In other words, it's not ideal, but it's enough to get you through a day.
And when did we need help getting through the day?
You do realise this is vaporware and an essentially useless product that only the simple minded and easily manipulated will even contemplate spending silly amounts of money buying?
All these cagey estimates of battery life just show how bad it's going to be.
Having to quote figures of 2.5-4 hours depending on activity is Apple covering their backs early on. Even if you manage 19 hours, what will it be like in a year or two? Probably a few hours less.
The low battery life doesn't surprise me. My Garmin GPS Golf watch lasts about 6 hrs, more than enough for one round of golf.
The short battery life represents a shortness of vision. Why isn't Apple announcing wrist straps with embedded ribbon batteries? If they don't, a third party certainly will within a year.
Because of durability issues. Google about what's currently available in battery tech and you'll see. Straps wear out pretty quick and there is a lot of stress inside them that woud quickly destroy the battery.
Yes because the Apple executives and engineers who have been working on this project for 3+ years haven't thought about any of these things. If only they were as smart as everyone posting on internet message boards. :rolleyes:
How do we know Apple has the technology nailed for this? Do Android Wear watches house batteries in the band? Does the Pebble?
solar panels on outside of wrist band wired to a lithium battery to charge it.:no:
I just don't see people "using" an Apple watch in the same way they do an iPhone. That is, it would be strange to be spending an inordinate amount of time looking at and interacting with a watch-sized device, when you can just as easily use your iPhone where you'll see things much bigger and can properly interact. You have to have your iPhone with you anyway, so continually looking at a tiny screen to see portions of messages or notifications just doesn't make sense to me.
So battery life really shouldn't be an issue, if you're just using the watch occasionally for notification viewing and maybe some minor interaction. Just the idea of playing games on your watch seems silly, at best.
Overall, I just don't buy that the smart watch is going to be the next big thing. Of course I'm a guy wearing an automatic timepiece that is as much a piece of me as my wedding ring is, so a smart watch would need to be REALLY compelling for me to give up what I have, even if I am (and have been for 20 years) a big Apple fan.
You're all making arguments that relegate this 'revolutionary" device in the category of a watch, or satellite for people concerned about the improprieties of leaving their smartphone on the table. So a watch you have to charge every night is simply unacceptable. And will people really be willing to charge their watches overnight, every night just have discreet remote notifications of things their phones already discreetly tell them? I work for a major corporation, and every executive sitting around the conference table at weekly meetings has their phone laying face up on the table. It's expected. And have people really not been wearing watches so long that they've forgotten glancing at your watch constantly during a meeting is just as impolite as looking at your phone? If not more-so because of the implication that you're bored?
The ? watch has got haptic feedback. It is going to be very discrete: your watch will tell you when it is time to go to your next meeting with a subtle tap on your wrist. No one will notice but you. You no longer have to worry about being late. Your watch will tap you earlier when there is a traffic jam on your way to the next meeting because of a recent car crash on the motorway.
That is Intelligent Time: a seamless integration between iCal, Apple Maps and Notifications. iCal could be to the ? watch what iTunes was to the iPod.
I do not care about playing games on the ? watch or getting useless twitter/facebook notifications. I just want to be fully engaged in the meeting without having to worry about time or freak events.
And when did we need help getting through the day?
You do realise this is vaporware and an essentially useless product that only the simple minded and easily manipulated will even contemplate spending silly amounts of money buying?
In fact, it's a vaporware that is gonna end up costing a LOT to Apple - tks to Cook's limited, analyst-driven vision.
Yet, what is most interesting is the fact that, after a couple of years, the USD 14,000 "Gold" model is gonna be just a nice useless souvenir to wrap your wrist; shall we melt it for gold afterwards?
In fact, it's a vaporware that is gonna end up costing a LOT to Apple - tks to Cook's limited, analyst-driven vision.
Yet, what is most interesting is the fact that, after a couple of years, the USD 14,000 "Gold" model is gonna be just a nice useless souvenir to wrap your wrist; shall we melt it for gold afterwards?
You may be not interested in this new product, but is there no way for you to see the enjoyment others already have from the announcement and consequent eagerness to await its arrival? There can be many valid points from people who do not think this product will succeed commercially, but why do some want to share their negative assumptions that adds nothing to the discussion. I understand it's a free country and an open forum and all that, but still, re-read your words please.
Those who have something to contribute to a discussion - step forward.
Those who have nothing but negativity to spread around - step aside.
disclaimer: not you personally brlawyer, but basically everyone who post similar worded views.
Here's a question I have. If this rumor is correct, the processor (I think Apple calls it a SiP) is more powerful than what was in the original iPad. I wonder why? Is it just to power the retina display? Or are their other reasons? It makes me wonder if there is another shoe to drop with this product and Apple has saved some things for launch.
If you really consider it "a chore" or much of an effort, to put a watch on a charging stand instead of putting it on a nightstand, I sure hope you don't have any pets.
Cause you just know someone that monumentally lazy, can't be bothered to change the litter or take the dog for a walk more than once a week!
I don't think you properly grasp what a chore is. A chore isn't something that you're too lazy to do, it's something you do routinely that's useful but generally isn't pleasant in itself. Putting a watch on a charging stand is definitely routine, will definitely be useful (without it my watch is dead), and could hardly be said to be a pleasure in itself. Of course it's a chore.
And the Apple watch doesn't compete with the iPhone or is targeted at gadget fans. It's aimed at a completely different market.
It doesn't really compete for sales, but it does compete for attention. Currently when I want to know the time I check my iPhone. If I were to only use the watch as a timepiece (which the person I was responding to implied they would be doing) then there's very little value in the watch, just a very slight convenience over my iPhone which is somewhat tarnished by the chore of needing to charge it every night.
And when did we need help getting through the day?
You do realise this is vaporware and an essentially useless product that only the simple minded and easily manipulated will even contemplate spending silly amounts of money buying?
What complete nonsense. Go back under your bridge.
You're all making arguments that relegate this 'revolutionary" device in the category of a watch, or satellite for people concerned about the improprieties of leaving their smartphone on the table. So a watch you have to charge every night is simply unacceptable. And will people really be willing to charge their watches overnight, every night just have discreet remote notifications of things their phones already discreetly tell them? I work for a major corporation, and every executive sitting around the conference table at weekly meetings has their phone laying face up on the table. It's expected. And have people really not been wearing watches so long that they've forgotten glancing at your watch constantly during a meeting is just as impolite as looking at your phone? If not more-so because of the implication that you're bored?
So this limits the ?Watch use to timepieces, and politeness-intentioned smartphone users. Everything else then is a niche use due to the limited battery life, right? That seems to be the argument. So are people going to pay 2-3x the going rate for limited use gadget, the features of which will most likely be the crux of Apple's marketing campaign (not that it tells time and alerts you of who just sent you a text on the phone in your pocket)? Are people going to replace their TAG, Rolex & Citizens with it? Actually it's not so much will anybody, but will tens of millions of people do this, needed to sustain the ?Watch? Seems unlikely to me -- based on this recurring argument that barmy life won't matter since people will only be using it as a timepiece and a "pager".
People would have balked at the notion of charging their phones every day, but guess what -- now they charge their phones every day.
Why? Because a smartphone is much, much more than a phone. As this device is much more than a watch. For those features I'll get enough value to make charging worth it.
In fact, it's a vaporware that is gonna end up costing a LOT to Apple - tks to Cook's limited, analyst-driven vision.
Yet, what is most interesting is the fact that, after a couple of years, the USD 14,000 "Gold" model is gonna be just a nice useless souvenir to wrap your wrist; shall we melt it for gold afterwards?
Man what nonsense.
1) under cook APPL has reached its all time highs. Apple remains the biggest, most profitable, most successful, most beloved tech firm in the history of the human race. Oops.
2) why on earth wouldn't you trade in or sell an old watch made of solid gold? What, you expect people to just put it in a drawer? Get real, man.
I predict the rise of Wearable-Batteries-with-Apple-Watch-MagSafe dongles in 3,2,1...
You might not be far off. I could see some 3rd parties coming up with a wrist battery that sits under the watch strap and would be a chain of battery packs with a USB plug. Like 6-7 of the following connected together:
That would be enough to extend the lifespan about 3x. It would get in the way of the sensors but that wouldn't matter to everyone.
I expect that Apple's watch would be able to exceed the Android watches in power efficiency but they are aiming for a less bulky design and they've gone with a higher resolution display. When Apple added a Retina display to the iPad, they boosted the battery from 25Wh to 43Wh. Some Android watches have fairly high resolutions but they added bulky batteries and still don't get great battery life.
Apple tends to be more honest with their battery measurements and that works against them in cases like this but less than a day's charge is going to annoy people. It happened with the 360 where some ended up returning the watch:
They seemed to be happy with 30 hours but anything less than a working day and people deemed it to be unacceptable. There's also the ratio of charging time to usage time to consider. If it only took 30 minutes to get 19 hours use, that's great but if it takes 2 hours to charge to get 8 hours use then it's not that great.
You may be not interested in this new product, but is there no way for you to see the enjoyment others already have from the announcement and consequent eagerness to await its arrival? There can be many valid points from people who do not think this product will succeed commercially, but why do some want to share their negative assumptions that adds nothing to the discussion. I understand it's a free country and an open forum and all that, but still, re-read your words please.
Those who have something to contribute to a discussion - step forward.
Those who have nothing but negativity to spread around - step aside.
disclaimer: not you personally brlawyer, but basically everyone who post similar worded views.
Sorry Phil, but did you really want to have written that? Everyone knows me as a rabid Apple fan; a person who has only bought and used Apple products since at least 1989 (including the Apple // family). I love my Macs, iPhone and iPods. I enjoy the iTunes ecosystem and software as few people do here. I recognize Apple's design and customer care when compared to so much crap out there.
But that does NOT mean I have to be happy with every announcement. I am first and foremost a customer, not someone worried about ROI like many of you here (especially now that Cook has transformed the company's paradigm with the stupid decision to give out dividends).
So no, I do not agree with things such as an AWatch, the Beats purchase and so on, coincidentally under Cook's helm and REGARDLESS of how much money the company makes with silly hip-hop teenagers.
And now you tell us to shut up just because we don't agree with certain things? We are not yet in North Korea; so gimme a break, please.
Sorry Phil, but did you really want to have written that? Everyone knows me as a rabid Apple fan; a person who has only bought and used Apple products since at least 1989 (including the Apple // family). I love my Macs, iPhone and iPods. I enjoy the iTunes ecosystem and software as few people do here. I recognize Apple's design and customer care when compared to so much crap out there.
But that does NOT mean I have to be happy with every announcement. I am first and foremost a customer, not someone worried about ROI like many of you here (especially now that Cook has transformed the company's paradigm with the stupid decision to give out dividends).
So no, I do not agree with things such as an AWatch, the Beats purchase and so on, coincidentally under Cook's helm and REGARDLESS of how much money the company makes with silly hip-hop teenagers.
And now you tell us to shut up just because we don't agree with certain things? We are not yet in North Korea; so gimme a break, please.
You're right that I shouldn't have written some of it, like that silly "those who have something..." - that was stupid of me.
Yes, I know you're an Apple fan, and like many posters here enjoy reading your views. And no, of course you shouldn't be happy with every announcement. As for the Watch, I'd hardly call it vaporware, even though technically it is (it's not released but announced). To me, vaporware relates mostly to all thing MS has announced but never delivered. Plus I don't think Tim's view vision is 'limited, analyst-driven' but yes, you can share your views on him, obviously.
Certainly hope I didn't offend you - that wasn't my intention.
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Maybe get some knockoff Rolexes too there? I'm sure people would never tell the difference! You two sure are clever!
Have no intention of getting a Rolex, nor an Apple Watch, knock off or not, so yes that does rather make me cleverer than "some".
In other words, it's not ideal, but it's enough to get you through a day.
And when did we need help getting through the day?
You do realise this is vaporware and an essentially useless product that only the simple minded and easily manipulated will even contemplate spending silly amounts of money buying?
All these cagey estimates of battery life just show how bad it's going to be.
Having to quote figures of 2.5-4 hours depending on activity is Apple covering their backs early on. Even if you manage 19 hours, what will it be like in a year or two? Probably a few hours less.
The low battery life doesn't surprise me.My Garmin GPS Golf watch lasts about 6 hrs, more than enough for one round of golf.
And when did we need help getting through the day?
Learn what context is.
The short battery life represents a shortness of vision. Why isn't Apple announcing wrist straps with embedded ribbon batteries? If they don't, a third party certainly will within a year.
Because of durability issues. Google about what's currently available in battery tech and you'll see. Straps wear out pretty quick and there is a lot of stress inside them that woud quickly destroy the battery.
The real divide is compelling or compulsion?
I can not see one thing about the smart watch that actually justifies buying it.
Irregardless of price.
But there are people who have started salivating on cue, with an irresistible compulsion to buy it and work out what the heck it is good for after.
You're all making arguments that relegate this 'revolutionary" device in the category of a watch, or satellite for people concerned about the improprieties of leaving their smartphone on the table. So a watch you have to charge every night is simply unacceptable. And will people really be willing to charge their watches overnight, every night just have discreet remote notifications of things their phones already discreetly tell them? I work for a major corporation, and every executive sitting around the conference table at weekly meetings has their phone laying face up on the table. It's expected. And have people really not been wearing watches so long that they've forgotten glancing at your watch constantly during a meeting is just as impolite as looking at your phone? If not more-so because of the implication that you're bored?
The ? watch has got haptic feedback. It is going to be very discrete: your watch will tell you when it is time to go to your next meeting with a subtle tap on your wrist. No one will notice but you. You no longer have to worry about being late. Your watch will tap you earlier when there is a traffic jam on your way to the next meeting because of a recent car crash on the motorway.
That is Intelligent Time: a seamless integration between iCal, Apple Maps and Notifications. iCal could be to the ? watch what iTunes was to the iPod.
I do not care about playing games on the ? watch or getting useless twitter/facebook notifications. I just want to be fully engaged in the meeting without having to worry about time or freak events.
And when did we need help getting through the day?
You do realise this is vaporware and an essentially useless product that only the simple minded and easily manipulated will even contemplate spending silly amounts of money buying?
In fact, it's a vaporware that is gonna end up costing a LOT to Apple - tks to Cook's limited, analyst-driven vision.
Yet, what is most interesting is the fact that, after a couple of years, the USD 14,000 "Gold" model is gonna be just a nice useless souvenir to wrap your wrist; shall we melt it for gold afterwards?
You may be not interested in this new product, but is there no way for you to see the enjoyment others already have from the announcement and consequent eagerness to await its arrival? There can be many valid points from people who do not think this product will succeed commercially, but why do some want to share their negative assumptions that adds nothing to the discussion. I understand it's a free country and an open forum and all that, but still, re-read your words please.
Those who have something to contribute to a discussion - step forward.
Those who have nothing but negativity to spread around - step aside.
disclaimer: not you personally brlawyer, but basically everyone who post similar worded views.
What complete nonsense. Go back under your bridge.
You mean "regardless". That's the word.
The device has features which deliver value to people other than yourself. Get over it and get over yourself.
People would have balked at the notion of charging their phones every day, but guess what -- now they charge their phones every day.
Why? Because a smartphone is much, much more than a phone. As this device is much more than a watch. For those features I'll get enough value to make charging worth it.
But you knew all this.
Man what nonsense.
1) under cook APPL has reached its all time highs. Apple remains the biggest, most profitable, most successful, most beloved tech firm in the history of the human race. Oops.
2) why on earth wouldn't you trade in or sell an old watch made of solid gold? What, you expect people to just put it in a drawer? Get real, man.
You might not be far off. I could see some 3rd parties coming up with a wrist battery that sits under the watch strap and would be a chain of battery packs with a USB plug. Like 6-7 of the following connected together:
That would be enough to extend the lifespan about 3x. It would get in the way of the sensors but that wouldn't matter to everyone.
I expect that Apple's watch would be able to exceed the Android watches in power efficiency but they are aiming for a less bulky design and they've gone with a higher resolution display. When Apple added a Retina display to the iPad, they boosted the battery from 25Wh to 43Wh. Some Android watches have fairly high resolutions but they added bulky batteries and still don't get great battery life.
Apple tends to be more honest with their battery measurements and that works against them in cases like this but less than a day's charge is going to annoy people. It happened with the 360 where some ended up returning the watch:
http://www.reddit.com/r/moto360/comments/2td6l6/unaceptable_battery_life_tried_everything/
They seemed to be happy with 30 hours but anything less than a working day and people deemed it to be unacceptable. There's also the ratio of charging time to usage time to consider. If it only took 30 minutes to get 19 hours use, that's great but if it takes 2 hours to charge to get 8 hours use then it's not that great.
Sorry Phil, but did you really want to have written that? Everyone knows me as a rabid Apple fan; a person who has only bought and used Apple products since at least 1989 (including the Apple // family). I love my Macs, iPhone and iPods. I enjoy the iTunes ecosystem and software as few people do here. I recognize Apple's design and customer care when compared to so much crap out there.
But that does NOT mean I have to be happy with every announcement. I am first and foremost a customer, not someone worried about ROI like many of you here (especially now that Cook has transformed the company's paradigm with the stupid decision to give out dividends).
So no, I do not agree with things such as an AWatch, the Beats purchase and so on, coincidentally under Cook's helm and REGARDLESS of how much money the company makes with silly hip-hop teenagers.
And now you tell us to shut up just because we don't agree with certain things? We are not yet in North Korea; so gimme a break, please.
You're right that I shouldn't have written some of it, like that silly "those who have something..." - that was stupid of me.
Yes, I know you're an Apple fan, and like many posters here enjoy reading your views. And no, of course you shouldn't be happy with every announcement. As for the Watch, I'd hardly call it vaporware, even though technically it is (it's not released but announced). To me, vaporware relates mostly to all thing MS has announced but never delivered. Plus I don't think Tim's view vision is 'limited, analyst-driven' but yes, you can share your views on him, obviously.
Certainly hope I didn't offend you - that wasn't my intention.