They change the antennas with virtually every iteration. 4S used a new double antenna design for faster data rates and for compatibility with HSDPA. The assertion that the changes were to cure a real problem with the 4 was unsupported as far as I can recall.
During that Antennagate press conference, Steve said that Apple would "continue to work on antennas that don't have this problem".
1) Aren't you the one the always likes to quote what Steve Jobs said regardless of the relevance to the thread you're posting?
2) And did Apple evolve the external design? It sure seems like it to me but the design was still EXTERNAL. Did Apple still sell the iPhone 4 for years without single recall? Yep, they sure did.
If the purpose of this tour was to address concerns about iPhone 6/6+ bending in people's pockets, it would be helpful to know whether those tests were designed to model the pockets of a 40 pound kid or a 250 pound man. Not everybody carries around a torque wrench, so simply handing out raw numbers without a basis of comparison is not helpful for most people -- certainly not for the people who are up in arms over 'Bend-gate'.
Yes - but actions speak a hell of a lot louder than words.
1<span style="line-height:1.4em;">.) Free bumpers were issued.</span>
<span style="line-height:1.4em;">2.) The antenna was </span>
<em style="line-height:1.4em;">physically </em>
<span style="line-height:1.4em;">?changed with </span>
the<span style="line-height:1.4em;"> 4S.</span>
<span style="line-height:1.4em;">Do you deny this ever happened. Answer the question.</span>
Maybe this isn't great evidence, but I had an iPhone 4 for three years and I never once had a dropped call. I pretended a few calls dropped during that period, but I never experienced it due to the phone. Just one use case, but it did have that antenna design you are claiming was such an issue. The only time I didn't have service was when no one had service (subways & such).
It was on AT&T all the way up the east coast at points if anyone is curious.
Kudos to Tim and Apple for getting this information (video) out to the public. I hope this stops the lame idiots out there from trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill. I just got my iPhone 6 today. If I notice that my pants, shorts, trousers pockets are too small for the phone and it seems uncomfortable then I remove it. Wear bigger pants or shorts and I move or adjust the iPhone 6 in my pocket enough to where it lies flat on my thigh, my pockets are loose and deep enough for that to happen for the most part. So don't put it in the back pocket and sit on it. Just remember to remove it before sitting down. If you wear skinny jeans or tight pants then perhaps one should just carry it or get a murse for (men) or a purse for the ladies.
Okay, How many people wake up and say to themselves, I think I'll grab my new iPhone 6 plus and try and bend it with my bare hands using as much force as possible. ? Nobody.
The phones that were bent were most likely in a back pocket and the person sitting on it I can almost bet was overweight.
As far as all the Android Trolls are concerned, Go look at some older articles of android phones that were malformed straight out of the box.
I'm with pazazu here. otherwise, why change the antenna, and why give the bumpers?
But I also don't think it was a big deal at all. People could intentionally manipulate it to not work- under normal use it was totally fine. Much like pushing on an already bent device as hard as you can doesn't constitute "normal use";)
Huge point being missed here folks. They've continued to sell the 4 in some parts of the world until very recently. The antenna bands and locations where the splits occur are in the same places where they were from the beginning, and yes, they did change them in the 4S, but that speaks nothing to the fact they didn't make that same change to the millions upon millions of 4 models they continued to sell after AntennaGate. This strongly suggests the fix, as Apple stated, had to do with algorithms in the firmware and not in the physical properties of the antenna bands. As with this latest bending issue, the thing that's being bent most is the facts, by individuals whose integrity is eroded by their anti-Apple (anti-American success story) bias.
1) LOL at Bendghazi-gate. Good to cover your bases, eh? How about Bendghazi-Teapot-Dome-gate?
2) I wouldn't mind an hour long impromptu event that gives us a detailed look into he rigorous testing that goes into their devices… but I don't want if means idiots jump on that as proof that Apple made a phone that feels more at home in a Salvador Dali painting**.
If the purpose of this tour was to address concerns about iPhone 6/6+ bending in people's pockets, it would be helpful to know whether those tests were designed to model the pockets of a 40 pound kid or a 250 pound man. Not everybody carries around a torque wrench, so simply handing out raw numbers without a basis of comparison is not helpful for most people -- certainly not for the people who are up in arms over 'Bend-gate'.
Come on!! What the hell point would there be to test the phone for 40 pounds when their average male user is say 200 pounds? Use some god damn logic. You do know that the phone fails in great numbers it both affects Apple immediate bottom line, and its future bottom line (reputation).
The point of a business selling high end, high margin products is to make sure people will have a high satisfaction for their current product so they want to buy it again in the future? How will that be accomplished if they release tens of millions of products that fail if they are used as they should be?
So, of course the products will be tested to death in realistic scenarios till failure. Most times, products are overdesigned in that respect; because they know there will always be people who abuse their device.
The MORONS, yes morons who are up in arms about bendy whatever will not be convinced by anything from Apple, ever. They are in a constant never ending frenzy about anything Apple; seemingly spending their whole days bashing Apple without owning anything Apple!. The week before the release it was the so called Icloud breach.. Remember that one. Yes, everyone and their mother were taking about it... Apple was "Doomed". Then, poof, it disapeered overnight and the ADHD Anti-Apple crowd were all roaming the streets bewildered for a few days until they latched on to this.
So, no, this visit is not for those master idiots. This visit is for the rational people on this planet that hopefully care about the truth (there are still a few of these). This visit is NOT for those who prefer the word of some god damn shady fly by night Youtube idiot with a click bait agenda to a company that actually has to answer to its clients if it fails in any real way.
Interesting that the phones bent around the buttons on the side, but the stress test shown did not focus on this point. They seemed to deliberately avoid showing a test designed to focus on the claimed weaknesses in the frame.
Of course that could also be editing done by a journalist who did not pass secondary school physics.
Yes, Apple tests their phones. But how about comparing those numbers to the amount of force produced by people? It would have been more convincing if Apple invited the largest journalist in the group to try those same tests himself, then show that those machines actually produce more force.
Of course they should, because there is no way that a machine could replicate the force of some fat assed guy sitting in his car seat or a "normal" guy bending metal against his thumbs. I can see that the next Jaws of life are going to consist of a pair of skinny jeans and some sort of ass sling and that at the next natural disaster they will send out people in skinny jeans to lift the rubble to help free people.
Come on!! What the hell point would there be to test the phone for 40 pounds when their average male user is say 200 pounds? Use some god damn logic. You do know that the phone fails in great numbers it both affects Apple immediate bottom line, and its future bottom line (reputation).
The point of a business selling high end, high margin products is to make sure people will have a high satisfaction for their current product so they want to buy it again in the future? How will that be accomplished if they release tens of millions of products that fail if they are used as they should be?
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I have to wonder if part of the problem is that "fans" of Apple's competitors are so used to their companies' short term strategies, lack of customer support, and planned obsolescence that they expect every company to act the same way. People who continually complain about the price premium for Apple products have little understanding of customer retention or build quality because to them, price is everything and there is little value in design, fit & finish, and long term customer satisfaction. They do not appreciate the value proposition inherent in buying a product built to last.
Interesting that the phones bent around the buttons on the side, but the stress test shown did not focus on this point. They seemed to deliberately avoid showing a test designed to focus on the claimed weaknesses in the frame.
Of course that could also be editing done by a journalist who did not pass secondary school physics.
Gee imagine a MSM reporter writing for a non-technical market of consumers not taking extensive pictures of the whole testing process and having an editor let him publish every shot ...
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They change the antennas with virtually every iteration. 4S used a new double antenna design for faster data rates and for compatibility with HSDPA. The assertion that the changes were to cure a real problem with the 4 was unsupported as far as I can recall.
During that Antennagate press conference, Steve said that Apple would "continue to work on antennas that don't have this problem".
http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/live-from-apples-iphone-4-press-conference/
11:06 AM
1) Aren't you the one the always likes to quote what Steve Jobs said regardless of the relevance to the thread you're posting?
2) And did Apple evolve the external design? It sure seems like it to me but the design was still EXTERNAL. Did Apple still sell the iPhone 4 for years without single recall? Yep, they sure did.
You obviously miss the point of the testing.
If the purpose of this tour was to address concerns about iPhone 6/6+ bending in people's pockets, it would be helpful to know whether those tests were designed to model the pockets of a 40 pound kid or a 250 pound man. Not everybody carries around a torque wrench, so simply handing out raw numbers without a basis of comparison is not helpful for most people -- certainly not for the people who are up in arms over 'Bend-gate'.
Absolutely. Lol!
Maybe this isn't great evidence, but I had an iPhone 4 for three years and I never once had a dropped call. I pretended a few calls dropped during that period, but I never experienced it due to the phone. Just one use case, but it did have that antenna design you are claiming was such an issue. The only time I didn't have service was when no one had service (subways & such).
It was on AT&T all the way up the east coast at points if anyone is curious.
Okay, How many people wake up and say to themselves, I think I'll grab my new iPhone 6 plus and try and bend it with my bare hands using as much force as possible. ? Nobody.
The phones that were bent were most likely in a back pocket and the person sitting on it I can almost bet was overweight.
As far as all the Android Trolls are concerned, Go look at some older articles of android phones that were malformed straight out of the box.
Huge point being missed here folks. They've continued to sell the 4 in some parts of the world until very recently. The antenna bands and locations where the splits occur are in the same places where they were from the beginning, and yes, they did change them in the 4S, but that speaks nothing to the fact they didn't make that same change to the millions upon millions of 4 models they continued to sell after AntennaGate. This strongly suggests the fix, as Apple stated, had to do with algorithms in the firmware and not in the physical properties of the antenna bands. As with this latest bending issue, the thing that's being bent most is the facts, by individuals whose integrity is eroded by their anti-Apple (anti-American success story) bias.
Ewww, I think I just threw up a little. Not like Samsung and some others are any better. Ow wait there're not.
1) LOL at Bendghazi-gate. Good to cover your bases, eh? How about Bendghazi-Teapot-Dome-gate?
2) I wouldn't mind an hour long impromptu event that gives us a detailed look into he rigorous testing that goes into their devices… but I don't want if means idiots jump on that as proof that Apple made a phone that feels more at home in a Salvador Dali painting**.
** The idiots won't get that.
Apple will turn this into a positive in the end.
1 Maybe they need to call myth busters.
2. Yes the iPhone 6 and 6plus should be at least as strong as the 5s because with each new phone Apple says it's the best they ever made.
3 Jony I've should issue an apology.
4 just another reason why Apple should buy HTC and put IOS on the One(M8)
No Pictures of an iPhone 6+ testing?
I recognised an iPhone 6 and macbook air?
Perhaps Apple should show us a video of an iPhone 6+ going through the testing process. All we have seen now is a well equipped testing lab.
If the purpose of this tour was to address concerns about iPhone 6/6+ bending in people's pockets, it would be helpful to know whether those tests were designed to model the pockets of a 40 pound kid or a 250 pound man. Not everybody carries around a torque wrench, so simply handing out raw numbers without a basis of comparison is not helpful for most people -- certainly not for the people who are up in arms over 'Bend-gate'.
Come on!! What the hell point would there be to test the phone for 40 pounds when their average male user is say 200 pounds? Use some god damn logic. You do know that the phone fails in great numbers it both affects Apple immediate bottom line, and its future bottom line (reputation).
The point of a business selling high end, high margin products is to make sure people will have a high satisfaction for their current product so they want to buy it again in the future? How will that be accomplished if they release tens of millions of products that fail if they are used as they should be?
So, of course the products will be tested to death in realistic scenarios till failure. Most times, products are overdesigned in that respect; because they know there will always be people who abuse their device.
The MORONS, yes morons who are up in arms about bendy whatever will not be convinced by anything from Apple, ever. They are in a constant never ending frenzy about anything Apple; seemingly spending their whole days bashing Apple without owning anything Apple!. The week before the release it was the so called Icloud breach.. Remember that one. Yes, everyone and their mother were taking about it... Apple was "Doomed". Then, poof, it disapeered overnight and the ADHD Anti-Apple crowd were all roaming the streets bewildered for a few days until they latched on to this.
So, no, this visit is not for those master idiots. This visit is for the rational people on this planet that hopefully care about the truth (there are still a few of these). This visit is NOT for those who prefer the word of some god damn shady fly by night Youtube idiot with a click bait agenda to a company that actually has to answer to its clients if it fails in any real way.
Interesting that the phones bent around the buttons on the side, but the stress test shown did not focus on this point. They seemed to deliberately avoid showing a test designed to focus on the claimed weaknesses in the frame.
Of course that could also be editing done by a journalist who did not pass secondary school physics.
Of course they should, because there is no way that a machine could replicate the force of some fat assed guy sitting in his car seat or a "normal" guy bending metal against his thumbs. I can see that the next Jaws of life are going to consist of a pair of skinny jeans and some sort of ass sling and that at the next natural disaster they will send out people in skinny jeans to lift the rubble to help free people.
So, at what level do you think Apple has a problem... 10, 20 phones...
Given the FUD that appears with monotonous regularity after all recent iPhone releases, I'd say one. :-)
I have to wonder if part of the problem is that "fans" of Apple's competitors are so used to their companies' short term strategies, lack of customer support, and planned obsolescence that they expect every company to act the same way. People who continually complain about the price premium for Apple products have little understanding of customer retention or build quality because to them, price is everything and there is little value in design, fit & finish, and long term customer satisfaction. They do not appreciate the value proposition inherent in buying a product built to last.
Gee imagine a MSM reporter writing for a non-technical market of consumers not taking extensive pictures of the whole testing process and having an editor let him publish every shot ...
2 decades? Isn't that a little excessive? ????