I know that many do not like to use some of those stores anyway. I myself try to avoid Walmart. However, for everyone else, you should make a point of saying something to the managers of the stores. As one poster suggested a few weeks ago, have them ring up your big screen tv only to be shocked when they say they don't support ApplePay. Tell the manager why you are leaving without the TV. The old cliché is true, if enough people do it....
Some of you sure find some interesting ways to spend your free time. I hope Apple pays you for the services you're rendering.
I'm sick and tired of these stores losing our information. We've had to have 5 cards replaced in the past 6 months with 2 being sold and used just last week because of data breaches.
I can't wait to be able to actually shop securely.
Once there's a security breach at a company (Home Depot, Target), I cut them off for life...and I think others are like me...these companies think their customers are morons or chumps and have no respect for them.
Walk into any mall in the United States and stop people at random and tell them this is happening and they won't have a clue what you are talking about. I am still amazed at how many times I am behind someone in line who is paying with exact change, digging around in their pocket or purse for that last penny. People in general are not very sophisticated when it comes to technology. I remember talking about smart cards back in the late 80's. Where are they now. Give a merchant a way to make money on this and they will sign up in a heartbeat. Merchants could give a rats ass about your security or convienence. Show them the money!
Macy's may be responsible when you use your Macy's card, but when using a major credit card, the card is, I believe, responsible, unless or until the card company demonstrates a pattern of negligence by the merchant - at least that's my recollection as a former retailer (one lifetime of several).
That changes next year. The merchants will then be responsible and will have
If they upgrade to chip and PIN, which is not NFC, why should they pay more to upgrade to NFC?
Oops.... Deleted part of my post. It was supposed to continue that... Since most of them haven't upgraded yet, there is a definite incentive to upgrade technologies. The question is only what technology and the cost of upgrading to chip/pin only versus upgrading to chip/pin / NFC should be minimal. Those that don't will simply have a higher burden in a few years down the road when they have to add NFC.
Once there's a security breach at a company (Home Depot, Target), I cut them off for life...and I think others are like me...these companies think their customers are morons or chumps and have no respect for them.
I think the are some like you, but not a majority. Plus, some don't have a choice. And what happens when everyone is breached? Are you not shopping anywhere ever again?
Oops.... Deleted part of my post. It was supposed to continue that... Since most of them haven't upgraded yet, there is a definite incentive to upgrade technologies. The question is only what technology and the cost of upgrading to chip/pin only versus upgrading to chip/pin / NFC should be minimal. Those that don't will simply have a higher burden in a few years down the road when they have to add NFC.
Since the plan to upgrade is apparently being driven solely by an alliance between credit card companies, there must be some subsidization or monetary incentive behind it.
This is completely anecdotal, but every time I or anyone else have had their card numbers stolen the thieves have always made purchases at Walmart*. Why is that? Is it simply because Walmart offers a wide range of items, or because the thieves feel safer in an environment with a large number of people, because of the self-pay checkout, and/or because Walmart is less strict about where their funds come from. If it's in any way the latter it would make for Apple to not want to adopt ?Pay as it would directly hurt their revenue and profits.
* Is it Walmart, WalMart, Wal-Mart, Wal•Mart or WALL•Eworld?
Merchants want their own invasive systems in place because they are harvesting customer data through their payment systems. Apple Pay cuts them out of the data harvesting and targeted marketing game so it's natural that they're unwilling to sign up. Some of them are also not convinced that Apple Pay will be successful based on their experience with earlier attempts by Google and others.
Apple should also be driving this technology through organizations and consortiums like the national retail federation (NRF).
This is completely anecdotal, but every time I or anyone else have had their card numbers stolen the thieves have always made purchases at Walmart*. Why is that? Is it simply because Walmart offers a wide range of items, or because the thieves feel safer in an environment with a large number of people, because of the self-pay checkout, and/or because Walmart is less strict about where their funds come from. If it's in any way the latter it would make for Apple to not want to adopt ?Pay as it would directly hurt their revenue and profits.
* Is it Walmart, WalMart, Wal-Mart, Wal•Mart or WALL•Eworld?
Interestingly, they've adopted the name "Walmart" online and for their store identity, but their legal corporate name is still "Wal-Mart Stores, Inc."
Probably did this to unify the online and physical store identity. I hate having to enter a "-" for any web address.
This is completely anecdotal, but every time I or anyone else have had their card numbers stolen the thieves have always made purchases at Walmart*. Why is that? Is it simply because Walmart offers a wide range of items, or because the thieves feel safer in an environment with a large number of people, because of the self-pay checkout, and/or because Walmart is less strict about where their funds come from. If it's in any way the latter it would make for Apple to not want to adopt ?Pay as it would directly hurt their revenue and profits.
* Is it Walmart, WalMart, Wal-Mart, Wal•Mart or WALL•Eworld?
I'm not familiar with that one even though I had seen WALL•E. I had to look it up. Great name.
The way you capitalized WALL•Eworld made me think it was a reference to that movie. I did know that there was a Wally World, but couldn't quite remember where I'd seen it (even though I actually watched National Lampoon's Vacation recently).
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I know that many do not like to use some of those stores anyway. I myself try to avoid Walmart. However, for everyone else, you should make a point of saying something to the managers of the stores. As one poster suggested a few weeks ago, have them ring up your big screen tv only to be shocked when they say they don't support ApplePay. Tell the manager why you are leaving without the TV. The old cliché is true, if enough people do it....
Some of you sure find some interesting ways to spend your free time. I hope Apple pays you for the services you're rendering.
If they upgrade to chip and PIN, which is not NFC, why should they pay more to upgrade to NFC?
I can't wait to be able to actually shop securely.
Gotta support the team!
Macy's may be responsible when you use your Macy's card, but when using a major credit card, the card is, I believe, responsible, unless or until the card company demonstrates a pattern of negligence by the merchant - at least that's my recollection as a former retailer (one lifetime of several).
That changes next year. The merchants will then be responsible and will have
to pay.
Interesting - source? I'd like to learn more.
I didn't know about this either, but here's an article: http://m.wsj.com/articles/BL-234B-3681
I didn't know about this either, but here's an article: http://m.wsj.com/articles/BL-234B-3681
Excellent, thanks...and it's good to see that democracy still works in such a way that the biggest dog commandeers the bone! /:
I think the are some like you, but not a majority. Plus, some don't have a choice. And what happens when everyone is breached? Are you not shopping anywhere ever again?
Since the plan to upgrade is apparently being driven solely by an alliance between credit card companies, there must be some subsidization or monetary incentive behind it.
* Is it Walmart, WalMart, Wal-Mart, Wal•Mart or WALL•Eworld?
Apple should also be driving this technology through organizations and consortiums like the national retail federation (NRF).
Interestingly, they've adopted the name "Walmart" online and for their store identity, but their legal corporate name is still "Wal-Mart Stores, Inc."
Probably did this to unify the online and physical store identity. I hate having to enter a "-" for any web address.
This is completely anecdotal, but every time I or anyone else have had their card numbers stolen the thieves have always made purchases at Walmart*. Why is that? Is it simply because Walmart offers a wide range of items, or because the thieves feel safer in an environment with a large number of people, because of the self-pay checkout, and/or because Walmart is less strict about where their funds come from. If it's in any way the latter it would make for Apple to not want to adopt ?Pay as it would directly hurt their revenue and profits.
* Is it Walmart, WalMart, Wal-Mart, Wal•Mart or WALL•Eworld?
You mean Buy 'n' Large.
"Welcome to Costco... I love you... Welcome to Costco... I love you..."
I'm not familiar with that one even though I had seen WALL•E. I had to look it up. Great name.
Wally World — National Lampoon's Vacation (1983)
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S-Mart — Army of Darkness (1992)
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Buy More — "Chuck" (2007-2012)
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I'm not familiar with that one even though I had seen WALL•E. I had to look it up. Great name.
The way you capitalized WALL•Eworld made me think it was a reference to that movie. I did know that there was a Wally World, but couldn't quite remember where I'd seen it (even though I actually watched National Lampoon's Vacation recently).