[And, of course it's not Apple's fault. There is one person -- and one person ONLY -- who is at fault here: The person who hacked the account and posted the pictures.
If someone robbed a bank, they'd blame the bank robber but if someone stole cash from another account easily from an ATM, they'd blame the bank for poor security as well as the robber. The only way companies escape blame is if they took adequate steps to ensure high security and if the successful attack used was the brute force attack, Apple failed in that regard here but we don't know which attack was used for certain. The photos of Mary Winstead were apparently taken several years ago:
and deleted years ago. iCloud only launched in 2011 so either she kept the images for a while and was keeping them in iCloud or those were leaked from somewhere else. iCloud had to be involved somewhere or it wouldn't have been mentioned but nobody is mentioning any other services. The people who do this sort of thing don't like Apple's control so I doubt they'd implicate their preferred provider.
It won't harm Apple of course, quite the reverse. They are getting even more attention than just the iPhone 6 and there are way more people wanted these pictures to leak than didn't. Apple is now the company that finally gave us topless pictures of Kate Upton and they made the phone that took the good quality pictures. They might lose Kate Upton as a customer but they just signed up a few million guys who are grateful. Kelly Brook has already been running around without her top on but if her images get out, that'll sign up a few million more.
The only way companies escape blame is if they took adequate steps to ensure high security and if the successful attack used was the brute force attack, Apple failed in that regard here...
Do we know that for sure? They could have used brute force attack on a different account to find a password that was then also used for their iCloud account.
The only way companies escape blame is if they took adequate steps to ensure high security and if the successful attack used was the brute force attack, Apple failed in that regard here...
Do we know that for sure? They could have used brute force attack on a different account to find a password that was then also used for their iCloud account.
I was saying if the attack used was the brute force weakness, Apple would have been accountable for it but they have clarified it wasn't. I wonder how many news networks will update their stories.
By the time any intelligent decisions are made in the administration of education in this country, society will have collapsed because of unintelligent decisions and misadministration of education.
That goes for both changing formal education and creating a stigmatization of being a worthless parent.
It has nothing to do with education. It has to do with people trusting in things they shouldn't. Before 9/11, all the talk was about privacy, but afterwards, privacy went down the chute.
Most younger people don't seen to care about it at all. The put their entire life on Facebook, or other sites. It just doesn't occur to them that nothing they use is truly secure. Everything is so convenient that they just take advantage of it without thinking it through. You can't educate people to have common sense. No matter how many times they read about breaches, they don't think it will happen to them. A lot of these people will continue doing the same thing they've already done.
I think subsidy may be the key. Say the major cc providers and Apple offer an iPad with a card reader for $200 (or less) per terminal -- to replace existing terminals. These can be self-contained and/or connected to the store/cc provider back end.
There would be 5 (actually 6) ways of operation in descending order of preference/convenience/security:
encrypted, perishable, one-shot token exchange with TouchID device
encrypted, cc data exchange with an TouchID device
encrypted, cc data exchange with a non-TouchID device
manually enter the cc data displayed on a non-TouchID device & get signature
swipe the credit card & get signature
rub the carbon of a credit card (or hand copy) on a receipt & get signature
The last 2 are the only ones involving a physical credit card.
Here's the deal. the cc companies can encourage their customers (vendors and card holders, alike) to use the preferred methods -- tiered lower transaction fees, tiered lower percent of charge, tiered lower prices, tiered cashback rewards ...
I think, done properly, that it would take less than 3 years to displace the majority of existing cc transaction terminals and methods.
And for those vendors that didn't conform -- likely, you wouldn't want to give them any info, anyway!
An interesting article today. While I don't yet agree about the watch yet being capable of this for reasons I gave in the comments there, a good take on the possibilities of the service.
Among other things, taking something from someone's account and publishing it is no different than someone breaking into your home and taking a picture you took. Now imagine that you took a picture (no matter the content) and someone took it from your house or your wallet. Would the argument, "Well, if you didn't want someone else to have it you shouldn't have taken it in the first place," really fly -- with anyone?
As was pointed out earlier in this very thread, the person who did this with Scarlett Johansson and Mila Kunis received 10 years in prison. It's a crime. The victim is not at fault. The criminal is.
I don't think they're saying that the victim is at fault. But what is being said, and I agree, is that people SHOULD know that no system dealing with software and the Internet is secure. Therefor, if they don't want pictures, or other personal information to get stolen, they shouldn't put it there. This is common sense. It doesn't make them responsible for getting breached, because there will always be people looking for this type of thing, even if someone doesn't have it online. They will still get breached.
Indeed. That's where a tyranny is much more effective. A benevolent tyranny is probably the ideal system.
Yes, and I will be that benevolent tyrant. I will tell you what to do, even if you don't want to do it, because I will always have your best interests at heart, even though you may hate me for that.
Couldn't agree more. It could be done years quicker if it were efficient. Home schooling can achieve that. But one of the main points of school is to keep children off the streets, so there is a vested interest in keeping it slow.
One of the main points of school is to mold good citizens. It's not intended, other than as a byproduct, to keep children off the streets. It let's out early enough so that they can play in the streets, and weekends are for that purpose as well, including for adults.
An uneducated citizen is a bad citizen, as well as being a poor citizen, which is also bad for the state. It's all about making citizens what the states believes they should be.
Although I agree that it will take years before something like this would be truly wides[read, I think that we are missing a few important points about how this technology works.
First, it is important to note that NFC is compatible with existing paywave terminals. So if you've ever been in a store or gas station where the terminals had a contact point where you can tap a credit card FOB, that same terminal can be used to process a payment using NFC in a mobile device.
Second, there is a major initiative to bring chip and pin technology (EMV) to the united states. Many card vendors are already issuing EMV cards to their card holders (I've received a few myself). And as a part of this effort, payment processors have already been updating their merchant terminals.
Third, in many cases, the new terminals being rolled out to support chip and pin also support paywave. And by extension, they also support NFC payments. I've watched most of the merchants where I shop over the past year, and most of them have replaced their terminals with paywave capable devices. That's obviously anecdotal, but at least around the area where I live, there are an awful lot of merchants where one could already use NFC if there were a provider that would support it.
My belief is that by the end of 2015, there will be a much larger installed base of NFC capable terminals out there than many people expect.
As far as the hardware goes, that's often true. But I was pointing out that it's the software, and the particular payment system that's got to be aligned. So far, it's not.
Indeed. That's where a tyranny is much more effective. A benevolent tyranny is probably the ideal system.
Yes, and I will be that benevolent tyrant. I will tell you what to do, even if you don't want to do it, because I will always have your best interests at heart, even though you may hate me for that.
Sounds good. When can I take the throne?
As soon as you can turn the States into a tyranny and become the leader. ????
One of the main points of school is to mold good citizens. It's not intended, other than as a byproduct, to keep children off the streets. It let's out early enough so that they can play in the streets, and weekends are for that purpose as well, including for adults.
An uneducated citizen is a bad citizen, as well as being a poor citizen, which is also bad for the state. It's all about making citizens what the states believes they should be.
I'm looking for that "/s" real hard, but not finding it (although it seems strongly implied)...
Couldn't agree more. It could be done years quicker if it were efficient. Home schooling can achieve that. But one of the main points of school is to keep children off the streets, so there is a vested interest in keeping it slow.
One of the main points of school is to mold good citizens. It's not intended, other than as a byproduct, to keep children off the streets. It let's out early enough so that they can play in the streets, and weekends are for that purpose as well, including for adults.
An uneducated citizen is a bad citizen, as well as being a poor citizen, which is also bad for the state. It's all about making citizens what the states believes they should be.
It isn't the school's job to teach good citizenship; that is the parents' job.
Life revolves around the family, not the school. The school's job is simply to provide specialists to teach certain subjects. That is very inefficient when teaching classes of many children, especially as huge swathes of the teaching are not needed and misdirected. Home schooling can overcome these problems.
Ok, answer me this- why the **** are these people so obsessed with taking naked photos of themselves? I'm sorry, but I can manage very little sympathy to these celebs when their nude photos get "hacked", since they decided to be so narcissistic in the first place, and take compromising photos because they love whoring themselves out. Whats wrong with having a tad of self respect and NOT taking photos like these, on devices that auto-upload to the cloud and connected to the internet? I've never taken a self nude photo in my life, nor have I ever been inclined to. So yeah, you're a celebrity want to take photos of yourself looking like a whore and a pornstar, please spare me the self-righteous outrage when these inevitably get released. They know the risks and they do it anyway, because they're self-obsessed twats, and deep down, love acting like cheap sluts.
"But the difference there is when someone like Jayden James or Alexis Texas makes a movie, it's her choice. This, on the other hand, was more or less an assault."
No, it's not an "assault". J-Law CHOSE to take nude photos of herself. She CHOSE to take them to a device that uploads them to the internet. Noone fucking put a gun to her head and forced her to take those ridiculous, classless, trashy photos. If my own sister was trashy and idiotic enough to do that, then I also wouldn't have sympathy if those photos got out.
Well, it's kids who are the greatest offender in this regard. Various sites that have teenagers as main "clients" such as Stickem, have a major problem with this. Even though the people there think their private areas are private, they are breached all the time. Many photo's and videos go up on the Internet from these sites. And of course, we have the constant selfies from a teenage boy to his girlfriend, and the reverse. It's become a part of society these days. As I said before, it's so easy, that people really don't think about it. When I was a kid, we would have the; " I'll show you mine if you show me yours." This is doing it from a distance.
You really need to be more understanding, and not so vehement about it. I'm sure a lot of people here would have done this if it were available when we were kids. And those celebrities are young enough that taking, and sending these photos, is something that's not that far from what kids are doing.
But, in addition, these are celebrities, mostly actors, or personalities. From that, you can see that they are exhibitionists from the beginning.
I started in fashion photography in 1969 when I was 19. You can only imagine what went on sometimes.
Well, it's kids who are the greatest offender in this regard. Various sites that have teenagers as main "clients" such as Stickem, have a major problem with this. Even though the people there think their private areas are private, they are breached all the time. Many photo's and videos go up on the Internet from these sites. And of course, we have the constant selfies from a teenage boy to his girlfriend, and the reverse. It's become a part of society these days. As I said before, it's so easy, that people really don't think about it. When I was a kid, we would have the; " I'll show you mine if you show me yours." This is doing it from a distance.
You really need to be more understanding, and not so vehement about it. I'm sure a lot of people here would have done this if it were available when we were kids. And those celebrities are young enough that taking, and sending these photos, is something that's not that far from what kids are doing.
But, in addition, these are celebrities, mostly actors, or personalities. From that, you can see that they are exhibitionists from the beginning.
I started in fashion photography in 1969 when I was 19. You can only imagine what went on sometimes.
Mel, you have a fascinating work history (not being snarky). Very interesting to see what jobs people have held over their careers.
1) It's not only famous people who take naked or partially naked selfies/videos. Lots of people do. It's just that no one really cares about the sex tape your neighbor made with her BF.
Um, actually... Yeah, there are people interested in that. Just like some guys take up skirt photos and videos, as well as down blouse photos and videos and post them on pay sites, there are people who put cameras where they can video people in their bedrooms, bathrooms, etc. then, there are amateur sex sites where people take part in the filming.
^^^ Just guessing, but I think many of these celebs rely on their assistants and their assistants are unlikely to be as adept with technology as they are at setting up meetings or answering emails.
It comes down to a level of naïveté, I suppose.
I think these photos are private, and their assistants don't have anything to do with it.
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If someone robbed a bank, they'd blame the bank robber but if someone stole cash from another account easily from an ATM, they'd blame the bank for poor security as well as the robber. The only way companies escape blame is if they took adequate steps to ensure high security and if the successful attack used was the brute force attack, Apple failed in that regard here but we don't know which attack was used for certain. The photos of Mary Winstead were apparently taken several years ago:
http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/digital-life-news/actor-mary-elizabeth-winsteads-private-moment-with-her-husband-exposed-online-to-the-world-20140901-10aw9p.html
and deleted years ago. iCloud only launched in 2011 so either she kept the images for a while and was keeping them in iCloud or those were leaked from somewhere else. iCloud had to be involved somewhere or it wouldn't have been mentioned but nobody is mentioning any other services. The people who do this sort of thing don't like Apple's control so I doubt they'd implicate their preferred provider.
It won't harm Apple of course, quite the reverse. They are getting even more attention than just the iPhone 6 and there are way more people wanted these pictures to leak than didn't. Apple is now the company that finally gave us topless pictures of Kate Upton and they made the phone that took the good quality pictures. They might lose Kate Upton as a customer but they just signed up a few million guys who are grateful. Kelly Brook has already been running around without her top on but if her images get out, that'll sign up a few million more.
Do we know that for sure? They could have used brute force attack on a different account to find a password that was then also used for their iCloud account.
That right and that's what Apple is now saying:
http://forums.appleinsider.com/t/182057/apple-says-icloud-is-safe-and-secure-stolen-celebrity-pics-were-targeted
I was saying if the attack used was the brute force weakness, Apple would have been accountable for it but they have clarified it wasn't. I wonder how many news networks will update their stories.
It has nothing to do with education. It has to do with people trusting in things they shouldn't. Before 9/11, all the talk was about privacy, but afterwards, privacy went down the chute.
Most younger people don't seen to care about it at all. The put their entire life on Facebook, or other sites. It just doesn't occur to them that nothing they use is truly secure. Everything is so convenient that they just take advantage of it without thinking it through. You can't educate people to have common sense. No matter how many times they read about breaches, they don't think it will happen to them. A lot of these people will continue doing the same thing they've already done.
An interesting article today. While I don't yet agree about the watch yet being capable of this for reasons I gave in the comments there, a good take on the possibilities of the service.
http://seekingalpha.com/article/2464485-analyzing-the-potential-benefit-of-an-apple-payment-ecosystem
I don't think they're saying that the victim is at fault. But what is being said, and I agree, is that people SHOULD know that no system dealing with software and the Internet is secure. Therefor, if they don't want pictures, or other personal information to get stolen, they shouldn't put it there. This is common sense. It doesn't make them responsible for getting breached, because there will always be people looking for this type of thing, even if someone doesn't have it online. They will still get breached.
Yes, and I will be that benevolent tyrant. I will tell you what to do, even if you don't want to do it, because I will always have your best interests at heart, even though you may hate me for that.
Sounds good. When can I take the throne?
It's ok. They don't have a democracy either.
One of the main points of school is to mold good citizens. It's not intended, other than as a byproduct, to keep children off the streets. It let's out early enough so that they can play in the streets, and weekends are for that purpose as well, including for adults.
An uneducated citizen is a bad citizen, as well as being a poor citizen, which is also bad for the state. It's all about making citizens what the states believes they should be.
As far as the hardware goes, that's often true. But I was pointing out that it's the software, and the particular payment system that's got to be aligned. So far, it's not.
Indeed. That's where a tyranny is much more effective. A benevolent tyranny is probably the ideal system.
Yes, and I will be that benevolent tyrant. I will tell you what to do, even if you don't want to do it, because I will always have your best interests at heart, even though you may hate me for that.
Sounds good. When can I take the throne?
As soon as you can turn the States into a tyranny and become the leader. ????
One of the main points of school is to mold good citizens. It's not intended, other than as a byproduct, to keep children off the streets. It let's out early enough so that they can play in the streets, and weekends are for that purpose as well, including for adults.
An uneducated citizen is a bad citizen, as well as being a poor citizen, which is also bad for the state. It's all about making citizens what the states believes they should be.
I'm looking for that "/s" real hard, but not finding it (although it seems strongly implied)...
Couldn't agree more. It could be done years quicker if it were efficient. Home schooling can achieve that. But one of the main points of school is to keep children off the streets, so there is a vested interest in keeping it slow.
One of the main points of school is to mold good citizens. It's not intended, other than as a byproduct, to keep children off the streets. It let's out early enough so that they can play in the streets, and weekends are for that purpose as well, including for adults.
An uneducated citizen is a bad citizen, as well as being a poor citizen, which is also bad for the state. It's all about making citizens what the states believes they should be.
It isn't the school's job to teach good citizenship; that is the parents' job.
Life revolves around the family, not the school. The school's job is simply to provide specialists to teach certain subjects. That is very inefficient when teaching classes of many children, especially as huge swathes of the teaching are not needed and misdirected. Home schooling can overcome these problems.
Well, it's kids who are the greatest offender in this regard. Various sites that have teenagers as main "clients" such as Stickem, have a major problem with this. Even though the people there think their private areas are private, they are breached all the time. Many photo's and videos go up on the Internet from these sites. And of course, we have the constant selfies from a teenage boy to his girlfriend, and the reverse. It's become a part of society these days. As I said before, it's so easy, that people really don't think about it. When I was a kid, we would have the; " I'll show you mine if you show me yours." This is doing it from a distance.
You really need to be more understanding, and not so vehement about it. I'm sure a lot of people here would have done this if it were available when we were kids. And those celebrities are young enough that taking, and sending these photos, is something that's not that far from what kids are doing.
But, in addition, these are celebrities, mostly actors, or personalities. From that, you can see that they are exhibitionists from the beginning.
I started in fashion photography in 1969 when I was 19. You can only imagine what went on sometimes.
Well, it's kids who are the greatest offender in this regard. Various sites that have teenagers as main "clients" such as Stickem, have a major problem with this. Even though the people there think their private areas are private, they are breached all the time. Many photo's and videos go up on the Internet from these sites. And of course, we have the constant selfies from a teenage boy to his girlfriend, and the reverse. It's become a part of society these days. As I said before, it's so easy, that people really don't think about it. When I was a kid, we would have the; " I'll show you mine if you show me yours." This is doing it from a distance.
You really need to be more understanding, and not so vehement about it. I'm sure a lot of people here would have done this if it were available when we were kids. And those celebrities are young enough that taking, and sending these photos, is something that's not that far from what kids are doing.
But, in addition, these are celebrities, mostly actors, or personalities. From that, you can see that they are exhibitionists from the beginning.
I started in fashion photography in 1969 when I was 19. You can only imagine what went on sometimes.
Mel, you have a fascinating work history (not being snarky). Very interesting to see what jobs people have held over their careers.
Um, actually... Yeah, there are people interested in that. Just like some guys take up skirt photos and videos, as well as down blouse photos and videos and post them on pay sites, there are people who put cameras where they can video people in their bedrooms, bathrooms, etc. then, there are amateur sex sites where people take part in the filming.
Why? Because there is a big audience for this.
I think these photos are private, and their assistants don't have anything to do with it.
I'm workin' on it.
I think these photos are private, and their assistants don't have anything to do with it.
Well, now that we have a better idea how this whole thing happened, it really had nothing to do with iCloud security being compromised.