Shuttle drivers at Apple, other Silicon Valley tech companies vote for Teamsters representation

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  • Reply 41 of 170
    richlrichl Posts: 2,213member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by daveinpublic View Post



     If the city is becoming popular, let anyone who wants to pay money get in. If I own property in San Francisco, let me sell it for the price I want. Let me rent it for the price I want. Let people have a choice to live there. If you can't afford to live there, maybe you need to move to one of the places that these suppressed people have had to live for the last 200 years.

     

    The charm of San Francisco doesn't come from the tech workers, the lawyers or the doctors. What makes San Francisco attractive as a city is slowly being killed by those who find it attractive. The city will become just another large soulless American city unless action is taken to make it accessible to all incomes.

  • Reply 42 of 170
    Does the math add up? Before they got almost $20 and hour. Now they get $24.50. Surely they are paying $6-7 or more an hour to the union. This is not a free service. Why are these workers complaining? $20 an hour to drive bus -- is this economy? I live in Honduras. $20 is almost five DAYS of work at the factories.
  • Reply 43 of 170
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 12,979member
    San Francisco was settled by white people like myself who ran Native Americans out, many of which made their money by slavery or as a result of it. Now that Native Americans and African Americans have the opportunity to return and buy a house in a beautiful place like San Francisco, some want to use their influence and their governments influence to keep things the way they have been. They want to cement their position even though no one in the past was able to do that. If the city is becoming popular, let anyone who wants to pay money get in. If I own property in San Francisco, let me sell it for the price I want. Let me rent it for the price I want. Let people have a choice to live there. If you can't afford to live there, maybe you need to move to one of the places that these suppressed people have had to live for the last 200 years.

    You must be really old if you made any money as a result of slavery. ;)

    I guess suburbia wasn't it was cracked up to be. White people fled metropolitan areas which allowed minorities to move in, and now that you can't afford to live where the white people that never left live in you're moving into the neighborhoods of the oppressed, and pushing them out which further oppresses them.
  • Reply 44 of 170
    dasanman69 wrote: »
    I've been hearing that nonsense all my life. This was going to eliminate that, that was going to eliminate this. We're going to have so much free time on our hands because of automation, and if anything we have less free time.

    Do you have more or less time to do whatever you want because you own computers and iPhones? Speaking for myself I have more free time and can do more with these effort multiplying devices. I "work" less than half as much as I used to and spend most of my time doing what I really want to do (I put the "work" in quotes because I like my work).
  • Reply 45 of 170
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 12,979member
    Do you have more or less time to do whatever you want because you own computers and iPhones? Speaking for myself I have more free time and can do more with these effort multiplying devices. I "work" less than half as much as I used to and spend most of my time doing what I really want to do (I put the "work" in quotes because I like my work).

    You're the exception, not the rule. I don't work with computers, so they haven't helped me in any way.
  • Reply 46 of 170
    dasanman69 wrote: »
    You're the exception, not the rule. I don't work with computers, so they haven't helped me in any way.

    You're using a computer right now, plus whether you realize it or not computers have multiplied the productivity and access to information for almost everyone because even if an individual does not have access to a computer, the people THEY interact with have access, and that additional layer of access affects every aspect of economic activity.
  • Reply 47 of 170
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 12,979member
    You're using a computer right now, plus whether you realize it or not computers have multiplied the productivity and access to information for almost everyone because even if an individual does not have access to a computer, the people THEY interact with have access, and that additional layer of access affects every aspect of economic activity.

    While that's true, I still haven't seen people with a plethora of free time. There are still long lines at the DMV, and in banks, etc...., and all things computers and automation were supposed to improve.
  • Reply 48 of 170
    dasanman69 wrote: »
    While that's true, I still haven't seen people with a plethora of free time. There are still long lines at the DMV, and in banks, etc...., and all things computers and automation were supposed to improve.

    If you make an appointment online (or even using a phone) for the DMV, you'll find your time spent waiting is dramatically reduced, although this is certainly not an endorsement of any government services. Also, many banking tasks may be carried out online and using an ATM. Automation and computation are already so embedded in our interactions that they seem invisible to most.
  • Reply 49 of 170
    If you make an appointment online (or even using a phone) for the DMV, you'll find your time spent waiting is dramatically reduced, although this is certainly not an endorsement of any government services. Also, many banking tasks may be carried out online and using an ATM.

    Unfortunately the DMVs near me do not have that option, and yes ATMs, and online banking is supposed reduced lines but I have yet to see it. Today is the last day of the month, go to a bank and see if there's not a long line today.
  • Reply 50 of 170
    dasanman69 wrote: »
    Unfortunately the DMVs near me do not have that option, and yes ATMs, and online banking is supposed reduced lines but I have yet to see it. Today is the last day of the month, go to a bank and see if there's not a long line today.

    I'm guessing only the woefully uninformed or very special cases are those spending time waiting in bank lines.
  • Reply 51 of 170
    splifsplif Posts: 592member
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    Originally Posted by wizard69 View Post





    What is The wow all about. $24 an hour is already damn good wages for a stupid person to earn.

    How does it feel to live your life in theory?

  • Reply 52 of 170
    I'm guessing only the woefully uninformed or very special cases are those spending time waiting in bank lines.

    Fortunately for bank tellers, the woefully uninformed are plentiful. :lol:
  • Reply 53 of 170
    mpantonempantone Posts: 1,375member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post



    I've been hearing that nonsense all my life. This was going to eliminate that, that was going to eliminate this. We're going to have so much free time on our hands because of automation, and if anything we have less free time.



    You have less free time today because you post idiocy like this on the Internet, something you didn't do twenty years ago. time with things you didn't do two decades ago, like read Apple rumor sites and post nonsensical comments.

     

    Twenty years ago, if you wanted to buy a plane ticket, you drove to a travel agency, talked with someone for a while, then bought your tickets, which likely were snail mailed to you within a week.

     

    If you wanted to buy some books, you drove to the bookstore and perused the titles for an hour. Or maybe you read about something in a newspaper or magazine article. And perhaps you had an older title in mind. Oh wait, it's not in stock. We'll special order it for you, please come back in a week to pick up that back-ordered item. Same thing with records or CDs. Today, you shop iTunes Store or Kindle Store and click Buy.

     

    Same with videos. You went to Blockbuster, perused the titles, then waited at the counter. Remember, there are late fees if you don't return your videos on time, so you hurry in the morning, leave home a little early so you can dump stuff into the store's returns slot before you head off to work, school, etc.

     

    How about pumping gas? In the bad old days, you had to go inside to pay with cash, or later, to hand over a credit/debit card to activate the pump, then return to pay for the transaction and retrieve your plastic, often waiting behind other people there to do the same thing. Today, the POS terminals are on the pump.

     

    And how about that refund check from the IRS? In the bad old days, you anxiously peered into the mailbox and when it did arrive, it meant a drive to the bank. Today, direct deposit. You do nothing but wait for the funds to arrive in the designated account.

     

    Have you ever shopped at a bricks-and-mortars Apple Store? Ten years ago, you picked out your purchase and stood in a line for the next available sales associate to ring you up. Today, they have handheld terminals for a quick credit card swipe, and you can opt to have your receipt e-mailed to you.

     

    There are countless other ways that technology has saved you time.

     

    You have understood nothing.

  • Reply 54 of 170
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post





    This Republican notion that everyone can get an education, and make it is so wrong. Everyone can't be a doctor, a lawyer, a developer, or own a business. We need people to be policeman, fire fighters, garbage collectors, and bus drivers. Those people provide an essential service, and should earn a living wage.



    SF is a small city that has been hit hard by gentrification. The new residents are willing to pay more in rent, and as are the businesses that cater to them. This causes long time residents, and businesses to get pushed out by their landlord. The higher cost of doing business gets passed on to the consumer. It's people that make the cost of living to sky rocket, so how do you suggest we remedy that?



    I am a republican, and I don't care what political party you belong  to if you want an education you can get one and earn one yourself.

    Both my son and my daughter earned and worked there way through college.  I am a blue collar worker and could not afford to "give them an education but saying it is a republican notion that everyone can get an education is complete baloney.  I have democratic or as they like to be called "progressive" neighbors that believe the same thing that if you want an education you can get one.  Both of them are lower middle income like me and could not afford them an education either.  But they both have sons and daughters that earned there education the hard way like my son and daughter, by getting two jobs and going to school.  No one said it would be easy, but it can be done and has nothing to do with political affiliation.

  • Reply 55 of 170
    wizard69 wrote: »
    What is The wow all about. $24 an hour is already damn good wages for a stupid person to earn.

    How exactly are they stupid people?
  • Reply 56 of 170
    mpantone wrote: »

    You have less free time today because you post idiocy like this on the Internet, something you didn't do twenty years ago. time with things you didn't do two decades ago, like read Apple rumor sites and post nonsensical comments.

    Twenty years ago, if you wanted to buy a plane ticket, you drove to a travel agency, talked with someone for a while, then bought your tickets, which likely were snail mailed to you within a week.

    If you wanted to buy some books, you drove to the bookstore and perused the titles for an hour. Or maybe you read about something in a newspaper or magazine article. And perhaps you had an older title in mind. Oh wait, it's not in stock. We'll special order it for you, please come back in a week to pick up that back-ordered item. Same thing with records or CDs. Today, you shop iTunes Store or Kindle Store and click Buy.

    Same with videos. You went to Blockbuster, perused the titles, then waited at the counter. Remember, there are late fees if you don't return your videos on time, so you hurry in the morning, leave home a little early so you can dump stuff into the store's returns slot before you head off to work, school, etc.

    How about pumping gas? In the bad old days, you had to go inside to pay with cash, or later, to hand over a credit/debit card to activate the pump, then return to pay for the transaction and retrieve your plastic, often waiting behind other people there to do the same thing. Today, the POS terminals are on the pump.

    And how about that refund check from the IRS? In the bad old days, you anxiously peered into the mailbox and when it did arrive, it meant a drive to the bank. Today, direct deposit. You do nothing but wait for the funds to arrive in the designated account.

    Have you ever shopped at a bricks-and-mortars Apple Store? Ten years ago, you picked out your purchase and stood in a line for the next available sales associate to ring you up. Today, they have handheld terminals for a quick credit card swipe, and you can opt to have your receipt e-mailed to you.

    There are countless other ways that technology has saved you time.

    You have understood nothing.

    Yet everything you listed is done on free time. I meant free time as opposed to work which the hours spent doing has increased, not decreased.
  • Reply 57 of 170
    mechanic wrote: »
    I am a republican, and I don't care what political party you belong  to if you want an education you can get one and earn one yourself.
    Both my son and my daughter earned and worked there way through college.  I am a blue collar worker and could not afford to "give them an education but saying it is a republican notion that everyone can get an education is complete baloney.  I have democratic or as they like to be called "progressive" neighbors that believe the same thing that if you want an education you can get one.  Both of them are lower middle income like me and could not afford them an education either.  But they both have sons and daughters that earned there education the hard way like my son and daughter, by getting two jobs and going to school.  No one said it would be easy, but it can be done and has nothing to do with political affiliation.

    You conveniently left out the 'make it' part. The truth is all the universities in the US don't have enough spots for every single high school graduate, and there aren't enough retail spaces for everyone to open a business. We still need a great many of those kids to be soldiers, to flip burgers, to stock the shelves at our retailers, etc, etc, etc. I know plenty of college graduates that couldn't find work, and had to settle for a blue collar job.
  • Reply 58 of 170
    dasanman69 wrote: »
    You conveniently left out the 'make it' part. The truth is all the universities in the US don't have enough spots for every single high school graduate, and there aren't enough retail spaces for everyone to open a business. We still need a great many of those kids to be soldiers, to flip burgers, to stock the shelves at our retailers, etc, etc, etc. I know plenty of college graduates that couldn't find work, and had to settle for a blue collar job.

    Having a college degree isn't a guarantee of a job. It's just proof that a student is capable of completing assigned tasks. If there is no work available in their preferred field, they have to adjust their expectations.
  • Reply 59 of 170
    Having a college degree isn't a guarantee of a job. It's just proof that a student is capable of completing assigned tasks. If there is no work available in their preferred field, they have to adjust their expectations.

    Yet many here think these bus drivers are stupid, and incapable of having a college education when there's the possibility that they are educated, and couldn't find work. Some people don't have the benefit of moving in with Mommy, and Daddy into their 30s.
  • Reply 60 of 170
    newbeenewbee Posts: 2,055member
    boredumb wrote: »
    Until otherwise proven, I choose to believe he's joking...

    The problem is, how does one "prove" the difference between an idiot and a comedian. You choose comedian, while I, after a brief glance over his posting history, chose the other option.
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