Apple trying 'very hard' with $250K bonuses to nab Tesla engineers as van sightings proliferate

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  • Reply 81 of 99
    MacPromacpro Posts: 19,873member
    palomine wrote: »
    You guys LAUGHED at me when I posted a couple years ago that I thought Apple was making a car! :D


    Come on, we all know BMW already are the makers of the Apple Car. :D

    (if you don't get that joke, you haven't been reading AI very long)
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  • Reply 82 of 99
    cnocbuicnocbui Posts: 3,613member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by digitalclips View Post





    Better start with Japan ... makers of the best whisky award 2014! WTF is that about?



    http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/news/best-whisky-in-the-world-prize-won-by-japanese-malt-for-first-time-as-scottish-distilleries-lose-out-9835583.html



    p.s. Being part Irish, I tried it, pretty good! image



    That's odd:

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     And The Best Single Malt Whisky In The World Is From... Australia!

    Mar 22 2014


    http://www.businessinsider.com.au/and-the-best-single-malt-whisky-in-the-world-is-from-australia-2014-3

     

    It's all making sense now - "Distiller, manager and part-owner Patrick Maguire" ;)

     

    Funny you should mention whisky, An ancestor on my Scottish side owned a distillery, and on my Irish side there was a head distiller of an Irish distillery.

     

     

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  • Reply 83 of 99
    cnocbui wrote: »

    OK, I confess, It's a conspiracy.  We were planning on taking over the world but you rumbled us.

    Better start with Japan ... makers of the best whisky award 2014! WTF is that about?

    http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/news/best-whisky-in-the-world-prize-won-by-japanese-malt-for-first-time-as-scottish-distilleries-lose-out-9835583.html

    p.s. Being part Irish, I tried it, pretty good! :(
    Best whisky according to Jim Murray in 2014 was Glenmorangie Ealanta 1993, the Japanese winner is for 2015
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  • Reply 84 of 99
    Couldn't Apple just buy Tesla?
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  • Reply 85 of 99
    sog35 wrote: »
    Wow, almost religious fervor there! Calm down old boy!

    Religious fervor?  I think that's an obsolete term.  Seeing that 80% of the world don't really care about religion.  And most use religion as an excuse to do some evil stuff.  Like those ISIS.  They just use religion as an excuse to carry out their sick and peverted thoughts.  Just like the crusades, just like the Nazi Pope, ect.

    No man.  People get crazy for money, power, and sax

    Sax?

    I love jazz, but I'm not sure it has quite the universal appeal that money and power do.
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  • Reply 86 of 99
    marleychil wrote: »
    The fact that you do not agree is fine.  The tax advantages allows Apple to have it cake and eat it too.  The same with wealth and business, and politics you pay for what you get.  The advantage of being able to afford the best makes the playing field uneven.  Taxes burdens should not based uneven field.  

    Its not like someone with a income $10,000,000 a year pays a penny more for Wonder bread than someone making $100,000 or 10,000 a year.  The difference that by percentage the person making $100,000 will most likely carry the greatest burden.  This unfair to this income earner.  

    This is what Apple is doing, by shifting their earning oversea to mitigate their tax burden.  Like capital gains verses earn income it is not illegal.  But it does create a tier tax system of inequality that can restricted others freedoms and liberty while continuing the concentration of wealth.  There are other US corporations that have done this, and even more that will be following this example.  The same happens in shipping manufacturing overseas then shipping products back to sell, or out sourcing, or eliminating full time for part time then cutting wages and benefits.  It all about the bottom line.  Corporation exist for the benefit of the share holders, employees and the community and society they serve.  The benefits do not stop or are greater for share holders or the rich.

     Within the next 10 years, starting with the United States millions of jobs will be lost to the continuing growth in automation, robotics and autonomous driverless vehicles.  Consider 70% all driving jobs will be at risk. Every cab, bus, delivery and  alike, job could be loss.  These are the changing time and these things will happen.  However the least or poor will suffer the greatest, while the Apple's, the the Google's, the Uber's  and their share holders are the biggest gainers.  They can ride off into the sunset while their wealth grows.  

    At the same time that $100,000 can only work to carry the burden.  So that $100,000 doesn't even earn him a middle class life and the cycle continues to favor those able to pay for it.  The death of Americas middle class.  Who will now carry the burden?  Rather than become part of the solution now, the countries wealth will flee and yes APPLE is leading and I am sure you don't want to miss that boat? 

    No, I am American.

    First of all, you're right about the fact that markets are in upheaval. That's a good thing. That means old markets that cannot compete need to go away and new markets and new players need to compete to offer something new and more relevant for buyers and consumers today.

    The arguments about "inequality" and "wealth concentration" are plain old socialistic baloney. When opportunities for wealth are available to any willing to work and risk, then the possibility of financial ruin without forcing others to subsidize and provide for one's needs must also be a part of the equation. There should never be a "basic income" provided to anyone, free housing should become a relic of the past and infinite bailouts of any industry at the expense of the public should be a criminal offense.
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  • Reply 87 of 99
    dunksdunks Posts: 1,254member
    I think Tesla's looks great but I don't think I'd ever spend that much money on a car.
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  • Reply 88 of 99
    zoetmbzoetmb Posts: 2,658member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by cnocbui View Post

     

    I don't think it has to do with battery tech.  They could probably get a better result by throwing money at the University of Limerick: http://www.ul.ie/news-centre/news/researchers-make-breakthrough-in-battery-technology/

     

    No, I think they are thinking of making their own electric vehicle as they think it is the next big thing.




    I think that's absurd.   What core competency does Apple have that has anything to do with a vehicle?    And why would Apple even want to be in that business?  Apple is in very high margin businesses.  Cars are very low margin -- there's actually more money in the financing than there is in selling the car.   There's probably a greater potential margin in expensive cars like the Tesla, but Tesla has only built 7000 cars.  And do you think Apple would compete with Tesla?   

     

    Personally, I think the all electric car is not the answer.   In large cities, people live in apartments and frequently park on the street.  I live in NYC and outside of one road in Central Park near the zoo that has several charge stations for NYC official car use, I have never seen a charge station anywhere in my travels, although I'm sure a few exist in the personal garages of the 1%.   Although I've never seen a Tesla on the streets either - I've only seen them in a showroom and that showroom (Roosevelt Field Mall) apparently no longer exists.   And then there's the problem of used battery disposal and the environmental effects should all electric cars ever become dominant.   And it's also quite expensive, even as compared to gasoline when it was at its peak, not that people who can spend $90,000 for a car care about the price of fuel. 

     

    As per a previous post of mine, while it would take a lot of resources to capture every street in the country, or even every major street in important cities and towns, I have to believe that's what they're doing, even if it seems like Apple hasn't paid that much attention to making Maps better so far.

     

    I think there is a different future for Apple, but IMO, it's not going to be in automobiles, but in robots.   That's where I see Apple in 15 years and if Apple is truly trying to hire engineers out of Tesla, maybe it's to start research/demonstration work in the field.   That would make sense in terms of hiring mechanical engineers.  It actually make more sense to me than Apple developing a car.   Or, it could simply be as others have posted to get battery technology, but batteries in cars are quite different than batteries in computers and other small electronics.   

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  • Reply 89 of 99
    zoetmb wrote: »
    cnocbui wrote: »
     
    I don't think it has to do with battery tech.  They could probably get a better result by throwing money at the University of Limerick: http://www.ul.ie/news-centre/news/researchers-make-breakthrough-in-battery-technology/

    No, I think they are thinking of making their own electric vehicle as they think it is the next big thing.


    I think that's absurd.   What core competency does Apple have that has anything to do with a vehicle?    And why would Apple even want to be in that business?  Apple is in very high margin businesses.  Cars are very low margin -- there's actually more money in the financing than there is in selling the car.   There's probably a greater potential margin in expensive cars like the Tesla, but Tesla has only built 7000 cars.  And do you think Apple would compete with Tesla?   

    Personally, I think the all electric car is not the answer.   In large cities, people live in apartments and frequently park on the street.  I live in NYC and outside of one road in Central Park near the zoo that has several charge stations for NYC official car use, I have never seen a charge station anywhere in my travels, although I'm sure a few exist in the personal garages of the 1%.   Although I've never seen a Tesla on the streets either - I've only seen them in a showroom and that showroom (Roosevelt Field Mall) apparently no longer exists.   And then there's the problem of used battery disposal and the environmental effects should all electric cars ever become dominant.   And it's also quite expensive, even as compared to gasoline when it was at its peak, not that people who can spend $90,000 for a car care about the price of fuel. 

    As per a previous post of mine, while it would take a lot of resources to capture every street in the country, or even every major street in important cities and towns, I have to believe that's what they're doing, even if it seems like Apple hasn't paid that much attention to making Maps better so far.

    I think there is a different future for Apple, but IMO, it's not going to be in automobiles, but in robots.   That's where I see Apple in 15 years and if Apple is truly trying to hire engineers out of Tesla, maybe it's to start research/demonstration work in the field.   That would make sense in terms of hiring mechanical engineers.  It actually make more sense to me than Apple developing a car.   Or, it could simply be as others have posted to get battery technology, but batteries in cars are quite different than batteries in computers and other small electronics.   

    Not so sure about your robot speculation, but I agree with your doubts over electric cars. I don't think they'll be the future either, at least, not in its current state.

    Things seem to be coming full circle, to an extent, here in the UK. We used to all have petrol (gas in American, I think). Then, diesel became fashionable due to the economy. However, diesel is falling out of favour again because the fuel is more expensive and dirtier, the cars are more expensive than petrol, and petrol is becoming more efficient, especially combined with stop start technology and hybrid/electric technology.
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  • Reply 90 of 99
    philboogiephilboogie Posts: 7,675member
    zoetmb wrote: »
    I think that's absurd.   What core competency does Apple have that has anything to do with a vehicle?    And why would Apple even want to be in that business?  Apple is in very high margin businesses.  Cars are very low margin -- there's actually more money in the financing than there is in selling the car.   There's probably a greater potential margin in expensive cars like the Tesla, but Tesla has only built 7000 cars.  And do you think Apple would compete with Tesla?   

    Good point. I don't see Apple creating a car, for the same reasons. I'd believe they would be more inclined to see hem get into biotech more.
    In large cities, people live in apartments and frequently park on the street.  I live in NYC and outside of one road in Central Park near the zoo that has several charge stations for NYC official car use, I have never seen a charge station anywhere in my travels, although I'm sure a few exist in the personal garages of the 1%.   Although I've never seen a Tesla on the streets either - I've only seen them in a showroom...

    That contradicts to my small city of only half a million in The Netherlands: I see Tesla's every day, and electricity charge stations in many streets, annoying those without an electrical car as the parking spots are now reserved.
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  • Reply 91 of 99
    zoetmbzoetmb Posts: 2,658member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by PhilBoogie View Post





    Good point. I don't see Apple creating a car, for the same reasons. I'd believe they would be more inclined to see hem get into biotech more.

    That contradicts to my small city of only half a million in The Netherlands: I see Tesla's every day, and electricity charge stations in many streets, annoying those without an electrical car as the parking spots are now reserved.

    Can't compare the U.S. to the Netherlands.   The Netherlands is so much more advanced in many respects when it comes to the environment and social living.  Aside from Amsterdam itself, I was in Zeeland some years ago and was amazed at the fantastic protected bicycle paths everywhere and the beautiful local town.   In fact, whenever I'm in Europe, in spite of its many problems, I can completely understand why so many Europeans think Americans are completely nuts.  

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  • Reply 92 of 99
    zoetmb wrote: »
    Can't compare the U.S. to the Netherlands.   The Netherlands is so much more advanced in many respects when it comes to the environment and social living.  Aside from Amsterdam itself, I was in Zeeland some years ago and was amazed at the fantastic protected bicycle paths everywhere and the beautiful local town.   In fact, whenever I'm in Europe, in spite of its many problems, I can completely understand why so many Europeans think Americans are completely nuts.  

    Very true, different countries with different cultures.

    Yes, our favourite nations pastime is indeed spend on the bicycle and we created the infrastructure accordingly.

    Still, funny, enough, I don't think Americans are nuts, I like people 'being nutty' and have a couple great friends who are American.

    I hope more countries adapt the design of cycling lanes:

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  • Reply 93 of 99
    asdasdasdasd Posts: 5,686member
    First of all, you're right about the fact that markets are in upheaval. That's a good thing. That means old markets that cannot compete need to go away and new markets and new players need to compete to offer something new and more relevant for buyers and consumers today.

    The arguments about "inequality" and "wealth concentration" are plain old socialistic baloney. When opportunities for wealth are available to any willing to work and risk, then the possibility of financial ruin without forcing others to subsidize and provide for one's needs must also be a part of the equation. There should never be a "basic income" provided to anyone, free housing should become a relic of the past and infinite bailouts of any industry at the expense of the public should be a criminal offense.

    It doesn't look like the free market would survive without those bailouts.
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  • Reply 94 of 99
    zoetmb wrote: »
    philboogie wrote: »
    Good point. I don't see Apple creating a car, for the same reasons. I'd believe they would be more inclined to see hem get into biotech more.

    That contradicts to my small city of only half a million in The Netherlands: I see Tesla's every day, and electricity charge stations in many streets, annoying those without an electrical car as the parking spots are now reserved.
    Can't compare the U.S. to the Netherlands.   The Netherlands is so much more advanced in many respects when it comes to the environment and social living.  Aside from Amsterdam itself, I was in Zeeland some years ago and was amazed at the fantastic protected bicycle paths everywhere and the beautiful local town.   In fact, whenever I'm in Europe, in spite of its many problems, I can completely understand why so many Europeans think Americans are completely nuts.  

    Until you see how much tax those Europeans pay.
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  • Reply 95 of 99
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    Originally Posted by asdasd View Post





    It doesn't look like the free market would survive without those bailouts.



    We don't currently have a "free market". We are so steeped in laws and regulations that this seems normal to people.

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  • Reply 96 of 99
    zoetmbzoetmb Posts: 2,658member
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    Originally Posted by Benjamin Frost View Post





    Until you see how much tax those Europeans pay.



    25% of U.S. GDP is devoted to health care.   Millions of parents send their kids to private schools because the public schools suck.   We also have to pay for day care.    

     

    The question isn't how much taxes anyone pays  - it's how well one is able to live (and by how well, I don't just mean affording material goods, but how much time one can spend on pursuits other than work and the quality of one's daily life, including the cultural environment).

     

    While Europe certainly has its problems and my friends and business associates there are forced to live farther and farther away from the city's core because of ever-increasing real-estate prices, I'd give most countries in Western Europe the edge in terms of overall quality of life.   

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  • Reply 97 of 99
    zoetmb wrote: »
    philboogie wrote: »
    Good point. I don't see Apple creating a car, for the same reasons. I'd believe they would be more inclined to see hem get into biotech more.

    That contradicts to my small city of only half a million in The Netherlands: I see Tesla's every day, and electricity charge stations in many streets, annoying those without an electrical car as the parking spots are now reserved.
    Can't compare the U.S. to the Netherlands.   The Netherlands is so much more advanced in many respects when it comes to the environment and social living.  Aside from Amsterdam itself, I was in Zeeland some years ago and was amazed at the fantastic protected bicycle paths everywhere and the beautiful local town.   In fact, whenever I'm in Europe, in spite of its many problems, I can completely understand why so many Europeans think Americans are completely nuts.  

    Until you see how much tax those Europeans pay.
    Depends on how comparable the rates of taxation are and what you receive back from it.
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  • Reply 98 of 99
    Depends on how comparable the rates of taxation are and what you receive back from it.

    We don't pay road tax for electrical cars, or better stated, cars with very little CO2 emission.
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