The credit history and financial info stays with your bank... Though if you have credit card in Itunes, they do have that info... But, of course Apple pay is not a hobby.
Forgot the sarcasm indicator. The point being, if ?Pay was a "hobby", I could care less how it worked -- I wouldn't trust my financial data with it. Imagine, "oh sorry folks, we're sorry your data got hacked through a bug in ?Pay, but you should have known the '?' means it's just a hobby and should not be taken seriously". Of course ?Pay is secure. The "?" does not imply hobby. The ?Watch is NOT a hobby -- that represents a substantial investment on Apple's part, and will be a serious contender in the marketplace, whether successful or not. The ?TV started off as a "smart" networked hard drive, nothing special there, and hasn't evolved much beyond that. The only reason it's not called "iTV" is because there's already a major British Studio with that name Trademarked already.
Forgot the sarcasm indicator. The point being, if ?Pay was a "hobby", I could care less how it worked -- I wouldn't trust my financial data with it. Imagine, "oh sorry folks, we're sorry your data got hacked through a bug in ?Pay, but you should have known the '?' means it's just a hobby and should not be taken seriously". Of course ?Pay is secure. The "?" does not imply hobby. The ?Watch is NOT a hobby -- that represents a substantial investment on Apple's part, and will be a serious contender in the marketplace, whether successful or not. The ?TV started off as a "smart" networked hard drive, nothing special there, and hasn't evolved much beyond that. The only reason it's not called "iTV" is because there's already a major British Studio with that name Trademarked already.
Plus the "i" moniker was from the Jobs era and it was probably time for it to die anyway. Plus iWatch sounds kinda of creepy, t think ?Watch and ?Pay sound much classier than iWatch and iPay.
Well I'm looking forward to this hitting the market. This is long past due and I think professionals will gobble it up. I'm anxious to see the price points. I'm really hoping it comes in at a reasonable price and Apple drops the current pricing of its iPad lineup by $100 for each device. The knockoff tablets are making the iPad line look really overpriced. I'm a big apple fan, so when guys like me start looking at Android options for my kids, Apple isn't doing something right with their pricing.
Right... Have you actually used to trash tablets? Apple tablets can last 5 year even in a child"s hand. Many of the cheaper trash tablet won't last 6 months (if your lucky). BTW, Google seemingly is no longer subsidizing the Nexus line and premium is basically the same price as Apple. You get what you pay for, and if your ready to accept that... Well, go for the trash tablets.
If this report is true anyone who bought an iPad mini 3 was a sucker. And margins must not be so horrible if the mini gets updated with A8X within 6 months.
Well it is more than six months. Even so I would not expect the A8 or A8x to be that much more than what is currently in the Mini. Pricing is largely based on die size and with the process shrink the dies aren't that much different in size.
Make this with a Wacom digitizer & stylus, and I'll buy one.
That would be really nice, but I highly doubt it, if Apple hasn't gone this route yet there is no indication that they ever will, not sure why either. It's not missed though, there are still good products on the market with this capability if it's needed.
Right... Have you actually used to trash tablets? Apple tablets can last 5 year even in a child"s hand. Many of the cheaper trash tablet won't last 6 months (if your lucky). BTW, Google seemingly is no longer subsidizing the Nexus line and premium is basically the same price as Apple. You get what you pay for, and if your ready to accept that... Well, go for the trash tablets.
He said nothing about trash tablets, unbeknownst to people around here but their are actually good Android alternative on the market. Anyone would be very well served with a Sony Z2, Sony Z3 Compact, Nokia N1, Nvidia Shield, Asus Transformr TF710T, LG Gpad, Kindle HDX, Lenovo Yoga Tablet 2, Nexus 9, etc. Why does it always have to us against them, the iPad is a great product but there is also nothing wrong with using these other tablets and no, these alternatves aren't automaticaly considered garbage simply because they don't have an Apple logo on it. Most of the of top apps for iOS exist on Android and the new 5.0 release is an actual treat to use. If the device does what you want I don't see a problem, why was it important to comment on someones choice anyway and why did you think he was going to buy a garbage tablet.
...and no Soli, I'm not going after this person because he is using an Apple product, who cares what he's using, see, that is my shtick, if it makes you happy, why should people here get upset if it's not an Apple. Saying something isn't good is just an oppinion and has no factual basis, there are just oppinions out there that back up your own, it's all in they eye of the beholder. My son has flipped over backwards with his Nvidia Shield and why shouldn't he, it's a fantastic product at $300.
(1) Hell no. If they do, then Apple will definitely lose at least one sale, me!
Why would you say this if the operation of the iPAd isn't materially different than it is today. Side by side apps may not be for everyone, I know I seldom have a need, but that shouldn't be a usability negative for most. Of course we would have to see what sort of interface Apple comes up with to deliver side by side apps
As for Mac OS, iOS is for the most part Mac OS. As such I wouldn't mind seeing a few concepts brought over that would allow more control of the system. This doesn't mean giving up on the usability of iOS but rather extending it feature wise.
(2) I don't really give a crap about any pens.
(3) Don't really care. Current iPad Air 2 display looks pretty damn good.
(4) Laptop chips (with fans?) ? Not in my iPad thank you.
Well Apple will never go to Intel in these devices. I've gone over this before but in a nut shell it isn't about the CPU instruction set but rather being able to engineer the silicon. This is the way of all future hardware, that is the SoC largely replacing all PCB engineering.
In any event what I think people are really trying to say there is that Intel will be able to offer tablet chips that perform better and run just as cool. This remains to be seen actually, Intel just has too much legacy crap in its chips in my mind. Further with several 14 nm fans coming on line in the near future Intel is loosing its process advantages. It will be rather interesting to see how Broadwell performs in a tablet if it ever gets designed in. In the end I suspect that Apple will be competing with NVIdia and Qualcomm more than anyone else in the future, maybe even AMD. All of these manufactures seem to be more amendable to working with buyers on custom chips.
(5) Do I look like a cheap bum?
Hard to tell on the net! Besides I fully expect that somebody will eventually build a quality tablet that competes well with what Apple can deliver. There are two real problems right now with quality alternative tablets. One is hardware where it is very very hard to compete against Apples custom chips. The other is software, Android has potential but unfortunately nobody has really spent the time to develop it fully and deliver it safely configured. I actually see some good in the Jolla concept where Android effectively is a legacy support for apps. The problem with Jolla is the lack of a large corporation to bring the device to market properly supported.
One can end up looking like a fool if they don't see the potential here for somebody to come up with a competitive tablet. Apple is aware of this and that is why they have specifically said that they will be aggressive in keeping the IOS product line at the front of the market. They are making sure they don't repeat the mistakes made with their PC hardware lines. The extremely rapid development of the A series processors is one example of their determination to stay on the bleeding edge. In any event I can see Apple continuing to plow money into the product line to fully realize what they expect and to simply stay ahead of the competition. Apple isn't about to dismiss the competition and get screwed over in the marketplace like they did with the Mac.
I'm sure that they've looked into it, but as I've stated a hundred times before, I think that certain people who are looking for Apple to make a Surface type device are deeply confused individuals.
The deeply confused are the ones that assume that Apple would copy the Surfaces approach to a tablet interface. If there is one thing that people don't seem to understand here is that iOS is Mac OS with a different user interface and restrictions on the user multitasking capabilities. Apple can do much with iOS that frees up the OS and yet not loose the interface of iOS.
The fact of the matter is that there are a lot of shortcomings in iOS. One big example being the lack of a file browsing component for consitenancy from one app to the next. This is something Apple needs to supply instead of letting developers hack together unique solutions for every app. With iCloud Drive the need for a universal way to browse for files is greater than ever. The point is there is a lot of evolution that could take place with iOS that can borrow from Mac OS and other operating systems to make iOS better
In the end I wouldn't expect Mac OS as we know it today but I'm expecting that we will get more freedom and control in the future. Frankly one excellent feature would be a cron like facility that would allow users to run apps in background at fixed intervals. I like to call this run and die, the idea being an app starts up does its thing, most likely across the net and then dies! This would actually save power over having an app always running in background polling the net like some apps do today. The idea here is user control.
I dislike the names as well, hoping that we will see it just IPad 7.9/9.7/12.2 like Mac computers are.
It isn't the code name that counts it is rather the name the device ships with that counts. As such I'm not sure why people even discuss it before the device ships.
It's been done, and it seems the A8X will be similar to it, just make it quad core and that's it.
Actually I see it as a bigger engineering problem then just adding cores. The screen size will impact GPU performance and that implies a beefed up GPU. This also implies a higher performance memory interface to keep the GPUs feed with data and possibly much more in the way of onboard (SoC) buffering. CPU performance issues could be addressed simply by boosting clock rates.
In any event I would expect A9 to be a 14 nm chip which would imply that there will be lots of die space for enhanced functionality. With current technology the die can't get much smaller due to the need for space around the perimeter for wire bonding. So by default they will have gobs of space to use up.
True
Name a time an iPhone was not released with the latest IOS proccesor, why would this be different?
If A9 is 14 nm it will be on a process that is ramping up. Apple can not afford to gamble with iPhone production capacity, so we might not see a 14nm chip in iPhone until late in 2015. In other words they could go with A9 early in 2015 and hope that production will ramp for an iPhine launch in the fall.
Sure but it's weird with IPad mini 3/4 air 1/2 and air+ on product line.
1.good concept
2.always been stupid
3.so
4.never will happen
5.never gets old
Surely the mini upgrade was planned, just as the 3rd-4th generation iPad was, 3rd one had outdated hardware and then the new iPad mini released with it upgraded to current hardware.
You realize it's a joke?
ipad mini always had stero sound, and IPad Air and later had it as well.
Apparently there is a plan for an upgrade cycle to devices next year as apple watch is released. As Apple TV is 1 year behind, and doubtfully an iPod upgrade to A8 and 5.5 inch screen can come with the new iPad mini/IPad 12 inch.
I'm not sure it has anything to do with Apples watch, I think Apple and its suppliers simply have had capacity issues. New products will roll out as they catch up with demand (if they ever do). Considering that I'm really expecting that this quarter will see blow out sales of iPhones. They still seem to be selling every single device that they make. We might start to see new stuff rolling out of Apple as soon as January or Feburary.
I am indeed questioning the sanity of people who argue about differences between stereo and mono on a device which is what 7" wide! C'mon folks, stereo is only noticeable if the speakers are more than 6 feet apart. Does anyone know what real hi-fi is too? I doubt it.
In this crowd I higly doubt that anybody really knows what stereo sound is actually like.
I'm not to sure about that, Apple seems to be hell bent on staying far ahead of the competition, this includes anything that NVidia, Intel or AMD may have up their sleeves for 2015. I can see them going A9 on an iPad Pro in 2015 simply because the volumes would be right for manufacturing lines that are ramping up.
iPad Pro would be 2560x1920.
That sounds about right.
20nm production. 1.6GHz, 2GB RAM and 16/64/128GB storage.
Hey, this is still Apple we are talking about
Yes but it isn't the Apple of old anymore. If the tablet is indeed marketed as an iPad Pro I would suspect that they would superset it by a wide margin from the performance of iPad Air. There is so much noise around 14 nm risk production very early in 2015 that I. Have to think that Apple is involved in some manner. That could be for Apples watch of course. However any 14 nm hardware shipping in 2015 would have a huge impact on Intel and its ability to compete in the tablet space. I really see Apple wanting to stay ahead of the performance curve vs anything Intel and its partners can deliver in 2015. That means better CPU performance which Apple can partly achieve by higher clock rates. 2.5 GHz might be a little much to maintain the same thermals but 2GHz ought to be easy. Combined with architecture improvements I suspect that Apple would be able to give Intel a run for its money on a performance per watt basis. Performance per watt is a big deal here and Intel is making big strides so I suspect Apple is highly motivated to get to 14 nm early in 2015.
Well it is more than six months. Even so I would not expect the A8 or A8x to be that much more than what is currently in the Mini. Pricing is largely based on die size and with the process shrink the dies aren't that much different in size.
The point is some here argued the mini 3 didn't get the same specs as the Air 2 because of margins. IF we get a new mini next spring it makes me question even more the reason for producing the mini 3. Just drop the price on the mini 2 and don't do a mini 3 until it can get the latest specs.
It isn't the code name that counts it is rather the name the device ships with that counts. As such I'm not sure why people even discuss it before the device ships.
Actually I see it as a bigger engineering problem then just adding cores. The screen size will impact GPU performance and that implies a beefed up GPU. This also implies a higher performance memory interface to keep the GPUs feed with data and possibly much more in the way of onboard (SoC) buffering. CPU performance issues could be addressed simply by boosting clock rates.
In any event I would expect A9 to be a 14 nm chip which would imply that there will be lots of die space for enhanced functionality. With current technology the die can't get much smaller due to the need for space around the perimeter for wire bonding. So by default they will have gobs of space to use up.
If A9 is 14 nm it will be on a process that is ramping up. Apple can not afford to gamble with iPhone production capacity, so we might not see a 14nm chip in iPhone until late in 2015. In other words they could go with A9 early in 2015 and hope that production will ramp for an iPhine launch in the fall.
I'm not sure it has anything to do with Apples watch, I think Apple and its suppliers simply have had capacity issues. New products will roll out as they catch up with demand (if they ever do). Considering that I'm really expecting that this quarter will see blow out sales of iPhones. They still seem to be selling every single device that they make. We might start to see new stuff rolling out of Apple as soon as January or Feburary.
I agree it's the code name that doesn't count, but this year the bigger iphone code name was math, which implied +. And air 2 was really air 2, so they seem accurate.
True about the gpu, but we have seen the A8 do 4k video(well it doesn't translate exactly to real world use) and then the A8X can do 2 times that surely about a 2 times increase in screen res wouldn't kill it?(I'm assuming it's about resolution of MacBook Pro which it is only a 1.4 times increase).
I don't expect the IPhone to be released until late year anyway. I believe it's a coincidence too there simular times, but that will allow them to squeeze in one event.
iPhone and iPad aren't going anywhere but new products most likely will no longer use the "i" moniker.
To be fair, I certainly prefer “Apple Home” to “iHome”, you know?
I still wish the iPad had gotten the Apple name from its launch. It’s a tablet, so the idea of having an Apple Slice really appealed to me in the weeks leading up to the 2010 announcement.
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Idiots will buy crap. The iPad’s price isn’t hurting it.
Knock it off.
“...I start to realize that maybe I don’t actually love my children.”
This really has nothing to do with Apple. Their pricing is fine.
Why don't you take a look at iPad sales numbers and declining marketshare before insulting my post.
The credit history and financial info stays with your bank... Though if you have credit card in Itunes, they do have that info... But, of course Apple pay is not a hobby.
Forgot the sarcasm indicator. The point being, if ?Pay was a "hobby", I could care less how it worked -- I wouldn't trust my financial data with it. Imagine, "oh sorry folks, we're sorry your data got hacked through a bug in ?Pay, but you should have known the '?' means it's just a hobby and should not be taken seriously". Of course ?Pay is secure. The "?" does not imply hobby. The ?Watch is NOT a hobby -- that represents a substantial investment on Apple's part, and will be a serious contender in the marketplace, whether successful or not. The ?TV started off as a "smart" networked hard drive, nothing special there, and hasn't evolved much beyond that. The only reason it's not called "iTV" is because there's already a major British Studio with that name Trademarked already.
Plus the "i" moniker was from the Jobs era and it was probably time for it to die anyway. Plus iWatch sounds kinda of creepy, t think ?Watch and ?Pay sound much classier than iWatch and iPay.
Well I'm looking forward to this hitting the market. This is long past due and I think professionals will gobble it up. I'm anxious to see the price points. I'm really hoping it comes in at a reasonable price and Apple drops the current pricing of its iPad lineup by $100 for each device. The knockoff tablets are making the iPad line look really overpriced. I'm a big apple fan, so when guys like me start looking at Android options for my kids, Apple isn't doing something right with their pricing.
Right... Have you actually used to trash tablets? Apple tablets can last 5 year even in a child"s hand. Many of the cheaper trash tablet won't last 6 months (if your lucky). BTW, Google seemingly is no longer subsidizing the Nexus line and premium is basically the same price as Apple. You get what you pay for, and if your ready to accept that... Well, go for the trash tablets.
Well it is more than six months. Even so I would not expect the A8 or A8x to be that much more than what is currently in the Mini. Pricing is largely based on die size and with the process shrink the dies aren't that much different in size.
That would be really nice, but I highly doubt it, if Apple hasn't gone this route yet there is no indication that they ever will, not sure why either. It's not missed though, there are still good products on the market with this capability if it's needed.
1. No declining marketshare.
2. Sales numbers are fine.
Educate yourself. By doing so, you’ll see why buying that $29 tablet for your kid will lead to him being spied on.
He said nothing about trash tablets, unbeknownst to people around here but their are actually good Android alternative on the market. Anyone would be very well served with a Sony Z2, Sony Z3 Compact, Nokia N1, Nvidia Shield, Asus Transformr TF710T, LG Gpad, Kindle HDX, Lenovo Yoga Tablet 2, Nexus 9, etc. Why does it always have to us against them, the iPad is a great product but there is also nothing wrong with using these other tablets and no, these alternatves aren't automaticaly considered garbage simply because they don't have an Apple logo on it. Most of the of top apps for iOS exist on Android and the new 5.0 release is an actual treat to use. If the device does what you want I don't see a problem, why was it important to comment on someones choice anyway and why did you think he was going to buy a garbage tablet.
...and no Soli, I'm not going after this person because he is using an Apple product, who cares what he's using, see, that is my shtick, if it makes you happy, why should people here get upset if it's not an Apple. Saying something isn't good is just an oppinion and has no factual basis, there are just oppinions out there that back up your own, it's all in they eye of the beholder. My son has flipped over backwards with his Nvidia Shield and why shouldn't he, it's a fantastic product at $300.
As for Mac OS, iOS is for the most part Mac OS. As such I wouldn't mind seeing a few concepts brought over that would allow more control of the system. This doesn't mean giving up on the usability of iOS but rather extending it feature wise. Well Apple will never go to Intel in these devices. I've gone over this before but in a nut shell it isn't about the CPU instruction set but rather being able to engineer the silicon. This is the way of all future hardware, that is the SoC largely replacing all PCB engineering.
In any event what I think people are really trying to say there is that Intel will be able to offer tablet chips that perform better and run just as cool. This remains to be seen actually, Intel just has too much legacy crap in its chips in my mind. Further with several 14 nm fans coming on line in the near future Intel is loosing its process advantages. It will be rather interesting to see how Broadwell performs in a tablet if it ever gets designed in. In the end I suspect that Apple will be competing with NVIdia and Qualcomm more than anyone else in the future, maybe even AMD. All of these manufactures seem to be more amendable to working with buyers on custom chips.
Hard to tell on the net! Besides I fully expect that somebody will eventually build a quality tablet that competes well with what Apple can deliver. There are two real problems right now with quality alternative tablets. One is hardware where it is very very hard to compete against Apples custom chips. The other is software, Android has potential but unfortunately nobody has really spent the time to develop it fully and deliver it safely configured. I actually see some good in the Jolla concept where Android effectively is a legacy support for apps. The problem with Jolla is the lack of a large corporation to bring the device to market properly supported.
One can end up looking like a fool if they don't see the potential here for somebody to come up with a competitive tablet. Apple is aware of this and that is why they have specifically said that they will be aggressive in keeping the IOS product line at the front of the market. They are making sure they don't repeat the mistakes made with their PC hardware lines. The extremely rapid development of the A series processors is one example of their determination to stay on the bleeding edge. In any event I can see Apple continuing to plow money into the product line to fully realize what they expect and to simply stay ahead of the competition. Apple isn't about to dismiss the competition and get screwed over in the marketplace like they did with the Mac.
The deeply confused are the ones that assume that Apple would copy the Surfaces approach to a tablet interface. If there is one thing that people don't seem to understand here is that iOS is Mac OS with a different user interface and restrictions on the user multitasking capabilities. Apple can do much with iOS that frees up the OS and yet not loose the interface of iOS.
The fact of the matter is that there are a lot of shortcomings in iOS. One big example being the lack of a file browsing component for consitenancy from one app to the next. This is something Apple needs to supply instead of letting developers hack together unique solutions for every app. With iCloud Drive the need for a universal way to browse for files is greater than ever. The point is there is a lot of evolution that could take place with iOS that can borrow from Mac OS and other operating systems to make iOS better
In the end I wouldn't expect Mac OS as we know it today but I'm expecting that we will get more freedom and control in the future. Frankly one excellent feature would be a cron like facility that would allow users to run apps in background at fixed intervals. I like to call this run and die, the idea being an app starts up does its thing, most likely across the net and then dies! This would actually save power over having an app always running in background polling the net like some apps do today. The idea here is user control.
In any event I would expect A9 to be a 14 nm chip which would imply that there will be lots of die space for enhanced functionality. With current technology the die can't get much smaller due to the need for space around the perimeter for wire bonding. So by default they will have gobs of space to use up. If A9 is 14 nm it will be on a process that is ramping up. Apple can not afford to gamble with iPhone production capacity, so we might not see a 14nm chip in iPhone until late in 2015. In other words they could go with A9 early in 2015 and hope that production will ramp for an iPhine launch in the fall.
I'm not sure it has anything to do with Apples watch, I think Apple and its suppliers simply have had capacity issues. New products will roll out as they catch up with demand (if they ever do). Considering that I'm really expecting that this quarter will see blow out sales of iPhones. They still seem to be selling every single device that they make. We might start to see new stuff rolling out of Apple as soon as January or Feburary.
In this crowd I higly doubt that anybody really knows what stereo sound is actually like.
Can ? should.
It’s even harder to imagine Apple Pad, Apple Phone, Apple Jonathan, Apple Jonathan Mini, and Apple Jonathan Pro as product names.
Yes but it isn't the Apple of old anymore. If the tablet is indeed marketed as an iPad Pro I would suspect that they would superset it by a wide margin from the performance of iPad Air. There is so much noise around 14 nm risk production very early in 2015 that I. Have to think that Apple is involved in some manner. That could be for Apples watch of course. However any 14 nm hardware shipping in 2015 would have a huge impact on Intel and its ability to compete in the tablet space. I really see Apple wanting to stay ahead of the performance curve vs anything Intel and its partners can deliver in 2015. That means better CPU performance which Apple can partly achieve by higher clock rates. 2.5 GHz might be a little much to maintain the same thermals but 2GHz ought to be easy. Combined with architecture improvements I suspect that Apple would be able to give Intel a run for its money on a performance per watt basis. Performance per watt is a big deal here and Intel is making big strides so I suspect Apple is highly motivated to get to 14 nm early in 2015.
The point is some here argued the mini 3 didn't get the same specs as the Air 2 because of margins. IF we get a new mini next spring it makes me question even more the reason for producing the mini 3. Just drop the price on the mini 2 and don't do a mini 3 until it can get the latest specs.
iPhone and iPad aren't going anywhere but new products most likely will no longer use the "i" moniker.
True about the gpu, but we have seen the A8 do 4k video(well it doesn't translate exactly to real world use) and then the A8X can do 2 times that surely about a 2 times increase in screen res wouldn't kill it?(I'm assuming it's about resolution of MacBook Pro which it is only a 1.4 times increase).
I don't expect the IPhone to be released until late year anyway. I believe it's a coincidence too there simular times, but that will allow them to squeeze in one event.
To be fair, I certainly prefer “Apple Home” to “iHome”, you know?
I still wish the iPad had gotten the Apple name from its launch. It’s a tablet, so the idea of having an Apple Slice really appealed to me in the weeks leading up to the 2010 announcement.