Corning takes shot at sapphire with 'Project Phire' ultra scratch-resistant glass

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  • Reply 81 of 94
    cnocbuicnocbui Posts: 3,613member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post





    Don't remind me....



    (Way off topic, but do you know anything about ceramic non-sticks? I am intrigued: http://www.surlatable.com/search/search.jsp?N=4294967064&Ntt=greenpan&affsrcid=AFF0005&adpos=1t1&creative=60314752448&device=t&matchtype=p&network=g&gclid=CLPit8mT0MMCFcxj7AodzGQApg)

     

    I bought a Kyocera 28cm ceramic frying pan from Japan and it is the best non-stick I have used.  Good thing is it works on induction as well as other types of stove.  I do have some reservations in that there seemed to be a lot of warnings in Japanese about presumably not exceeding 1100w with it, but I haven't had any problems.

     

    edit: actually, I think the warning might just be about scorching the food and suggesting not to exceed 1100w

  • Reply 82 of 94
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Apple ][ View Post

     

    I meant that Apple should make "Project Phire" glass an exclusive, if that is truly what's best at the moment. Even if Apple were to pay more, then that's ok. Apple has billions to spend, as we all know.


    I know you are not going to like this but Samsung and Corning have a joint venture called Samsung Corning Precision Materials so I think it would be  unlikely that Corning Inc. would sign exclusive deal with Apple for smartphone glass.

  • Reply 83 of 94
    elrothelroth Posts: 1,201member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post





    You are certainly welcome to think what you will, but they haven't been around, and innovated, for 150 years for nothing.



    Apple is not the only great company in the world.



    And yet, if not for Steve Jobs, Corning wouldn't have even started making Gorilla Glass again - they had no idea what to do with it. And if sapphire weren't a current concern, they wouldn't be making improvements in it. Old school thinking, until they were dragged out of it.

  • Reply 84 of 94
    solipsismysolipsismy Posts: 5,099member
    elroth wrote: »
    And yet, if not for Steve Jobs, Corning wouldn't have even started making Gorilla Glass again - they had no idea what to do with it.

    There is no evidence to support that claim. We know Steve Jobs got the product into production much faster than Corning thought possible but we don't know they wouldn't have realized it at some point, especially when smartphones moving to multitouch capacitance screens.
  • Reply 85 of 94
    elroth wrote: »


    And yet, if not for Steve Jobs, Corning wouldn't have even started making Gorilla Glass again - they had no idea what to do with it. And if sapphire weren't a current concern, they wouldn't be making improvements in it. Old school thinking, until they were dragged out of it.

    Looks like you did not even bother with the rest of the thread.
  • Reply 86 of 94
    jd_in_sbjd_in_sb Posts: 1,600member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post



    "So, we created a product that offers the same superior damage resistance and drop performance of Gorilla Glass 4 with scratch resistance that approaches sapphire."

     

    Say what? Gorilla Glass breaks so easily there is an entire industry setup to repair damaged screens. I had a iphone fall 2 feet off a chair and the screen cracked. Gorilla Glass is fragile.

  • Reply 87 of 94
    jd_in_sb wrote: »
    <div class="quote-container" data-huddler-embed="/t/184693/corning-takes-shot-at-sapphire-with-project-phire-ultra-scratch-resistant-glass#post_2672455" data-huddler-embed-placeholder="false">Quote:<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>AppleInsider</strong> <a href="/t/184693/corning-takes-shot-at-sapphire-with-project-phire-ultra-scratch-resistant-glass#post_2672455"><img alt="View Post" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" /></a><br /><br />"So, we created a product that offers the same superior damage resistance and drop performance of Gorilla Glass 4 with scratch resistance that approaches sapphire."</div></div><p> </p><p>Say what? Gorilla Glass breaks so easily there is an entire industry setup to repair damaged screens. I had a iphone fall 2 feet off a chair and the screen cracked. Gorilla Glass is fragile.</p>
    That's damage resistance not bleeding invunerable!
  • Reply 88 of 94
    jd_in_sb wrote: »
    Say what? Gorilla Glass breaks so easily there is an entire industry setup to repair damaged screens. I had a iphone fall 2 feet off a chair and the screen cracked. Gorilla Glass is fragile.

    "So easily" isn't an SI unit rating. What transparent material with scratch resistance that approaches that of sapphire would be better for these displays, if not toughened alkali-aluminosilicate sheet glass?

    Note: no one said it was Bruce Willis unbreakable, but for the application there is no better glass material available… and that's putting it lightly.*



    * Would "… and that's not even scratching the surface." work there?
  • Reply 89 of 94
    Any one having issues with new iphone6/plus? Screen seems to be easly scratched. Did Apple use different type of glass?
  • Reply 90 of 94
    solipsismysolipsismy Posts: 5,099member
    jaydog813 wrote: »
    Any one having issues with new iphone6/plus? Screen seems to be easly scratched. Did Apple use different type of glass?

    Yes. They used Gorilla Glass 3, which is harder than the previous Gorilla Glass they've used previously.
  • Reply 91 of 94
    habihabi Posts: 317member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Red Oak View Post



    Jobs should have locked Corning into a 10 year exclusive deal in return for saving their company



    Corning immediately went and sold the Apple inspired product (aka Gorilla Glass) to the Android crowd



    So pathetic

     

    If you really look at the reasons that iphone made it big, you cant downplay the use of gorilla glass and how good the screen holds out on use compared to the old plastic touch screens. This was one of the most important 3 things that made me buy it in the first place (having several plastic touchscreen smartphones before).

     

    I was surprised that apple didnt try to sement that relationship more exlusive straight from the beginning. Apple could have bought the patents and let corning use it for them or start an joint company with them that only produces for Apple. They probably would have paid quite some money but hey. I dont think the competition would have cought up even until now. It just looks like Steve didnt have the balls to try that... it would have been a costly failure if it went sour. Or perhaps he couldn' t grasp how important this symbiosis would be.

  • Reply 92 of 94
    habi wrote: »
    red oak wrote: »
    Jobs should have locked Corning into a 10 year exclusive deal in return for saving their company


    Corning immediately went and sold the Apple inspired product (aka Gorilla Glass) to the Android crowd


    So pathetic

    If you really look at the reasons that iphone made it big, you cant downplay the use of gorilla glass and how good the screen holds out on use compared to the old plastic touch screens. This was one of the most important 3 things that made me buy it in the first place (having several plastic touchscreen smartphones before).

    I was surprised that apple didnt try to sement that relationship more exlusive straight from the beginning. Apple could have bought the patents and let corning use it for them or start an joint company with them that only produces for Apple. They probably would have paid quite some money but hey. I dont think the competition would have cought up even until now. It just looks like Steve didnt have the balls to try that... it would have been a costly failure if it went sour. Or perhaps he couldn' t grasp how important this symbiosis would be.

    Well reasoned.

    I suspect that running a business is all about getting the balance right in taking risks. Jobs probably thought there were more than enough risks at the advent of the iPhone than to risk a long-term partnership with Corning. In particular, the deal with AT&T shows how vulnerable Apple were at the beginning. With hindsight, it would probably have been better for Apple to propagate to more carriers earlier, but they couldn't.

    And now, it seems that Cook took a risky bet with sapphire and lost. He should have followed your advice.

    It'll be interesting to see if anything comes of sapphire in the next few years, or whether Corning will stay at the top.
  • Reply 93 of 94
    WOuldn't it be great if phone glass actually was shatterproof rather than being shatterproof "if you don't drop it". With the current home furnishing trend of hardwood and tiled floors in preference to carpet, combined with mobile phones being made of glass.... there is a need for more robust devices and hopefully gorilla glass 4 will go some way to solving the issue.
  • Reply 94 of 94
    cnocbuicnocbui Posts: 3,613member

    If they made the screen out of Trivex®, it would be shatterproof.  it would scratch more easily though.

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