5" iPhone, which I really hope they do as that's exactly what I have been waiting for, it will NOT fail spectacularly. Unless you mean in the same way the 5C fail that everyone talks about. Then I'll agree with you.
Why so much anger in you indirectly calling people imbeciles. That means when Tim Cook is using one, be default you're calling him one. Do you think that?
In addition, since Tim Cook is leading the helm at Apple, you're saying that he is making a bad idea and wasting time, money, and blowing their history, plus making a garbage product? He approved of this item if it's real. You are wrong here Sir.
You're head is clouded by your small bubble you live in. There are people who's needs are beyond what you think it should be. That's what makes people individuals. Choice, freedom and wants other than those around them. It would be a extremely boring and stupid world if all everyone had was the same size Apple iPhone and nothing else. On top of that, Apple would NOT be what it is today if it were not for the competition. Companies die without competition.
There is a much bigger market that is growing day by day for larger phones. Apple is wise to capture some of that. See, they are not just phones anymore. They are far beyond phones now. They are more smart devices with a phone option. The smart device is the hub of your digital life now that will control more and more of what you do. What do you think all the health and car and home stuff Apple, Google and everyone else is about? How do you think that will all be controlled? With your smart device.
So please get off your high horse. You won't but I'm asking kindly because you do say some logical things from time to time. Although this is not one of those times. Just please remember there are more people in the world than yourself who want what they want to use how they want to use it.
What on Earth gives you the impression that Apple sells to a niche? And yes, compared to the other model of iPhone, that would be an abject failure.
Good question .... let's see... how about 1969 through 2007? ie: The majority of their existence! If the niche is big enough, why wouldn't they participate? As long as it's in addition to the primary market, what is wrong with participating in similar, albeit smaller markets?
I think part of the problem with your whole stance on this issue - resulting in all of your incorrect statements is that you're still thinking that there are only 3 markets:
1. Feature Phones
2. Smart Phones
3. Tablets
If it helps you to understand, let me catch you up. There are now 4 markets.
1. Feature Phones
2. One-handed Smart Phones
3. Phablets
4. Tablets
Apple has chosen not to participate in the Feature Phone market, but by releasing a 5.5" iPhone this year, they're stating that they intend to enter (and dominate) the newer Phablet market. If Apple sells more Phablets than any of their competitors and turns a profit doing so, I think everyone (even you) will agree that its hard to consider that a failure!
By your logic, "the iPad is a failure compared to the iPhone" because they sell far fewer - but they're in different markets so it's not a fair or accurate comparison.
You're arguing like the only option available this year will be the 5.5" iPhone - and if it were - all of your arguments would be true and valid and I would be arguing right alongside you! But they're not. They are releasing a new, addtional device to compete in a different market that they previously did not participate in.
So please get off your high horse. You won't but I'm asking kindly because you do say some logical things from time to time. Although this is not one of those times. Just please remember there are more people in the world than yourself who want what they want to use how they want to use it.
He exhibited the same rage about the original iPad mini. Swore that Apple would never release a tablet in the 7" range because Steve said it wouldn't work and when they did release it, he insisted that it was a mistake and would be a failure. Then when it even outsold the full size iPad, it was the buyers who were idiots.
Then of course the huge Apple blunder of naming the iPhone 5 when clearly it was the 6th edition so it would be named iPhone 6. I mean how could it not be? It was running iOS 6 on an A6 processor of course it will be named iPhone 6.
Among other things you can sell it, give it away, recycle it.
All of which involves me buying a new one. Upgrades mean I don't need to buy a new one. Can't you see how buying a new one uses infinitely more energy than keeping the old?
Apple never said to throw it away, and they've made the phone highly recyclable when it reaches the end of its useful life.
I was referring to the iMac, obviously a phone hasn't got upgradable RAM because it would be a pointless and completely imbalanced size vs longevity compromise. The iMac doesn't need to compromise on features vs size though, but Apple does anyway.
I am just addressing the false dilemma you presented to support your questioning of Apple's eco-friendliness. My point is that you, the smartphone owner, have a responsibility to be eco-friendly by choosing not to throw it away. Apple did its job in making it recyclable. What you do with it at the end of its life is yours.
The dilemma isn't false, non upgradable desktop RAM is a problem. I'm not talking about smartphone RAM, obviously.
Unless you mean in the same way the 5C fail that everyone talks about. Then I'll agree with you.
It’s entirely possible.
Why so much anger in you indirectly calling people imbeciles.
No anger at all. Speaking truth. Someone who buys a product that is designed to be unusable for what it was intended is a moron. Doesn’t matter what the product is. If you buy a car designed with two wheels such that you have to have even weight distribution on both sides otherwise it’ll tip over and scrape the road as you drive, that’s stupidity.
He approved of this item if it's real.
And here’s the rub: you keep making things up based on this question already being answered.
You're head is clouded by your small bubble you live in. There are people who's needs are beyond what you think it should be. That's what makes people individuals. Choice, freedom and wants other than those around them.
Yeah, yeah, blah blah. Save me the genericized sob story. Apple doesn’t give you choice. They don’t make products for niches, they make them for the middle of the road. There are “a large number of people” who would want an xMac. Apple doesn’t make one. There are “a large number of people” who would want a 4.2” iPhone. Or a 4.5” iPhone. Or a 32” iMac. Or a 12” MacBook Pro. Or, heck, even a 17” MacBook Pro. Apple doesn’t make those, either. “Choice”, as so meaninglessly defined by those who fight senselessly for products that make no sense, is bad. Specific choices, on the other hand, choices designed to appeal to the greatest majority of people, are good.
It would be a extremely boring and stupid world if all everyone had was the same size Apple iPhone and nothing else.
So the last seven years have been “extremely boring and stupid”. Seems kind of silly to call me out for saying people are stupid (for making a genuinely stupid purchasing decision) and then turning around and calling everyone who has ever purchased an iPhone at all stupid.
On top of that, Apple would NOT be what it is today if it were not for the competition. Companies die without competition.
What does this statement have to do with anything? It’s wrong, by the way. There was no competition when they released the Apple ][, Macintosh, iMac, iPod, or iPhone. And yet they still kept releasing these products.
There is a much bigger market that is growing day by day for larger phones.
Sure it’s not just the phones that are growing? Phones of the size we’re discussing represent 1/10th of the market at best. Apple doesn’t design for 10%; they design for 90%.
What do you think all the health and car and home stuff Apple, Google and everyone else is about? How do you think that will all be controlled? With your smart device.
Which is why I am terribly excited for a 5.5” device to do that. Namely a new iPod touch (or calling it something fitting for a remote designed to control your wise home, etc.). But a 5.5” device marketed as a phone? There’s a reason people aren’t buying them.
Originally Posted by SirLance99
You'd have to dial with two hands.
I’ve never met a phone that wasn’t Android that forced me to dial with two hands.
Originally Posted by tenly
Good question .... let's see... how about 1969 through 2007? ie: The majority of their existence! If the niche is big enough, why wouldn't they participate?
Because then it stops being a niche... Apple doesn’t make products for niches! Their products are designed to appeal to the greatest number of people possible. That they are “only” purchased by a “niche” doesn’t change this*.
There are now 4 markets.
3. Phablets
Which is a niche. Sales numbers show this. I think it’s time for me to illustrate the argument I’m making. Give me a few minutes.
If Apple sells more Phablets than any of their competitors and turns a profit doing so, I think everyone (even you) will agree that its hard to consider that a failure!
Define failure.
By your logic
No, but again, I’m going to try to explain it pictorally. It makes more sense this way.
They are releasing a new device to compete in a different market that they previously did not participate in. Is it starting to make sense now?
No. What doesn’t make sense is why they’d enter a market that is inherently smaller and less profitable than the market in which they already dominate. One thought could be ‘diversification of the product line to remove reliance on the profit of the iPhone’, but if that’s the case, making a phablet is the opposite of what they ought to be doing! Creating a larger iPod touch-cum-emphasis on portable gaming device-cum-spectacular remote control for a wise home, however... That’s an entirely new category.
*by which I am referring to the marketshare of some of their products
Originally Posted by mstone
Then when it even outsold the full size iPad...
Numbers, please. We’ll wait.
He goes on these tirades all the time.
And if you had any sense you’d see why.
Should I append my illustration to this post or just do another one? I think I’ll do another. Hang on, everyone.
Jeeminy Priest, are you guys still on this?!! Are you not looking at the picture? Can't you see the narrow strips at the top and the bottom that are recessed below the main body of the back? Probably by the same .77mm? It's not going to rock! Settle down!
Except that the dimensioning is not from the recessed "narrow strips at the top and the bottom." It's measured from the non recessed plate portion.
Jeeminy Priest, are you guys still on this?!! Are you not looking at the picture? Can't you see the narrow strips at the top and the bottom that are recessed below the main body of the back? Probably by the same .77mm? It's not going to rock! Settle down!
Except that the dimensioning is not from the recessed "narrow strips at the top and the bottom." It's measured from the non recessed plate portion.
Where the bejeezus **** are you getting that? It's the measurement of the height of the lens above the surface it emerges from—i.e., the narrow recessed part at the top.
Right, so… we’ve no evidence of this. Just like we can’t trust Samsung when they say what they’ve sold.
No not just like Samsung. Surveys are surveys but when the reports all agree they become more reliable data. You can also disregard any biases because we are talking about two Apple products not a competitor product. Why would a survey company want to lie about sales numbers of mini vs. full size? There is no benefit to them, unlike paid for surveys comparing company A vs. company B.
No anger at all. Speaking truth. Someone who buys a product that is designed to be unusable for what it was intended is a moron. Doesn’t matter what the product is. If you buy a car designed with two wheels such that you have to have even weight distribution on both sides otherwise it’ll tip over and scrape the road as you drive, that’s stupidity.
What is the intended purpose of the device? Like I stated before, the phone part is being used less and less, whereas the data part is being used more and more.
So the last seven years have been “extremely boring and stupid”. Seems kind of silly to call me out for saying people are stupid (for making a genuinely stupid purchasing decision) and then turning around and calling everyone who has ever purchased an iPhone at all stupid.
Sorry, should of clarified more what my thought was. I was meaning if only one phone that Apple made and no other types from any other OEM. I've read you enough that you think that it should be that way. So I apologize if you took it as I was calling you stupid as I was not. I don't do that as I've never really met you before. Although, I'd buy you a drink of your choice and discus this with you anytime. I appreciate different points of views even if I think they are wrong. Hopefully, you do as well.
What does this statement have to do with anything? It’s wrong, by the way. There was no competition when they released the Apple ][, Macintosh, iMac, iPod, or iPhone. And yet they still kept releasing these products.
Wrong. There was. Companies were making money. No where close to what Apple was after the iPod era but they were. Otherwise they would have went out of business.
Sure it’s not just the phones that are growing? Phones of the size we’re discussing represent 1/10th of the market at best. Apple doesn’t design for 10%; they design for 90%.
Yet, it is predicted that Apple, yet again, will release a larger iPhone. Possibly two more.
Which is why I am terribly excited for a 5.5” device to do that. Namely a new iPod touch (or calling it something fitting for a remote designed to control your wise home, etc.). But a 5.5” device marketed as a phone? There’s a reason people aren’t buying them.
Or a new iPhone 5.5". See I can do what you do as well. Like I said, the phone part is the smallest factor now of the smart device. It's about data. People want and need one device. One ring to rule them all.
I’ve never met a phone that wasn’t Android that forced me to dial with two hands.
Really? I can dial with one hand easily with every device I've used regardless of OEM and size.
Because then it stops being a niche... Apple doesn’t make products for niches! Their products are designed to appeal to the greatest number of people possible. That they are “only” purchased by a “niche” doesn’t change this*.
Once again, yet they keep, as predicted, more and more choices.
Which is a niche. Sales numbers show this. I think it’s time for me to illustrate the argument I’m making. Give me a few minutes.
Oh great, this should be fun to read. Every company on earth right now is making a larger screen smart device and it looks as if Apple is going to join the rest.
No, but again, I’m going to try to explain it pictorally. It makes more sense this way.
Can't wait. Oh, let me get my glass of wine first. This should be good.
No. What doesn’t make sense is why they’d enter a market that is inherently smaller and less profitable than the market in which they already dominate. One thought could be ‘diversification of the product line to remove reliance on the profit of the iPhone’, but if that’s the case, making a phablet is the opposite of what they ought to be doing! Creating a larger iPod touch-cum-emphasis on portable gaming device-cum-spectacular remote control for a wise home, however... That’s an entirely new category.
*by which I am referring to the marketshare of some of their products
You seem to know just how Apple should run their business. Maybe you should apply for CEO.
Should I append my illustration to this post or just do another one? I think I’ll do another. Hang on, everyone.
He exhibited the same rage about the original iPad mini. Swore that Apple would never release a tablet in the 7" range because Steve said it wouldn't work and when they did release it, he insisted that it was a mistake and would be a failure. Then when it even outsold the full size iPad, it was the buyers who were idiots.
Then of course the huge Apple blunder of naming the iPhone 5 when clearly it was the 6th edition so it would be named iPhone 6. I mean how could it not be? It was running iOS 6 on an A6 processor of course it will be named iPhone 6.
What is the intended purpose of the device? Like I stated before, the phone part is being used less and less, whereas the data part is being used more and more.
As you may have gathered, my only problem with the device is its telephony. If it is designed and sold as a phone, it can’t do as well as a device designed to be used like a phone.
Sorry, should of clarified more what my thought was. I was meaning if only one phone that Apple made and no other types from any other OEM.
Okay, I think I see what you mean now.
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Wrong. There was. Companies were making money. No where close to what Apple was after the iPod era but they were. Otherwise they would have went out of business.
Well, sure! “Making money”, but that isn’t competition in the same sense. Whenever you hear people scream, “Competition is good! Apple needs Android because they wouldn’t ever change their products otherwise!” they couldn’t care less about the amount of money being made (they couldn’t care about rationality either, but that’s its own argument). They are referring to the competition presented by “better” hardware and “more” software features in products not made by Apple. Their claim is that Apple would never change their products from the initial effort if there was no “competition” in the market, whatever it may be. But Apple’s entrance into markets has always, ALWAYS been itself the catalyst for competition, not the other way around. Where was the incentive to create keyboard+screen computers before Apple made the Apple I? Where was the incentive to move to bitmap GUI before Apple made the Macintosh? Where was the incentive to make a PHONE that was USABLE and not BOUND to the whims of the carriers before the iPhone? Nowhere. These things didn’t exist. Some will argue against the thought that they would not have existed without Apple, but that is speculation left only to the realm of alternate history and theoretical physics.
Yet, it is predicted that Apple, yet again, will release a larger iPhone. Possibly two more.
This sounds dangerously like a “If we say it enough times, eventually it will be true” argument. Apple was rumored to be releasing the iPhone 4S and iPhone 5 simultaneously, too, remember.
Like I said, the phone part is the smallest factor now of the smart device.
So why the adamance in its inclusion therein? I’ve already proposed a device that does the “everything else” people apparently so crave these days.
People want and need one device.
Ah. Perhaps ‘want’. But need? And no, I don’t mean in the “frivolous buying” sense. I mean in the “iOS 8 introduces seamless integration between all iOS devices–and even your computer–thereby rendering the desire for the mythical ‘single device that does everything’ completely moot, as any one device can interface with any other device to piggyback the services for which it is not suited while retaining the integration otherwise afforded by a single device that would have to compromise on everything in its attempt to be everything to anyone” sense.
Sorry for the bold of the whole thing, but I think it’s important enough to highlight.
I can dial with one hand easily with every device I've used regardless of OEM and size.
Hmm. I can’t trust myself anymore. I’ll make a note to again run through the gamut of devices the next time I’m in front of them to see what’s usable and what isn’t. What’s your hand span, by the way? ????
Every company on earth right now is making a larger screen smart device…
Who cares what everyone else is doing? They’re not making any money doing it–“…but what you said about money before…”–because they’re not selling in appreciable numbers. Everyone else makes tower desktops. Therefore, should Apple? Or should they make products that appeal to a wider range of users?
You seem to know just how Apple should run their business. Maybe you should apply for CEO.
Hey, at least until more wise home services come into existence (or until Apple starts selling their own all-inclusive package thereof), a 5.5” device as I’ve described would also be something of a niche. ???? I just like the idea because for 60 years we’ve dreamed that our homes would be intelligent enough to automate things that really ought to be automated and for 20 we’ve had the technology to do it. But no one has done anything about it! Apple is the one company who can take a scattered, broken field of technology, reinvent it, and make it something that is not only an improvement to human life, but a mainstream technological advance.
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No they weren't.
And if you need something more recent.
None of those phones were designed for one handed use.
Edit: search 'using a phone', and just about everyone is using 2 hands
What on Earth gives you the impression that Apple sells to a niche? And yes, compared to the other model of iPhone, that would be an abject failure.
That explains why both models you posted are used with one hand, then.
Is this not the worst thing that ever happened? A .7mm protrusion. How can we sleep at night.
In the first photo the user has to hold the base with one hand and the ear piece with the other. The cell phone cannot possibly be dialed using one hand.
The other hand can always do things.
Ask the princess and the pea. Ha. No I think the lense will be constantly rubbed when pulling it out and putting it in our pockets.
Opportunity to what, fail spectacularly? Sell to imbeciles?
The actual difference between us is that when we see a bad idea, I don’t think that Apple needs to waste time, money, and blow their history of quality by making a garbage product just to prove it to people too dumb to get it already.
If Apple does release a 5.5" iPhone, which I really hope they do as that's exactly what I have been waiting for, it will NOT fail spectacularly. Unless you mean in the same way the 5C fail that everyone talks about. Then I'll agree with you.
Why so much anger in you indirectly calling people imbeciles. That means when Tim Cook is using one, be default you're calling him one. Do you think that?
In addition, since Tim Cook is leading the helm at Apple, you're saying that he is making a bad idea and wasting time, money, and blowing their history, plus making a garbage product? He approved of this item if it's real. You are wrong here Sir.
You're head is clouded by your small bubble you live in. There are people who's needs are beyond what you think it should be. That's what makes people individuals. Choice, freedom and wants other than those around them. It would be a extremely boring and stupid world if all everyone had was the same size Apple iPhone and nothing else. On top of that, Apple would NOT be what it is today if it were not for the competition. Companies die without competition.
There is a much bigger market that is growing day by day for larger phones. Apple is wise to capture some of that. See, they are not just phones anymore. They are far beyond phones now. They are more smart devices with a phone option. The smart device is the hub of your digital life now that will control more and more of what you do. What do you think all the health and car and home stuff Apple, Google and everyone else is about? How do you think that will all be controlled? With your smart device.
So please get off your high horse. You won't but I'm asking kindly because you do say some logical things from time to time. Although this is not one of those times. Just please remember there are more people in the world than yourself who want what they want to use how they want to use it.
That explains why both models you posted are used with one hand, then.
You'd have to dial with two hands.
What on Earth gives you the impression that Apple sells to a niche? And yes, compared to the other model of iPhone, that would be an abject failure.
Good question .... let's see... how about 1969 through 2007? ie: The majority of their existence! If the niche is big enough, why wouldn't they participate? As long as it's in addition to the primary market, what is wrong with participating in similar, albeit smaller markets?
I think part of the problem with your whole stance on this issue - resulting in all of your incorrect statements is that you're still thinking that there are only 3 markets:
1. Feature Phones
2. Smart Phones
3. Tablets
If it helps you to understand, let me catch you up. There are now 4 markets.
1. Feature Phones
2. One-handed Smart Phones
3. Phablets
4. Tablets
Apple has chosen not to participate in the Feature Phone market, but by releasing a 5.5" iPhone this year, they're stating that they intend to enter (and dominate) the newer Phablet market. If Apple sells more Phablets than any of their competitors and turns a profit doing so, I think everyone (even you) will agree that its hard to consider that a failure!
By your logic, "the iPad is a failure compared to the iPhone" because they sell far fewer - but they're in different markets so it's not a fair or accurate comparison.
You're arguing like the only option available this year will be the 5.5" iPhone - and if it were - all of your arguments would be true and valid and I would be arguing right alongside you! But they're not. They are releasing a new, addtional device to compete in a different market that they previously did not participate in.
Is it starting to make sense now?
He exhibited the same rage about the original iPad mini. Swore that Apple would never release a tablet in the 7" range because Steve said it wouldn't work and when they did release it, he insisted that it was a mistake and would be a failure. Then when it even outsold the full size iPad, it was the buyers who were idiots.
Then of course the huge Apple blunder of naming the iPhone 5 when clearly it was the 6th edition so it would be named iPhone 6. I mean how could it not be? It was running iOS 6 on an A6 processor of course it will be named iPhone 6.
He goes on these tirades all the time.
That explains why both models you posted are used with one hand, then.
You'd have to dial with two hands.
Or say Hey Siri call <insert name>
Hey Siri send a message to <insert name> I'll txt you later I have both hands full at the moment.
All of which involves me buying a new one. Upgrades mean I don't need to buy a new one. Can't you see how buying a new one uses infinitely more energy than keeping the old?
I was referring to the iMac, obviously a phone hasn't got upgradable RAM because it would be a pointless and completely imbalanced size vs longevity compromise. The iMac doesn't need to compromise on features vs size though, but Apple does anyway.
The dilemma isn't false, non upgradable desktop RAM is a problem. I'm not talking about smartphone RAM, obviously.
It’s entirely possible.
No anger at all. Speaking truth. Someone who buys a product that is designed to be unusable for what it was intended is a moron. Doesn’t matter what the product is. If you buy a car designed with two wheels such that you have to have even weight distribution on both sides otherwise it’ll tip over and scrape the road as you drive, that’s stupidity.
And here’s the rub: you keep making things up based on this question already being answered.
Yeah, yeah, blah blah. Save me the genericized sob story. Apple doesn’t give you choice. They don’t make products for niches, they make them for the middle of the road. There are “a large number of people” who would want an xMac. Apple doesn’t make one. There are “a large number of people” who would want a 4.2” iPhone. Or a 4.5” iPhone. Or a 32” iMac. Or a 12” MacBook Pro. Or, heck, even a 17” MacBook Pro. Apple doesn’t make those, either. “Choice”, as so meaninglessly defined by those who fight senselessly for products that make no sense, is bad. Specific choices, on the other hand, choices designed to appeal to the greatest majority of people, are good.
So the last seven years have been “extremely boring and stupid”. Seems kind of silly to call me out for saying people are stupid (for making a genuinely stupid purchasing decision) and then turning around and calling everyone who has ever purchased an iPhone at all stupid.
What does this statement have to do with anything? It’s wrong, by the way. There was no competition when they released the Apple ][, Macintosh, iMac, iPod, or iPhone. And yet they still kept releasing these products.
Sure it’s not just the phones that are growing? Phones of the size we’re discussing represent 1/10th of the market at best. Apple doesn’t design for 10%; they design for 90%.
Which is why I am terribly excited for a 5.5” device to do that. Namely a new iPod touch (or calling it something fitting for a remote designed to control your wise home, etc.). But a 5.5” device marketed as a phone? There’s a reason people aren’t buying them.
I’ve never met a phone that wasn’t Android that forced me to dial with two hands.
Because then it stops being a niche... Apple doesn’t make products for niches! Their products are designed to appeal to the greatest number of people possible. That they are “only” purchased by a “niche” doesn’t change this*.
There are now 4 markets.
3. Phablets
Which is a niche. Sales numbers show this. I think it’s time for me to illustrate the argument I’m making. Give me a few minutes.
Define failure.
No, but again, I’m going to try to explain it pictorally. It makes more sense this way.
They are releasing a new device to compete in a different market that they previously did not participate in. Is it starting to make sense now?
No. What doesn’t make sense is why they’d enter a market that is inherently smaller and less profitable than the market in which they already dominate. One thought could be ‘diversification of the product line to remove reliance on the profit of the iPhone’, but if that’s the case, making a phablet is the opposite of what they ought to be doing! Creating a larger iPod touch-cum-emphasis on portable gaming device-cum-spectacular remote control for a wise home, however... That’s an entirely new category.
*by which I am referring to the marketshare of some of their products
Numbers, please. We’ll wait.
He goes on these tirades all the time.
And if you had any sense you’d see why.
Should I append my illustration to this post or just do another one? I think I’ll do another. Hang on, everyone.
Jeeminy Priest, are you guys still on this?!! Are you not looking at the picture? Can't you see the narrow strips at the top and the bottom that are recessed below the main body of the back? Probably by the same .77mm? It's not going to rock! Settle down!
Except that the dimensioning is not from the recessed "narrow strips at the top and the bottom." It's measured from the non recessed plate portion.
Numbers, please. We’ll wait.
* based on numbers from third party survey companies which all reported consistent results that the mini outsold the full size iPad.
** Apple has never released sales figures with a breakdown of models for any product segment.
** Apple has never released sales figures with a breakdown of models for any product segment.
Right, so… we’ve no evidence of this. Just like we can’t trust Samsung when they say what they’ve sold.
Where the bejeezus **** are you getting that? It's the measurement of the height of the lens above the surface it emerges from—i.e., the narrow recessed part at the top.
Right, so… we’ve no evidence of this. Just like we can’t trust Samsung when they say what they’ve sold.
No not just like Samsung. Surveys are surveys but when the reports all agree they become more reliable data. You can also disregard any biases because we are talking about two Apple products not a competitor product. Why would a survey company want to lie about sales numbers of mini vs. full size? There is no benefit to them, unlike paid for surveys comparing company A vs. company B.
No anger at all. Speaking truth. Someone who buys a product that is designed to be unusable for what it was intended is a moron. Doesn’t matter what the product is. If you buy a car designed with two wheels such that you have to have even weight distribution on both sides otherwise it’ll tip over and scrape the road as you drive, that’s stupidity.
What is the intended purpose of the device? Like I stated before, the phone part is being used less and less, whereas the data part is being used more and more.
So the last seven years have been “extremely boring and stupid”. Seems kind of silly to call me out for saying people are stupid (for making a genuinely stupid purchasing decision) and then turning around and calling everyone who has ever purchased an iPhone at all stupid.
Sorry, should of clarified more what my thought was. I was meaning if only one phone that Apple made and no other types from any other OEM. I've read you enough that you think that it should be that way. So I apologize if you took it as I was calling you stupid as I was not. I don't do that as I've never really met you before. Although, I'd buy you a drink of your choice and discus this with you anytime. I appreciate different points of views even if I think they are wrong. Hopefully, you do as well.
What does this statement have to do with anything? It’s wrong, by the way. There was no competition when they released the Apple ][, Macintosh, iMac, iPod, or iPhone. And yet they still kept releasing these products.
Wrong. There was. Companies were making money. No where close to what Apple was after the iPod era but they were. Otherwise they would have went out of business.
Sure it’s not just the phones that are growing? Phones of the size we’re discussing represent 1/10th of the market at best. Apple doesn’t design for 10%; they design for 90%.
Yet, it is predicted that Apple, yet again, will release a larger iPhone. Possibly two more.
Which is why I am terribly excited for a 5.5” device to do that. Namely a new iPod touch (or calling it something fitting for a remote designed to control your wise home, etc.). But a 5.5” device marketed as a phone? There’s a reason people aren’t buying them.
Or a new iPhone 5.5". See I can do what you do as well. Like I said, the phone part is the smallest factor now of the smart device. It's about data. People want and need one device. One ring to rule them all.
I’ve never met a phone that wasn’t Android that forced me to dial with two hands.
Really? I can dial with one hand easily with every device I've used regardless of OEM and size.
Because then it stops being a niche... Apple doesn’t make products for niches! Their products are designed to appeal to the greatest number of people possible. That they are “only” purchased by a “niche” doesn’t change this*.
Once again, yet they keep, as predicted, more and more choices.
Which is a niche. Sales numbers show this. I think it’s time for me to illustrate the argument I’m making. Give me a few minutes.
Oh great, this should be fun to read. Every company on earth right now is making a larger screen smart device and it looks as if Apple is going to join the rest.
No, but again, I’m going to try to explain it pictorally. It makes more sense this way.
Can't wait. Oh, let me get my glass of wine first. This should be good.
No. What doesn’t make sense is why they’d enter a market that is inherently smaller and less profitable than the market in which they already dominate. One thought could be ‘diversification of the product line to remove reliance on the profit of the iPhone’, but if that’s the case, making a phablet is the opposite of what they ought to be doing! Creating a larger iPod touch-cum-emphasis on portable gaming device-cum-spectacular remote control for a wise home, however... That’s an entirely new category.
*by which I am referring to the marketshare of some of their products
You seem to know just how Apple should run their business. Maybe you should apply for CEO.
Should I append my illustration to this post or just do another one? I think I’ll do another. Hang on, everyone.
Alright, now have my glass of wine. I'm ready.
Always more Fatwas from Ayatollah Skil.
As you may have gathered, my only problem with the device is its telephony. If it is designed and sold as a phone, it can’t do as well as a device designed to be used like a phone.
Okay, I think I see what you mean now.
Well, sure! “Making money”, but that isn’t competition in the same sense. Whenever you hear people scream, “Competition is good! Apple needs Android because they wouldn’t ever change their products otherwise!” they couldn’t care less about the amount of money being made (they couldn’t care about rationality either, but that’s its own argument). They are referring to the competition presented by “better” hardware and “more” software features in products not made by Apple. Their claim is that Apple would never change their products from the initial effort if there was no “competition” in the market, whatever it may be. But Apple’s entrance into markets has always, ALWAYS been itself the catalyst for competition, not the other way around. Where was the incentive to create keyboard+screen computers before Apple made the Apple I? Where was the incentive to move to bitmap GUI before Apple made the Macintosh? Where was the incentive to make a PHONE that was USABLE and not BOUND to the whims of the carriers before the iPhone? Nowhere. These things didn’t exist. Some will argue against the thought that they would not have existed without Apple, but that is speculation left only to the realm of alternate history and theoretical physics.
This sounds dangerously like a “If we say it enough times, eventually it will be true” argument. Apple was rumored to be releasing the iPhone 4S and iPhone 5 simultaneously, too, remember.
So why the adamance in its inclusion therein? I’ve already proposed a device that does the “everything else” people apparently so crave these days.
Ah. Perhaps ‘want’. But need? And no, I don’t mean in the “frivolous buying” sense. I mean in the “iOS 8 introduces seamless integration between all iOS devices–and even your computer–thereby rendering the desire for the mythical ‘single device that does everything’ completely moot, as any one device can interface with any other device to piggyback the services for which it is not suited while retaining the integration otherwise afforded by a single device that would have to compromise on everything in its attempt to be everything to anyone” sense.
Sorry for the bold of the whole thing, but I think it’s important enough to highlight.
Hmm. I can’t trust myself anymore. I’ll make a note to again run through the gamut of devices the next time I’m in front of them to see what’s usable and what isn’t. What’s your hand span, by the way? ????
Who cares what everyone else is doing? They’re not making any money doing it–“…but what you said about money before…”–because they’re not selling in appreciable numbers. Everyone else makes tower desktops. Therefore, should Apple? Or should they make products that appeal to a wider range of users?
Hey, at least until more wise home services come into existence (or until Apple starts selling their own all-inclusive package thereof), a 5.5” device as I’ve described would also be something of a niche. ???? I just like the idea because for 60 years we’ve dreamed that our homes would be intelligent enough to automate things that really ought to be automated and for 20 we’ve had the technology to do it. But no one has done anything about it! Apple is the one company who can take a scattered, broken field of technology, reinvent it, and make it something that is not only an improvement to human life, but a mainstream technological advance.
I’ll put the diagrams in the next post.