Jony Ive confirms Apple Watch three years in the making as designer's media blitz continues

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  • Reply 101 of 174
    pazuzu wrote: »
    He's a troll and he'll never ever be any good
    He's a troll 'cause he never ever does what he should?

    He's a troll because he posts provocations, and he doesn't carry real conversations.
    Not the same thing as a contrarian.
  • Reply 102 of 174
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    Originally Posted by SpamSandwich View Post

     

     

    http://voices.suntimes.com/business-2/iphone-6-vs-6-plus-andy-ihnatko-has-one-question-for-you/

     

    This reviewer has more experience and credibility on things Apple than 95% of the people who post here. He likes them.




    Great for him. 

     

    I think the iPhone 6 is a GREAT phone.  But the external design is not great.  The iPhone 4 and 5 are works of art on the outside.  They are both form and function.  The iPhone 6 is more function which is acceptable.  I may even buy one as I have bought every single iPhone version when it came out (except the 6).  But I am not in any hurry.  The iPhone 6 looks like an average phone and is not in the style of Apple other then the logo. 

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    Quote:

    Originally Posted by pazuzu View Post



    He's a troll and he'll never ever be any good

    He's a troll 'cause he never ever does what he should?




    He's a troll because he posts provocations, and he doesn't carry real conversations.

    Not the same thing as a contrarian.

     

     

    Only a provocation in the eye of the beholder.

  • Reply 104 of 174
    adybadyb Posts: 183member
    Is anyone else having problems seeing the pictures on their iPad? I'm going to have to get my MacBook to look at Melgross's posts!
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    Originally Posted by AdyB View Post



    Is anyone else having problems seeing the pictures on their iPad? I'm going to have to get my MacBook to look at Melgross's posts!

     

     

    I'm on an iMac, and all pictures in threads are coming up blank for some reason. Must be something wrong.

  • Reply 106 of 174
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    I'm on an iMac, and all pictures in threads are coming up blank for some reason. Must be something wrong.


     

    They were coming up for a while... now they are toast. (iMac and MBP)

     

    [ ... and they're back]

  • Reply 107 of 174
    adonissmuadonissmu Posts: 1,772member
    Marvin wrote: »
    People said the iPad was a bad idea because there wasn't a clear set of exclusive usage scenarios. Developers helped make it worthwhile and the form factor is compelling vs a laptop. There's a usage breakdown here:

    http://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2013/10/interesting-new-study-shows-the-usage-breakdown-for-the-ipad.html

    1000

    The most popular things people like to do are common across multiple computing platforms. The watch platform can't do the top 5. It's not immersive, powerful nor highly functional. It's basically a notification center on your wrist. There's nothing wrong with that but is that worth $350+?

    When it comes to the design, I think that having Jony Ive's name helps but that's not always a good thing. Jony Ive's success has a weight to it that can drive sales of anything he makes. Previously, the only thing that stood between him and the outside would have been Steve. That filter is not there any more because there's no way that Tim would exert any creative filtering on Ive's work so what we get now is the unfiltered Ive.

    Can anyone imagine Steve sitting with the watch and fiddling with the crown dial to navigate the watch UI?

    http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB118532502435077009

    1000
    Are we getting the unfiltered version? Or are we getting the version who is more experienced with his design? Do you know if he is the final say on what designs get released or did you make that up yourself. I think product releases are the result of many people involved not just one person. I know that for a fact.
  • Reply 108 of 174
    flaneurflaneur Posts: 4,509member
    pazuzu wrote: »
    Ive is extremely overrated. Steve would reign him in. It's been well documented how he's stolen extensively from the house of Braun and Leica most successfully.

    ". . . the house of Braun and Leica"? I didn't know they were living together.

    Anyway there's this little inconvenient thing you are ignoring about styles or movements in design, like Bauhaus, for example. Ive's designs belong to a tradition of those who shape things simply and functionally like Dieter Rams and Leica's designers did, both of whom he's acknowledged and thanked as influences.

    Only a cad would say he's "stolen" from his predecessors. Or a simpleton who's never been inspired by anyone.

    By the way, I'm only quoting you because pfisher does a few posts later. You should be ignored, but sometimes the windows have to be opened and the place aired out.
  • Reply 109 of 174
    flaneurflaneur Posts: 4,509member
    pfisher wrote: »

    Okay, got off topic there, but it's the idea of Apple losing it.

    That's serious coming from you, an expert in losing it.
  • Reply 110 of 174
    paul94544paul94544 Posts: 1,027member

    Don't feed the trolls

  • Reply 111 of 174
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 31,472member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Marvin View Post





    People said the iPad was a bad idea because there wasn't a clear set of exclusive usage scenarios. Developers helped make it worthwhile and the form factor is compelling vs a laptop. There's a usage breakdown here:



    http://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2013/10/interesting-new-study-shows-the-usage-breakdown-for-the-ipad.html







    The most popular things people like to do are common across multiple computing platforms. The watch platform can't do the top 5. It's not immersive, powerful nor highly functional. It's basically a notification center on your wrist. There's nothing wrong with that but is that worth $350+?



    When it comes to the design, I think that having Jony Ive's name helps but that's not always a good thing. Jony Ive's success has a weight to it that can drive sales of anything he makes. Previously, the only thing that stood between him and the outside would have been Steve. That filter is not there any more because there's no way that Tim would exert any creative filtering on Ive's work so what we get now is the unfiltered Ive.



    Can anyone imagine Steve sitting with the watch and fiddling with the crown dial to navigate the watch UI?



    http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB118532502435077009




    I can't really agree with that. Maybe education? But the rest are doable. Certainly, E-commerce is there with Apple pay. Social has been shown.

     

    As far as the crown goes, its been called a good solution by writers on watches. You may not like it, but it makes sense.

     

    From Ariel Adams for A Blog to Watch

     

    "While your finger is used to move around the screen and swipe, the crown is a key element in how you interact with the Apple Watch. In addition to the crown being used as a button (pusher) it is also a scroll wheel. The crown is thus used to zoom (which has a new meaning in the Apple Watch OS), but is also used to scroll through documents such as e-mails and messages. In the future, when I further test the Apple Watch, I'll be in a better position to comment on the ease of using the interface. I can, however, say that it is among the best (if not the outright best) interfaces I have seen from any smartwatch device today... or even small device overall that is on the market."

     

    Link:

     

    Apple Watch Hands-On: The Wristwatch Just Caught Up To The 21st Century | aBlogtoWatch

  • Reply 112 of 174
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 31,472member
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    Originally Posted by AdyB View Post

    Is anyone else having problems seeing the pictures on their iPad? I'm going to have to get my MacBook to look at Melgross's posts!

    I"ve gotten a private message about this, and I don"t understand it, as they all show up on my iPad Air, with 8.0.2. I did these posts on my MacPro. But AI has been freezing for me here today for the first time. It happens when I'm in the middle of posting. I close the window and open another one going back to AI and where I left off. Very strange! I'm now continuing on my iPad.

  • Reply 113 of 174
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 31,472member

    Only a provocation in the eye of the beholder.

    Yes, well, that IS what it means, isn't it? But I do think that a lot of people here post that way on purpose. Particularly some new posters who seem to be here for the sole purpose of creating havoc.
  • Reply 114 of 174
    adybadyb Posts: 183member
    melgross wrote: »
    <div class="quote-container" data-huddler-embed="/t/182618/jony-ive-confirms-apple-watch-three-years-in-the-making-as-designers-media-blitz-continues/80#post_2611280" data-huddler-embed-placeholder="false">Quote:<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>AdyB</strong> <a href="/t/182618/jony-ive-confirms-apple-watch-three-years-in-the-making-as-designers-media-blitz-continues/80#post_2611280"><img alt="View Post" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" /></a><br /><br />Is anyone else having problems seeing the pictures on their iPad? I'm going to have to get my MacBook to look at Melgross's posts!</div></div><p>I"ve gotten a private message about this, and I don"t understand it, as they all show up on my iPad Air, with 8.0.2. I did these posts on my MacPro. But AI has been freezing for me here today for the first time. It happens when I'm in the middle of posting. I close the window and open another one going back to AI and where I left off. Very strange! I'm now continuing on my iPad.

    Its working now on my iPad Air!!
  • Reply 115 of 174
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 31,472member
    flaneur wrote: »
    ". . . the house of Braun and Leica"? I didn't know they were living together.

    Anyway there's this little inconvenient thing you are ignoring about styles or movements in design, like Bauhaus, for example. Ive's designs belong to a tradition of those who shape things simply and functionally like Dieter Rams and Leica's designers did, both of whom he's acknowledged and thanked as influences.

    Only a cad would say he's "stolen" from his predecessors. Or a simpleton who's never been inspired by anyone.

    By the way, I'm only quoting you because pfisher does a few posts later. You should be ignored, but sometimes the windows have to be opened and the place aired out.

    What these guys do is to make remarks without having the slightest idea of what they're talking about. They read some small thing somewhere that has no detail, or references to anything, and then state it here, knowing that it will annoy people. When the errors are pointed out, they ignore them in their responses, and go on about other things. Lazuli has been consistant about this. He ignores the points I make and blathers on about something else.

    As far as Rams is concerned, there was an interview with him that I bookmarked some time ago. Lets see how he feels about Ivy and Apple.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/apple/8555503/Dieter-Rams-Apple-has-achieved-something-I-never-did.html
  • Reply 116 of 174
    melgross wrote: »
    Marvin wrote: »
    People said the iPad was a bad idea because there wasn't a clear set of exclusive usage scenarios. Developers helped make it worthwhile and the form factor is compelling vs a laptop. There's a usage breakdown here:

    http://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2013/10/interesting-new-study-shows-the-usage-breakdown-for-the-ipad.html

    <img alt="" class="lightbox-enabled" data-id="50034" data-type="61" src="http://forums.appleinsider.com/content/type/61/id/50034/width/500/height/1000/flags/LL" style="; width: 500px; height: 417px">



    The most popular things people like to do are common across multiple computing platforms. The watch platform can't do the top 5. It's not immersive, powerful nor highly functional. It's basically a notification center on your wrist. There's nothing wrong with that but is that worth $350+?


    When it comes to the design, I think that having Jony Ive's name helps but that's not always a good thing. Jony Ive's success has a weight to it that can drive sales of anything he makes. Previously, the only thing that stood between him and the outside would have been Steve. That filter is not there any more because there's no way that Tim would exert any creative filtering on Ive's work so what we get now is the unfiltered Ive.


    Can anyone imagine Steve sitting with the watch and fiddling with the crown dial to navigate the watch UI?

    http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB118532502435077009

    <img alt="" class="lightbox-enabled" data-id="50038" data-type="61" src="http://forums.appleinsider.com/content/type/61/id/50038/width/500/height/1000/flags/LL" style="; width: 453px; height: 332px">
    I can't really agree with that. Maybe education? But the rest are doable. Certainly, E-commerce is there with Apple pay. Social has been shown.

    As far as the crown goes, its been called a good solution by writers on watches. You may not like it, but it makes sense.

    From Ariel Adams for A Blog to Watch

    "While your finger is used to move around the screen and swipe, the crown is a key element in how you interact with the Apple Watch. In addition to the crown being used as a button (pusher) it is also a scroll wheel. The crown is thus used to zoom (which has a new meaning in the Apple Watch OS), but is also used to scroll through documents such as e-mails and messages. In the future, when I further test the Apple Watch, I'll be in a better position to comment on the ease of using the interface. I can, however, say that it is among the best (if not the outright best) interfaces I have seen from any smartwatch device today... or even small device overall that is on the market."

    Link:

    <a href="http://www.ablogtowatch.com/apple-watch-hands-on-review/" style="line-height:1.4em;" target="_blank">Apple Watch Hands-On: The Wristwatch Just Caught Up To The 21st Century | aBlogtoWatch</a>

    For me, the digital crown reminds me of Steve Jobs's quote:

    "If you need a stylus, you blew it."
  • Reply 117 of 174
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 31,472member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Flaneur View Post





    ". . . the house of Braun and Leica"? I didn't know they were living together.



    Anyway there's this little inconvenient thing you are ignoring about styles or movements in design, like Bauhaus, for example. Ive's designs belong to a tradition of those who shape things simply and functionally like Dieter Rams and Leica's designers did, both of whom he's acknowledged and thanked as influences.



    Only a cad would say he's "stolen" from his predecessors. Or a simpleton who's never been inspired by anyone.



    By the way, I'm only quoting you because pfisher does a few posts later. You should be ignored, but sometimes the windows have to be opened and the place aired out.

    What these guys do is to make remarks without having the slightest idea ofwhat theyre talking about. They re

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by AdyB View Post





    Its working now on my iPad Air!!

    Strange!

  • Reply 118 of 174
    melgross wrote: »
    flaneur wrote: »
    ". . . the house of Braun and Leica"? I didn't know they were living together.


    Anyway there's this little inconvenient thing you are ignoring about styles or movements in design, like Bauhaus, for example. Ive's designs belong to a tradition of those who shape things simply and functionally like Dieter Rams and Leica's designers did, both of whom he's acknowledged and thanked as influences.


    Only a cad would say he's "stolen" from his predecessors. Or a simpleton who's never been inspired by anyone.


    By the way, I'm only quoting you because pfisher does a few posts later. You should be ignored, but sometimes the windows have to be opened and the place aired out.
    What these guys do is to make remarks without having the slightest idea ofwhat theyre talking about. They re
    adyb wrote: »
    Its working now on my iPad Air!!
    Strange!

    The pics are back now on my iPhone.

    Interesting watches you posted. I like traditional, classic, simple, elegant watches, but I can see that these would appeal to some.
  • Reply 119 of 174
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 31,472member
    <div class="quote-container" data-huddler-embed="/t/182618/jony-ive-confirms-apple-watch-three-years-in-the-making-as-designers-media-blitz-continues/80#post_2611347" data-huddler-embed-placeholder="false">Quote:<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Benjamin Frost</strong> <a href="/t/182618/jony-ive-confirms-apple-watch-three-years-in-the-making-as-designers-media-blitz-continues/80#post_2611347"><img alt="View Post" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" /></a><br /><br /><br />For me, the digital crown reminds me of Steve Jobs's quote:<br /><br />"If you need a stylus, you blew it."</div></div><p>Not really. I stylus is a seperate part</p>
    For me, the digital crown reminds me of Steve Jobs's quote:

    "If you need a stylus, you blew it."

    Not really. A stylus is a seperate part, buttons and dials aren't. This is just like the buttons on the iPhone and iPad. Do you want to get rid of them too? I hope not! The home/start/ID button is a very important part of the devices. This is a very important part of the watch.

    The idea that something new MUST obsolete something old isn't correct. Cars still have wheels, they didn't get rid of them when cars supplanted the buggy. There's no reason to suppose that the crown must also be replaced. All smart watches I've seen have at least one button. Some have more. This seems to be a good way to scroll, magnify and select. I think you are just trying to be orney.
  • Reply 120 of 174
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 31,472member
    The pics are back now on my iPhone.

    Interesting watches you posted. I like traditional, classic, simple, elegant watches, but I can see that these would appeal to some.

    That screwed up part of my post you have there was one of the posts that froze on me. I finished it up using my iPad.

    As far as those watches I posted, I posted them because of the assertion that the Apple Watch was not easily readable, and that mechanical watches always had hands that were easy to read. The reality is that many do not. There are even more further out watches that I didn't post. Only people who really don't know watches ever make statements like that.

    My thing about the Apple Watch is not that is will appeal to everyone, because it won't, but that statements that it isn't good because of some odd thinking that every watch appeals to everyone, and as this isn't perfect, it's no good at all, is obviously false.

    So there are those who will only buy round watches. Those who only want thin watches, etc. that's what it's all about, isn't it? I find it to be interesting that looking through the high end watch magazines offered through Newsstand (for free), though they cost a lot when bought in the paper version, the owners and designers of the major high end companies are pretty much always wearing a square, or rectangular, watch. That's despite the fact that two thirds of watches are round. Just an interesting observation.
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