5M+ Apple Watch units to be built for launch, 18k gold 'Edition' could be Apple's most expensive pro

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  • Reply 101 of 126
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post





    Now, you both have heard from someone (I use my real name, here) that intends to buy 5 -- one for each member of our household!



    We all have iPhones (5 and above) and iPads (2 and above).





    The Apple Watch will have the ability to notify family when any of us is in danger -- excessive or no pulse rate.



    That, alone, justifies the Apple Watch!



    In 2001, my wife died suddenly, unexpectedly -- while I was less than 40 feet away in the computer room ...



    I am sorry for your loss, my father passed away as we were working in the same office. I know it has the ability to share a heartbeat with one another, but i don't think they mean for that to be every second of every day. As that much active use would probably drain the battery. It will be interesting to see if it has the features you are thinking it does, I remember them saying it could notify a doctor if something were to happen, but maybe that was a feature that was removed. Good luck. 

  • Reply 102 of 126
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    Originally Posted by Michael Scrip View Post

     
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    Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton View Post



    Just wait two years when the hardware is obsolete, and QVC The Shopping Network is selling these with deep discounts on their cable channel. /s




    With the exception of the battery that can wear out over time... I don't see how the first-gen Apple Watch will be "obsolete" in two years.



    It's basically a 2nd screen for an iPhone... there's not a lot of stuff happening on the watch itself.



    Apple may add new sensors and features to future Apple watches... but the first Apple Watch will continue to do what it is supposed to do: notifications, Siri, health measurements, etc.



    Since the guts of the ?Watch is totally contained in one module, I'm guessing Apple will keep the watch up to date with a swap out of the guts. Of course, if the dial (screen), or the sensors are updated, then my guess wouldn't apply. But you are correct, even not updates, the ?Watch hasn't lost any of its original utility or design elegance.

  • Reply 103 of 126
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    Originally Posted by Macky the Macky View Post

     



    Since the guts of the ?Watch is totally contained in one module, I'm guessing Apple will keep the watch up to date with a swap out of the guts. Of course, if the dial (screen), or the sensors are updated, then my guess wouldn't apply. But you are correct, even not updates, the ?Watch hasn't lost any of its original utility or design elegance.




    I was thinking that too, I wonder if the parts will be upgradeable , but hey it's there first shot at a wrist worn device. 

  • Reply 104 of 126
    crowleycrowley Posts: 7,878member
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    Originally Posted by Benjamin Frost View Post





    No.



    The iPad sold over 15 million units in its first year.

    You're right, but if you're making claims about figures you should source them.

     

    Q3 2010: 3.27 million

    Q4 2010: 4.19 million

    Q1 2011: 7.11 million

    Q2 2011: 4.69 million

     

    19.26 million total for the first full year.

     

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    Originally Posted by Benjamin Frost View Post





    No.



    The iPhone sold over 10 million units in its first year.

     

    Wrong, and again, source your figures (if you have any).

     

    Q4 2007: 1.389 million (includes Q3)

    Q1 2008: 2.315 milllion

    Q2 2008: 1.703 million

    Q3 2008: 0.717 million

     

    That's 6.124 million, and covers five quarters in total (I think the iPhone was released towards the end of Q3 2007, which is why the numbers weren't given until Q4).

  • Reply 105 of 126
    crowley wrote: »
    19.26 million total for the first full year.

    Why ignore the quarter it was launched?
    That's 6.124 million, and covers five quarters in total (I think the iPhone was released towards the end of Q3 2007, which is why the numbers weren't given until Q4).

    They released the numbers. It was 270k.
  • Reply 106 of 126
    crowleycrowley Posts: 7,878member
    ^
    I know, it was in the Q4 press release (but not the Q3). I'm sure it was in the detailed Q3 report but damned if I'm putting in even more effort to prove someone else's point. Doesn't make a difference to the result anyway, still less than 10 million even if you're generous and count five quarters.

    Q2 2010 release didn't mention the iPad so I assume it either didn't release until Q3, or was so late in Q2 that it didn't warrant mentioning: http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2010/04/20Apple-Reports-Second-Quarter-Results.html
    In any case, Apple sold pretty close to 15 million iPads for just the three quarters Q3 2010 through Q1 2011, so it's largely moot. They beat 15 million for the first full year, no doubt about it.
  • Reply 107 of 126
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    Originally Posted by jfc1138 View Post

     



    You stare at your watch for seven straight days?

     

    ...

    How does staring at the watch increase battery consumption?

     

    The announced applications don't offer enough advantage for me to be ready to charge it every day.

    Listening to the rumors the field of applications for the first iteration could be smaller than anticipated.

  • Reply 108 of 126
    crowley wrote: »
    No.


    The iPad sold over 15 million units in its first year.
    You're right, but if you're making claims about figures you should source them.

    Q3 2010: 3.27 million
    Q4 2010: 4.19 million
    Q1 2011: 7.11 million
    Q2 2011: 4.69 million

    19.26 million total for the first full year.
    No.


    The iPhone sold over 10 million units in its first year.

    Wrong, and again, source your figures (if you have any).

    Q4 2007: 1.389 million (includes Q3)
    Q1 2008: 2.315 milllion
    Q2 2008: 1.703 million
    Q3 2008: 0.717 million

    That's 6.124 million, and covers five quarters in total (I think the iPhone was released towards the end of Q3 2007, which is why the numbers weren't given until Q4).

    Thanks for the correction.

    I hadn't realised first year sales of the iPhone were so low. I remember the poor sales initially due to the high price, but I thought they picked up more. I think they beat 10 million by the end of calendar year 2008, which you could say is the first full calendar year of sales.

    But yes, it was will be a high target to beat the iPad.
  • Reply 109 of 126
    crowleycrowley Posts: 7,878member

    The figures are publicly available and not hard to find.  Stop with the guessing.

  • Reply 110 of 126
    crowley wrote: »
    The figures are publicly available and not hard to find.  Stop with the guessing.

    He wasn't guessing, he was trolling. He's been informed and given the quarters and results multiple times before you had given it to him.
  • Reply 111 of 126
    crowleycrowley Posts: 7,878member
    This forum deserves a better class of troll.
  • Reply 112 of 126
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    Originally Posted by copeland View Post

     

    How does staring at the watch increase battery consumption?

     

    The announced applications don't offer enough advantage for me to be ready to charge it every day.

    Listening to the rumors the field of applications for the first iteration could be smaller than anticipated.


    Presumably one stares at a Apple Watch with the screen active. That draws more power (probably most of the power the device uses.) I suppose you could stare at Apple Watch with the screen blank/off. Perhaps Edition owners will do that just to admire its looks.

     

    It is really hard to tell at this point what the capabilities will be on launch day. I expect a very thorough (and big) media event shortly before the device is ready for sale and delivery. The event will detail many apps ready to go, likely with several key demos. It will be a media circus. And I will watch it live with cash in hand.

     

    Remember that iPhone had no 3rd party apps on it for some time after launch. I keep hearing Jony's voice from the reveal movie: "I think we are at a *compelling beginning...*" When I saw my first iPhone, I though "meh. Too expensive." It got better. It is now an indisposable device for me. A huge selling point for me is Apple Pay compatible with my 5s. I'm skipping the iPhone 6 cycle (I skipped several iterations before.)

     

    The in-home use for me is also a huge selling point. I can put my iPhone on the charger/dock at home. If I actually get a call (and for you kids out there, you can actually have real time voice communications!) I will be able to hear it anywhere in the house - via Apple Watch. 

     

    I discount the battery life issues. A full day of normal use will be plenty, particularly if the recharge cycle is 20 minutes. Put it on the charger when you take a shower. And of course, third parties will make all kinds of battery solutions, from docks to little pocket power bricks for emergencies, to cigarette lighter docks for the car, to solar solutions.

     

    But fairly, you original point about battery life is the long pole for the device's ultimate capability. When it can get to your iPhone (or mac?) via cell or wifi independently, we will really have a killer device no one will want to be without. A killer feature would be being able to make a 911 call without iPhone nearby, and relay the GPS coordinates of the user. A lo-jack for your kid?

  • Reply 113 of 126
    crowley wrote: »
    This forum deserves a better class of troll.

    In a previous comment I even brought up Jobs original comment about what he meant by wanting 1% in the first year of handset sales. Jobs mentioned that handset sales had reached 1 billion so 1% would be 10 million, but did he mean the first 4 quarters on the market (5.407MM) , first full four quarters on the market (5.854MM), first full fiscal year on the market (11.627MM), first full calendar year on the market (13.675MM), some combination of all of them up through 2008 either fiscal (13.016MM) or calendar (17.379MM) or something else entirely?

    Some of those latter options seem dubious and we know the iPhone went through some radical marketing changes that first year*. From the price drop, to the rebate, to the capacity drop, to the capacity increase, and then followed up by about 1.5 quarters with pretty much no iPhone sales during it's 5th quarter on the market which results in only 717k units being sold as they had completely stopped production on that first design.

    To me, all that points to a lot of missteps by Apple for the original iPhone. It's arguably their best product ever and they built well enough that it could easily overcome those issues, but we can't look back with rose coloured glasses, especially when we have the first truly different product category HW from Apple since the iPhone, which very well may have similar growing pains. Apple isn't infallible so there will probably be a lot of changes during that first year.

    Frankly, I don't want to hear BF and his ilk reading an unsubstantiated negative rumour about ?Watch so he can say "he told us so" when there were more than there fair share of negative press about the iPod, iPhone and iPad when they first hit the market, despite their massive success. I come here to be illuminated, not irritated.



    * I didn't include the profit-sharing change over to the substation model, because I am not a fan of the subsidized model. It's a bias, for sure, and certainly should be added to that list of major changes that first year, but keep it as an addendum for this post.
  • Reply 114 of 126
    solipsismy wrote: »
    crowley wrote: »
    This forum deserves a better class of troll.

    In a previous comment I even brought up Jobs original comment about what he meant by wanting 1% in the first year of handset sales. Jobs mentioned that handset sales had reached 1 billion so 1% would be 10 million, but did he mean the first 4 quarters on the market (5.407MM) , first full four quarters on the market (5.854MM), first full fiscal year on the market (11.627MM), first full calendar year on the market (13.675MM), some combination of all of them up through 2008 either fiscal (13.016MM) or calendar (17.379MM) or something else entirely?

    Some of those latter options seem dubious and we know the iPhone went through some radical marketing changes that first year*. From the price drop, to the rebate, to the capacity drop, to the capacity increase, and then followed up by about 1.5 quarters with pretty much no iPhone sales during it's 5th quarter on the market which results in only 717k units being sold as they had completely stopped production on that first design.

    To me, all that points to a lot of missteps by Apple for the original iPhone. It's arguably their best product ever and they built well enough that it could easily overcome those issues, but we can't look back with rose coloured glasses, especially when we have the first truly different product category HW from Apple since the iPhone, which very well may have similar growing pains. Apple isn't infallible so there will probably be a lot of changes during that first year.

    Frankly, I don't want to hear BF and his ilk reading an unsubstantiated negative rumour about ?Watch so he can say "he told us so" when there were more than there fair share of negative press about the iPod, iPhone and iPad when they first hit the market, despite their massive success. I come here to be illuminated, not irritated.



    * I didn't include the profit-sharing change over to the substation model, because I am not a fan of the subsidized model. It's a bias, for sure, and certainly should be added to that list of major changes that first year, but keep it as an addendum for this post.

    Ah, so the iPhone did sell over 10 million for the first fiscal year, which is the metric that would be used by Apple.

    I was right all along, as I suspected.

    Time to eat crow, Crowley.
  • Reply 115 of 126
    crowleycrowley Posts: 7,878member

    If that's what you'd claimed, you'd be right.  Didn't though, did you?  And my point was never about you being right or wrong, but that you lack any intellectual rigour.  Source your claims, and don't just pull numbers out of your ass.

     

    If you'd sourced it correctly, then you might have got the claim right.

  • Reply 116 of 126
    crowley wrote: »
    If that's what you'd claimed, you'd be right.  Didn't though, did you?  And my point was never about you being right or wrong, but that you lack any intellectual rigour.  Source your claims, and don't just pull numbers out of your ass.

    If you'd sourced it correctly, then you might have got the claim right.

    :???:
  • Reply 117 of 126
    crowleycrowley Posts: 7,878member

    Hmm?

  • Reply 118 of 126
    solipsismy wrote: »
    crowley wrote: »
    This forum deserves a better class of troll.

    In a previous comment I even brought up Jobs original comment about what he meant by wanting 1% in the first year of handset sales. Jobs mentioned that handset sales had reached 1 billion so 1% would be 10 million, but did he mean the first 4 quarters on the market (5.407MM) , first full four quarters on the market (5.854MM), first full fiscal year on the market (11.627MM), first full calendar year on the market (13.675MM), some combination of all of them up through 2008 either fiscal (13.016MM) or calendar (17.379MM) or something else entirely?]

    He meant in calendar 2008:

    http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/wireless/phones/2007-06-28-iphone-launch_N.htm
  • Reply 119 of 126
    philboogie wrote: »

    That article seems to indictate the first 18 months. That's 50% longer than any of the one year claims previously claimed in this thread. It also means that those claiming Apple sold more than 10MM iPhones in the first year are inarguably wrong.
  • Reply 120 of 126
    solipsismy wrote: »
    philboogie wrote: »

    That article seems to indictate the first 18 months. That's 50% longer than any of the one year claims previously claimed in this thread. It also means that those claiming Apple sold more than 10MM iPhones in the first year are inarguably wrong.

    Sorry, wrong article to link to. But I remember the confusion and understood afterwards he meant calendar 2008. Here's a 'better' link:

    http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/live-from-macworld-2007-steve-jobs-keynote/



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