What you don't want is a battery that only lasts part of the day, and then you get a lot of people walking around at 4 or 5pm with these dead Apple Watches on their wrists, and it becomes like a running gag about the Apple Watch, with stand up comedians joking about everyone having a dead watch. Most people sleep 7-8 hours so the battery life should be 16 or 17.
THIS.
THIS.
THIS.
I don't care if I have to charge it every night.
I DO care if it dies by the time I get off work - it should last throughout the day and into the late evening at the very least since charging one of these puppies is way more inconvenient than a simple phone.
Is there any data for '06 to '14? What if there were significant improvements in those years?
I don't see much. If there had been any breakthroughs, I bet we'd see some graphs.
[EDIT -- removed image (said 2002, though it was 2012 :P) ]
We do have some newer technologies (like Li-air) in the pipeline, but projections on their cost reductions are just projections. They will be a solid improvement though. I'm guessing we'll have some new technology in consumer products in another 5-10 years. The thing about technology though, is that it consumes available resources. My bet is that our phone batteries will always last about the same amount of time because the technology will just use up the extra juice.
This is the point I have been making all along, The power up time is going to be the gating factor, No one have solved this problem you. For those who use watches daily, we all use to getting years of use out of our watches before even thinking about having to replace the battery. Even is you have some sort of auto winder or kinetic energy storage solution you gets days out of the charge up.
Yes people will buy this, but they will be disappointed in having to take it off and keep it charged all the time. This is why apple is not going to provide details on how well the product is doing, it going to be hobby which may help sell other apple products.
I DO care if it dies by the time I get off work - it should last throughout the day and into the late evening at the very least since charging one of these puppies is way more inconvenient than a simple phone.
I agree with you, but what do you mean by that last part? Based on what we've heard, charging an Apple Watch will be rather elegant--just a matter of putting it atop of an attractive inductive charging stand. (Personally, I'm one of those odd people who wears their watch to bed, so it would be somewhat inconvenient for me. My uncorrected vision is such that I can easily read a watch, but can't read a bedside clock.) Or did you mean that having one of these run out of charge would be way more inconvenient than having a phone run out of charge? I have to disagree with that. You're not going to get stranded somewhere is your watch dies; losing communications (and all your apps) can ruin one's day. But I expect (based on these comments) that the Apple Watch will typically have a longer batter life than an iPhone and easily last a full day. If it lasts less than 16 hours, they'll have a major problem.
If you are going to say something like this and call someone out then commit to it... don't give yourself an out.
Either you feel he is right or he is wrong... period.
That's silly. He's obviously wrong ("I can't imagine anyone wanting this after that remark."). But if, by some miracle, he's right, then we'll see. I'm not giving myself an out.
This is the point I have been making all along, The power up time is going to be the gating factor, No one have solved this problem you. For those who use watches daily, we all use to getting years of use out of our watches before even thinking about having to replace the battery. Even is you have some sort of auto winder or kinetic energy storage solution you gets days out of the charge up.
Yes people will buy this, but they will be disappointed in having to take it off and keep it charged all the time. This is why apple is not going to provide details on how well the product is doing, it going to be hobby which may help sell other apple products.
So we have another prediction (or 2): "Apple will not provide sales numbers for the Apple Watch and will declare it a 'hobby.'"
I expect the opposite. If Apple doesn't release sales figures that will tell me that the Apple Watch is not selling as well as Apple anticipated (and therefore could be considered, in some sense, a failure). But just as with Macs, iPods, iPhones, and iPads I expect that Apple will announce rough sales figures along with analysis such as "In the first 3 months we've sold more Apple Watches than all other "smart" watches in history, combined. And we can't make them fast enough to keep up with demand."
I agree with you, but what do you mean by that last part? Based on what we've heard, charging an Apple Watch will be rather elegant--just a matter of putting it atop of an attractive inductive charging stand. (Personally, I'm one of those odd people who wears their watch to bed, so it would be somewhat inconvenient for me. My uncorrected vision is such that I can easily read a watch, but can't read a bedside clock.) Or did you mean that having one of these run out of charge would be way more inconvenient than having a phone run out of charge? I have to disagree with that. You're not going to get stranded somewhere is your watch dies; losing communications (and all your apps) can ruin one's day. But I expect (based on these comments) that the Apple Watch will typically have a longer batter life than an iPhone and easily last a full day. If it lasts less than 16 hours, they'll have a major problem.
More inconvenient in the fact that if your phone dies or is running low you have a lot of avenues to charge it whilst not so many with ? Watch. Let's say I'm on my way home from work and it dies (around 4pm), then I have to go home, and if I have time, take it off, and pop it on the charger. If there's not enough time in between, I'm SOL as far as using my awesome watch for the rest of the night. Meanwhile, charging your phone is a lot more convenient - from car chargers to quick charging stations, to friends with cables, the avenues are quite expansive for just a short charge. Plus, a short charge is all you need because charging it doesn't require taking it off and on (albeit that's a small annoyance).
Of course, I'm sure I or you could just carry around a charging cable for it (or find one), but, it's still an inconvenience to have to take it off and put it on again - and depending on how well it charged when you got the chance - potentially multiple times throughout the day.
Totes okay with it dying every so often, but if not lasting a full day is a regular thing, it'll be a major turn off for me.
The present limitations on battery life are not governed by the laws of physics - simply by the constraints of existing technology on power usage and battery energy density. Neither are anywhere near the fundamental limits imposed by basic physics, and are continuously improving.
That's a pointless response, not least because it doesn't remotely address my observation. Your snide suggestion to look at the WP entry for physics suggests only that you don't understand physics yourself. If you would like to debate the substance of the issue then feel free to try to explain why I'm wrong.
And, as it happens, unlike you I am a physicist, so I don't need a refresher.
The present limitations on battery life are not governed by the laws of physics - simply by the constraints of existing technology on power usage and battery energy density. Neither are anywhere near the fundamental limits imposed by basic physics, and are continuously improving.
Continuously improving linearly is not enough. We're stagnating again, waiting for the next big advancement.
I didn't say linearly, although I implied monotonic, which is true, of course. Technology advancement is generally unsteady, so I wouldn't worry to much about the occasional plateau. Additionally, while energy storage may not be improving as fast as we might like, computational power use is declining steadily, so both factors need to be taken into account.
I am very excited about its potential as a health monitoring device and for getting in touch and caring for elder people and those with any degenerative brain condition, god be with them by the way for what they have to deal with.
About the TV thing- no, I'm not "living in the 70's".
hes referring to the industry more than the end user. and yes it is tragically trapped in the past in a number of ways including the notion of a tv season, the whole ratings system, global restrictions. Much of the trouble is the networks themselves and in particular their cable contracts. but they are starting to wise up and as the contracts expire they are thinking stand alone options etc. thats why HBO and Starz are talking about this now even though users have been yelling for it for ages.
hes referring to the industry more than the end user. and yes it is tragically trapped in the past in a number of ways including the notion of a tv season, the whole ratings system, global restrictions. Much of the trouble is the networks themselves and in particular their cable contracts. but they are starting to wise up and as the contracts expire they are thinking stand alone options etc. thats why HBO and Starz are talking about this now even though users have been yelling for it for ages.
That's easy for him to say- Apple's not producing any content like Netflix, Amazon, etc.
The Apple TV's been stuck in a quote in the Isaacson book for more than 3 years.
I DO care if it dies by the time I get off work - it should last throughout the day and into the late evening at the very least since charging one of these puppies is way more inconvenient than a simple phone.
given that Cook said folks will likely need to charge it every day BECAUSE THEY WILL USE IT SO MUCH i suspect they have that issue covered.
I agree with you, but what do you mean by that last part? Based on what we've heard, charging an Apple Watch will be rather elegant--just a matter of putting it atop of an attractive inductive charging stand.
not sure what rumor site you got that off of but we were shown how how it charges in the keynote and its not a stand, dish etc.
given that Cook said folks will likely need to charge it every day BECAUSE THEY WILL USE IT SO MUCH i suspect they have that issue covered.
Did he explicitly say because we'll use it so much? Or is that summarized from how he worded, "you'll wind up charging it every night"? Asking for clarity, not to be a jerk.
Of course there will a period when I can't keep my hands off of it, but, I'm talking about general usage over the duration of ownership. If I end up using it a lot because it's that convenient, I expect it to last through that usage and the entire day.
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not sure what rumor site you got that off of but we were shown how how it charges in the keynote and its not a stand, dish etc.
I'm willing to bet Apple will offer a stand to place it nicely on your nightstand besides you, similar to how they provided a dock with the original iPhone (that was sweet!).
I don't see daily charging as a deal breaker. However, it is another plug and charger one must carry around just in case one doesn't return home every day, which may be burdensome for some users.
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What you don't want is a battery that only lasts part of the day, and then you get a lot of people walking around at 4 or 5pm with these dead Apple Watches on their wrists, and it becomes like a running gag about the Apple Watch, with stand up comedians joking about everyone having a dead watch. Most people sleep 7-8 hours so the battery life should be 16 or 17.
THIS.
THIS.
THIS.
I don't care if I have to charge it every night.
I DO care if it dies by the time I get off work - it should last throughout the day and into the late evening at the very least since charging one of these puppies is way more inconvenient than a simple phone.
Someone save this comment. I expect that paz will forget he said this 2 years from now (unless against all odds he's actually right, of course).
If you are going to say something like this and call someone out then commit to it... don't give yourself an out.
Either you feel he is right or he is wrong... period.
Is there any data for '06 to '14? What if there were significant improvements in those years?
I don't see much. If there had been any breakthroughs, I bet we'd see some graphs.
[EDIT -- removed image (said 2002, though it was 2012 :P) ]
We do have some newer technologies (like Li-air) in the pipeline, but projections on their cost reductions are just projections. They will be a solid improvement though. I'm guessing we'll have some new technology in consumer products in another 5-10 years. The thing about technology though, is that it consumes available resources. My bet is that our phone batteries will always last about the same amount of time because the technology will just use up the extra juice.
This is the point I have been making all along, The power up time is going to be the gating factor, No one have solved this problem you. For those who use watches daily, we all use to getting years of use out of our watches before even thinking about having to replace the battery. Even is you have some sort of auto winder or kinetic energy storage solution you gets days out of the charge up.
Yes people will buy this, but they will be disappointed in having to take it off and keep it charged all the time. This is why apple is not going to provide details on how well the product is doing, it going to be hobby which may help sell other apple products.
THIS.
THIS.
THIS.
I don't care if I have to charge it every night.
I DO care if it dies by the time I get off work - it should last throughout the day and into the late evening at the very least since charging one of these puppies is way more inconvenient than a simple phone.
I agree with you, but what do you mean by that last part? Based on what we've heard, charging an Apple Watch will be rather elegant--just a matter of putting it atop of an attractive inductive charging stand. (Personally, I'm one of those odd people who wears their watch to bed, so it would be somewhat inconvenient for me. My uncorrected vision is such that I can easily read a watch, but can't read a bedside clock.) Or did you mean that having one of these run out of charge would be way more inconvenient than having a phone run out of charge? I have to disagree with that. You're not going to get stranded somewhere is your watch dies; losing communications (and all your apps) can ruin one's day. But I expect (based on these comments) that the Apple Watch will typically have a longer batter life than an iPhone and easily last a full day. If it lasts less than 16 hours, they'll have a major problem.
Is there any data for '06 to '14? What if there were significant improvements in those years?
no, battier preforance has not significantly change in the last 10 yrs, it is small improvements.
If you are going to say something like this and call someone out then commit to it... don't give yourself an out.
Either you feel he is right or he is wrong... period.
That's silly. He's obviously wrong ("I can't imagine anyone wanting this after that remark."). But if, by some miracle, he's right, then we'll see. I'm not giving myself an out.
This is the point I have been making all along, The power up time is going to be the gating factor, No one have solved this problem you. For those who use watches daily, we all use to getting years of use out of our watches before even thinking about having to replace the battery. Even is you have some sort of auto winder or kinetic energy storage solution you gets days out of the charge up.
Yes people will buy this, but they will be disappointed in having to take it off and keep it charged all the time. This is why apple is not going to provide details on how well the product is doing, it going to be hobby which may help sell other apple products.
So we have another prediction (or 2): "Apple will not provide sales numbers for the Apple Watch and will declare it a 'hobby.'"
I expect the opposite. If Apple doesn't release sales figures that will tell me that the Apple Watch is not selling as well as Apple anticipated (and therefore could be considered, in some sense, a failure). But just as with Macs, iPods, iPhones, and iPads I expect that Apple will announce rough sales figures along with analysis such as "In the first 3 months we've sold more Apple Watches than all other "smart" watches in history, combined. And we can't make them fast enough to keep up with demand."
I agree with you, but what do you mean by that last part? Based on what we've heard, charging an Apple Watch will be rather elegant--just a matter of putting it atop of an attractive inductive charging stand. (Personally, I'm one of those odd people who wears their watch to bed, so it would be somewhat inconvenient for me. My uncorrected vision is such that I can easily read a watch, but can't read a bedside clock.) Or did you mean that having one of these run out of charge would be way more inconvenient than having a phone run out of charge? I have to disagree with that. You're not going to get stranded somewhere is your watch dies; losing communications (and all your apps) can ruin one's day. But I expect (based on these comments) that the Apple Watch will typically have a longer batter life than an iPhone and easily last a full day. If it lasts less than 16 hours, they'll have a major problem.
More inconvenient in the fact that if your phone dies or is running low you have a lot of avenues to charge it whilst not so many with ? Watch. Let's say I'm on my way home from work and it dies (around 4pm), then I have to go home, and if I have time, take it off, and pop it on the charger. If there's not enough time in between, I'm SOL as far as using my awesome watch for the rest of the night. Meanwhile, charging your phone is a lot more convenient - from car chargers to quick charging stations, to friends with cables, the avenues are quite expansive for just a short charge. Plus, a short charge is all you need because charging it doesn't require taking it off and on (albeit that's a small annoyance).
Of course, I'm sure I or you could just carry around a charging cable for it (or find one), but, it's still an inconvenience to have to take it off and put it on again - and depending on how well it charged when you got the chance - potentially multiple times throughout the day.
Totes okay with it dying every so often, but if not lasting a full day is a regular thing, it'll be a major turn off for me.
That's a pointless response, not least because it doesn't remotely address my observation. Your snide suggestion to look at the WP entry for physics suggests only that you don't understand physics yourself. If you would like to debate the substance of the issue then feel free to try to explain why I'm wrong.
And, as it happens, unlike you I am a physicist, so I don't need a refresher.
most folks are likely to feel that way
I didn't say linearly, although I implied monotonic, which is true, of course. Technology advancement is generally unsteady, so I wouldn't worry to much about the occasional plateau. Additionally, while energy storage may not be improving as fast as we might like, computational power use is declining steadily, so both factors need to be taken into account.
I am very excited about its potential as a health monitoring device and for getting in touch and caring for elder people and those with any degenerative brain condition, god be with them by the way for what they have to deal with.
hes referring to the industry more than the end user. and yes it is tragically trapped in the past in a number of ways including the notion of a tv season, the whole ratings system, global restrictions. Much of the trouble is the networks themselves and in particular their cable contracts. but they are starting to wise up and as the contracts expire they are thinking stand alone options etc. thats why HBO and Starz are talking about this now even though users have been yelling for it for ages.
That's easy for him to say- Apple's not producing any content like Netflix, Amazon, etc.
The Apple TV's been stuck in a quote in the Isaacson book for more than 3 years.
given that Cook said folks will likely need to charge it every day BECAUSE THEY WILL USE IT SO MUCH i suspect they have that issue covered.
not sure what rumor site you got that off of but we were shown how how it charges in the keynote and its not a stand, dish etc.
not sure what rumor site you got that off of but we were shown how how it charges in the keynote and its not a stand, dish etc.
In Paris they were displayed charging on stands. There will be plenty of third party charging solutions.
... charging it ,,, with this little beauty:
given that Cook said folks will likely need to charge it every day BECAUSE THEY WILL USE IT SO MUCH i suspect they have that issue covered.
Did he explicitly say because we'll use it so much? Or is that summarized from how he worded, "you'll wind up charging it every night"? Asking for clarity, not to be a jerk.
Of course there will a period when I can't keep my hands off of it, but, I'm talking about general usage over the duration of ownership. If I end up using it a lot because it's that convenient, I expect it to last through that usage and the entire day.
I'm willing to bet Apple will offer a stand to place it nicely on your nightstand besides you, similar to how they provided a dock with the original iPhone (that was sweet!).