I cannot imagine what the internet would look like if it had been "treated like a public utility" from the beginning. We would probably have thousands of really impressive gopher sites to choose from instead of the Web.
Hey, let me know when I have utility companies to choose from, will you? After all, you already seem to know everything about the city in which I live.
One marvels at how Obama and his fellow far-left lackeys prioritize the nation's pressing problems. "War on women." Minimum wage hikes. Abortion at any stage of birth, for any reason. Free "ObamaPhones." And now "broadband is a public utility."
worst. President. EVER.
Ignorance is a disease that clearly your lack of intelligence will be justified some day as in need of aid.
I dunno - SaskTel in Canada is a crown corporation (i.e. owned by the provincial government) and it has unlimited bandwidth, up to 260 mbps fibre speeds (which they are in process of laying in older neighbourhoods) and you get free routers (or cable box modems) etc. at similar or better prices than others - far better deal than Rogers (private national company)
Of course, this may be subsidized by tax dollars - just like Energy, Power, Telephone (Landline) and other "utilities"
Here in the US we've subsidized ATT, Verizon and the rest of the fabricated free market competitors to several hundred billion and rising, but what we get is piss poor results.
Reagan gave us a broken regional monopoly for the Telephone, a broken Cable solution where each monopoly agrees to not compete against each other, in the same markets, beyond bull shit advertising about how one is worse than the other.
Telephone isn't running fiber to allow TV Services. Cable runs shared copper with TV services.
Satellite runs TV services, each with $100+/month with premium channels and bundles with the Telcos locking you into their single solution, or you have one satellite option [DISH] that can offer up to 7Mbps Down at a premium price add-on.
There is no fucking well-regulated and level playing field where companies invest and improve speed to fight for your dollars. It's a charade that clearly Tallest Skull thinks is worse if it becomes a PUD.
Ironically, in asinine Far Right wacko Tennessee Gigabit Fiber to the Home for < $100 month gets you HDTV and Fiber Network speeds. And people aren't complaining one red cent.
Funny, but I always thought GWB was the worst president ever, and I know I am not alone, but I cannot recall ever seeing the same level of blind vitriol against him. I mean, is it even about politics? There was a lot of nasty venting from the left against Palin but all but the fanatics must have had serious concerns with her.
First Obama did not say regulate the price and profits they can make, like the utilities are regulated, he only said they providers should not be allowed to say how you use your pipe. Imagine if the phone company could tell you who are and are not allow to call and which countries you can call at any given time. Also, imagine if they could filter the words you could speak while using their phone lines. Way back before someone of you could remember the phone companies attempted to charge extra for Fax line and when Modem become popular they want to charge extra for them since they seem to use more bandwidth according to the phone companies. The government saw through that and put an end to it.
I cannot imagine what the internet would look like if it had been "treated like a public utility" from the beginning. We would probably have thousands of really impressive gopher sites to choose from instead of the Web.
Because the world wide web/http/html protocols was totally developed by a for profit company. Oh, wait, Tim Berners-Lee explicitly did not patent it because he wanted it to be available to everyone.
@coffeetime: so you come to a technology blog and expect to read about minimum wage or women's issues? Or maybe you think the President can only "work" on 1 topic per month? It sounds more likely that you just hate the President for [insert nonsense] and decide to spout it here. Please stay on topic or don't post.
I say if we’re going to get the government involved in this way, why not stop trying to control the companies and just remove all of the excuses they use not to compete? Drop import taxes on optical cable (or spur on domestic manufacture). Start swapping copper in earnest for optical connections. Then someone will start offering 50 megabit where everyone else caps at 10. It’ll force speeds up and prices down.
Zero choice or competition where I live, and now they say Comcast is coming! Ugh.
Corporations have enough power over us. I'm glad Obama is drawing the line. Of course, a lot of money on the right is spent to make sure nothing gets done...
One marvels at how Obama and his fellow far-left lackeys prioritize the nation's pressing problems. "War on women." Minimum wage hikes. Abortion at any stage of birth, for any reason. Free "ObamaPhones." And now "broadband is a public utility."
That won’t do anything. If it’s classed as a public utility there will be ZERO reason to improve speeds (not like it happens anyway), ZERO reason for the ISPs not to collude (more than they do now), and ZERO reason for unlimited and unthrottled plans to keep existing.
You're just completely wrong. You are basically saying underregulated monopolies don't hurt consumers. Then the 'evidence' you present on your rebuttal posts are walking-around anecdotal evidence that is statistically meaningless. And even with your casual, impressionistic evidence you choose only the ones that bolster your position and conveniently suffer amnesia, deafness, and blindness when it comes to the horrible experience people have with Cable TV. Stop pretending to be an expert in areas you have little knowledge of.
[general reflection]
Funny, but I always thought GWB was the worst president ever, and I know I am not alone, but I cannot recall ever seeing the same level of blind vitriol against him. I mean, is it even about politics? There was a lot of nasty venting from the left against Palin but all but the fanatics must have had serious concerns with her.
There's hatred on both sides. It's only feels more prevalent now because of social media.
No one said anything about race. Is that what the left does?
Of course not. The racism has moved to innuendos and shadow comments that will deny anything Obama does because of his policies… regardless of his policies.
No one said anything about race. Is that what the left does? Name calling and playing the race card where it isn't applicable?
That's all that they got.
It's pathetic and quite laughable, but not surprising at all coming from racist leftists.
Intelligent debate for libtards amounts to playing the race card every time that they are unable to intelligently respond to an argument that is above their intellect.
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I cannot imagine what the internet would look like if it had been "treated like a public utility" from the beginning. We would probably have thousands of really impressive gopher sites to choose from instead of the Web.
Moron.
Great arguments all around. Thanks for playing!
Hey, let me know when I have utility companies to choose from, will you? After all, you already seem to know everything about the city in which I live.
Ignorance is a disease that clearly your lack of intelligence will be justified some day as in need of aid.
Here in the US we've subsidized ATT, Verizon and the rest of the fabricated free market competitors to several hundred billion and rising, but what we get is piss poor results.
Reagan gave us a broken regional monopoly for the Telephone, a broken Cable solution where each monopoly agrees to not compete against each other, in the same markets, beyond bull shit advertising about how one is worse than the other.
Telephone isn't running fiber to allow TV Services. Cable runs shared copper with TV services.
Satellite runs TV services, each with $100+/month with premium channels and bundles with the Telcos locking you into their single solution, or you have one satellite option [DISH] that can offer up to 7Mbps Down at a premium price add-on.
There is no fucking well-regulated and level playing field where companies invest and improve speed to fight for your dollars. It's a charade that clearly Tallest Skull thinks is worse if it becomes a PUD.
Ironically, in asinine Far Right wacko Tennessee Gigabit Fiber to the Home for < $100 month gets you HDTV and Fiber Network speeds. And people aren't complaining one red cent.
worst. President. EVER.
[general reflection]
Funny, but I always thought GWB was the worst president ever, and I know I am not alone, but I cannot recall ever seeing the same level of blind vitriol against him. I mean, is it even about politics? There was a lot of nasty venting from the left against Palin but all but the fanatics must have had serious concerns with her.
First Obama did not say regulate the price and profits they can make, like the utilities are regulated, he only said they providers should not be allowed to say how you use your pipe. Imagine if the phone company could tell you who are and are not allow to call and which countries you can call at any given time. Also, imagine if they could filter the words you could speak while using their phone lines. Way back before someone of you could remember the phone companies attempted to charge extra for Fax line and when Modem become popular they want to charge extra for them since they seem to use more bandwidth according to the phone companies. The government saw through that and put an end to it.
I cannot imagine what the internet would look like if it had been "treated like a public utility" from the beginning. We would probably have thousands of really impressive gopher sites to choose from instead of the Web.
Because the world wide web/http/html protocols was totally developed by a for profit company. Oh, wait, Tim Berners-Lee explicitly did not patent it because he wanted it to be available to everyone.
http://www.fcc.gov/document/chairman-wheelers-stmt-president-obamas-stmt-open-internet
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It sounds more likely that you just hate the President for [insert nonsense] and decide to spout it here. Please stay on topic or don't post.
I say if we’re going to get the government involved in this way, why not stop trying to control the companies and just remove all of the excuses they use not to compete? Drop import taxes on optical cable (or spur on domestic manufacture). Start swapping copper in earnest for optical connections. Then someone will start offering 50 megabit where everyone else caps at 10. It’ll force speeds up and prices down.
@TS - yea. Those are great ideas.
Let's recap what you're supporting in your blind hatred of the current
black guy in officeadministration:Corporations have enough power over us. I'm glad Obama is drawing the line. Of course, a lot of money on the right is spent to make sure nothing gets done...
Worst. Troll. Ever.
I’d prefer the monopoly to having Comcast as a choice.
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Guess who else spends a lot of money to do the same.
That won’t do anything. If it’s classed as a public utility there will be ZERO reason to improve speeds (not like it happens anyway), ZERO reason for the ISPs not to collude (more than they do now), and ZERO reason for unlimited and unthrottled plans to keep existing.
You're just completely wrong. You are basically saying underregulated monopolies don't hurt consumers. Then the 'evidence' you present on your rebuttal posts are walking-around anecdotal evidence that is statistically meaningless. And even with your casual, impressionistic evidence you choose only the ones that bolster your position and conveniently suffer amnesia, deafness, and blindness when it comes to the horrible experience people have with Cable TV. Stop pretending to be an expert in areas you have little knowledge of.
There's hatred on both sides. It's only feels more prevalent now because of social media.
No one said anything about race. Is that what the left does? Name calling and playing the race card where it isn't applicable?
Of course not. The racism has moved to innuendos and shadow comments that will deny anything Obama does because of his policies… regardless of his policies.
No one said anything about race. Is that what the left does? Name calling and playing the race card where it isn't applicable?
That's all that they got.
It's pathetic and quite laughable, but not surprising at all coming from racist leftists.
Intelligent debate for libtards amounts to playing the race card every time that they are unable to intelligently respond to an argument that is above their intellect.
The only way for the government to not have a negative impact on the internet is to not touch it in any way at all ever.