I don't pay for TV service,. I cut the cord. I only pay for Internet Service. I put up a large Antenna and get all the broadcast channels that way. I use 2 Duel HD Homerun tuners to record up to 4 programs at once, or record 3 and watch something LIVE, etc and Record to my Windows 7 PC using Media Center. I can then watch on one of my Xbox 360's hook to one of my 3 HDTV's. They boot up directly into Media Center Extender mode. I control them using Harmony 900 remotes. I have FULL DVR Capabilities. I can start watching in the family room and finsh off in the bedroom. Pause LIVE TV. The same program can be watched in 2 -3 different rooms at once at different points in time. it's great. A new Xbox 360 is $199. You don't need a HDD or a kinect. Don't even need a Gold subscription. Buy s used Xbox and it's even cheaper. FREE Program and Channel guide. All my shows are automatically recorded. Once the hardware is paid for, it's FREE and Legal every month!!! I get ABC, CBS,. NBC, FOX, CW and others in HD and 5.1 surround sound and with a better picture then cable or satellite.
Throw in Netflix and there's a ton of content. I sure don't have enough time to keep up as it is. For the few shows I really like, for example "The Walking Dead" on AMC. I buy a Season Pass in SD version as it looks more the good enough from Amazon, and when a new Episode Airs on Sunday night, I can watch the new one commercial free on Monday. Plus I own it and so can watch it again in the future at any time. A few season passes is a drop in the bucket in savings. There's other options now like the Tablo which looks interesting. The Monthly service for the channel.program guide is far more reasonable then TIVO. You can have the Box anywhere with a Antenna connection, Ethernet is best, plus you need a external HDD to record content onto and a ROKU or a few other devices to play the content onto your HDTV, using like a iOS device to control. It looks Interesting and there's a 2 and 4 tuner version. That's a option and cheaper then my setup.
I very much appreciate your dyi approach! I've considered adding an over the air antenna and some kind of media center pc to record programming but when I start going down that road, I think it would just be easier (not cheaper, but easier) to just get cable again, have one box, one interface, and keep it simple.
For the few shows I really like, for example "The Walking Dead" on AMC. I buy a Season Pass in SD version as it looks more the good enough from Amazon, and when a new Episode Airs on Sunday night, I can watch the new one commercial free on Monday. Plus I own it and so can watch it again in the future at any time. A few season passes is a drop in the bucket in savings.
I think this "next day" option will have to change. I don't necessarily think it'll be an entire season dumps like with modern Internet-based content creators, but I do think eventually they'll have to some that's more equatable as the market shifts.
You're just a petty little person who needs to be right all the time. Get over yourself. I've made my OPINIONS on this subject very clear. Nothing contradictory despite your strong desire to find contradiction instead of engage in discourse. But that's what you do, as evidenced by your piles or I'm right, you're wrong posts that we all have to suffer in every thread. Every time I look at this site, I am guaranteed to find you stinking up the comments, being rude, unfriendly, condescending. Your posts are never friendly. They're never kind in spirit. You're a nasty little troll. Get a life.
LOL still with the personal attacks and still with the hypocrisy. The part is you may not actually see it, just like you adamantly claim you won't use multiple services while detailing how you use multiple services. Please, by all means keep it up. You refuse to engage in a civil or useful converstion but your novel concept of logic is currently holding my interest, so by all means continue to dance for me.
I have a Tablo which gets all the local stations via an antenna. Tablo would be perfect if Apple would allow 3rd party apps on ATV since Tablo already makes apps for Ipad, iPhone, Roku and other platforms. I also subscribe to Hulu and Netflix. This combo gets me more tv than I can watch for under $25 a month. For sports you can subscribe to the various league streaming services and there is a way around blackouts.
I think this "next day" option will have to change. I don't necessarily think it'll be an entire season dumps like with modern Internet-based content creators, but I do think eventually they'll have to some that's more equatable as the market shifts.
LOL still with the personal attacks and still with the hypocrisy. The part is you may not actually see it, just like you adamantly claim you won't use multiple services while detailing how you use multiple services. Please, by all means keep it up. You refuse to engage in a civil or useful converstion but your novel concept of logic is currently holding my interest, so by all means continue to dance for me.
For the last time, I said I'm not going to jump between multiple boxes and services. As I explained earlier, apple TV is one box. It's like chsnging channels between Netflix and Hulu and apple and whatever else. But you know this. And you ignore my comments and keep beating me over the head with your perceived contradiction. What's your problem? Why are you such a jerk? I offered a reasonable opinion about a rumored TV service and because you don't agree with my point of view, you just look for reasons to be a jerk. There's nothing contradictory about anything I've said. So why do you keep hounding me? Why do you always need to be a judgmental jerk? Do you even read your own posts or are you too busy spewing your troll vomit all over these forums to even notice what little you add to the conversation? I watch TV one way today. And I'm allowed to offer an opinion on a rumored service. How I watch tv today has nothing to do with that rumored service. They are two different things. And my opinion stands, despite your pathetic relentless attacks on anything I post. I'm not going to pay $40/month to watch commercials. At that point, I'll pay for cable and a DVR. That was my original comment on the rumored TV service and it stands. My current viewing habits have nothing to do with that. Geez, I feel sorry for the people in your life. Although I'm guessing there aren't many with a personality like yours. No wonder you're blasting these forums with 20+ posts of condescending, self important garbage every day. No one in the real world probably puts up with you, much less likes you.
Get a HD antenna. Also, I don't think you need DVR since all past programs are available. I believe you can pause, rewind live TV and have 3-day replay with Sling. I believe Apple will be at least the same or even better than Sling. In the past, Apple negotiated to skip commercials too.
No. Music was sold Ala Carte not because of Apple but because of rampant illegal file sharing programs (Napster). The studios either had to sell digital music at a reasonable price or they would get killed by piracy.
No different than losing subscribers to cord cutting alternatives and torrent, in my opinion.
I expect only the channels I want and only paying for them.
That's what Apple will do, but maybe in way that they put TV channels in tiers and let you choose from these such as: 5 from tier1, 10 from tier 2 and the rest from tier 3 for $40/mo. I think it should work.
but we are talking about TV content here not file sharing.
You've made a lot of anti-bit torrent comments over the years and I've never seen you qualify it to refer to only "TV content."
I agree that bit torrents are heavily used for illegal media of al kinds (cracked programs, activation codes, movies, tension shows, music, books, porn, etc.) but I just wanted you to be aware for bit torrent's legitimate uses.
How is saying Apple's service is not worth $40 different from saying its a rip off? Exact same thing. Ripoff means the cost isn't worth it.
But of course to someone like you who blantantly STEALS anything more than FREE is a ripoff.
Thankful Apple doesn't need 'customers' like you to be successful.
I freely use torrent to watch my favorite basketball team, who is outside of my region. The alternative is to pay $200 + tax, on top of what you're already paying the cable company, and the games still wouldn't even be available in HD. On torrent, most of them are HD. Some nice person recorded it and chose to share it. You can run around saying that's stealing and that's fine.
How is saying Apple's service is not worth $40 different from saying its a rip off? Exact same thing. Ripoff means the cost isn't worth it.
But of course to someone like you who blantantly STEALS anything more than FREE is a ripoff.
Thankful Apple doesn't need 'customers' like you to be successful.
Oh geez. Apple is lucky to have customers like me. Ones who have been buying product for over 30 years. Ones who make their living using Apple products. Ones who write software for Apple OSes. Ones who have converted other businesses to Apple products. You know nothing about me.
Now get over your self important self. I said I'm not paying to watch commercials. That doesn't make the service a rip off. A rip off suggests that something is more expensive than it should be. I never said that. I said I don't want to pay if I'm forced to watch commercials. In that case I'lll pay for cable and use a DVR to skip them. My comment was about paying for a feature (no commercials,or being able to skip them), not about whether the service was overpriced, and thus a rip off.
Blatantly steals? Get off your high horse. Did you even read anything I wrote? Or did you just see torrent and do your usual forum troll, jump to conclusions dance? I said I watch most content via Hulu (paid, via advertising I'm forces to endure, but it's short and sweet so I tolerate it) and iTunes (again, paid). And Netflix (paid). I said that occasionally I torrent sonething if no PAID/LEGAL service offers it. But all of that just flew right over your ugly little troll head, didn't it?
Show me where you can get cable with 2 HD-DVR boxes for $40 a month.
You are also ignoring the potential of a much better Apple user interface (compared to cable companies) and being able to watch anything on your iPad/iPhone anywhere (cant do that on Time warner)
You're being ignorant dude. One of the main reason cord cutting exist is because of the heavy use of commercials. It doesn't matter so much that the service is cheaper. Apple's approach, from what it seems from this article, is not holistically different than what the cable providers offer.
Btw, you can watch content on your iDevices already with many providers. It's underutilized however.
Looks like you've posted 20+ times on just this one thread, so far...:rolleyes:
True. Because I'm not going to let these two forum troll bullies go unchallenged. But Im done now. I've been reading this site for many many years and it used to be a fun place to exchange thoughts and ideas. Not so much anymore.
go justify it any way you want. If you want that content LEGALLY bust out your wallet and subscribe to cable. That's what we honest people do. And maybe that's why this Apple TV service appeals to us so much.
But not to you since you can just STEAL and watch the shows you want for free anyway.
Like I said Apple does not need customers who would rather STEAL than pay a few more bucks a month.
Just because something is illegal, doesn't make is wrong dude. There's nothing wrong with people sharing content with each other.
You're being ignorant dude. One of the main reason cord cutting exist is because of the heavy use of commercials. It doesn't matter so much that the service is cheaper. Apple's approach, from what it seems from this article, is not holistically different than what the cable providers offer.
Btw, you can watch content on your iDevices already with many providers. It's underutilized however.
Nice to see someone who gets it. I'd pay $100+/month for a service with fewer "channels" that are commercial free. Offering a commercial free solution is how you differentiate yourself and give your customers something better. Otherwise you're just another cable provider. And if viewers can't skip commercials like they can with cable and a DVR, the service is even less compelling.
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I very much appreciate your dyi approach! I've considered adding an over the air antenna and some kind of media center pc to record programming but when I start going down that road, I think it would just be easier (not cheaper, but easier) to just get cable again, have one box, one interface, and keep it simple.
I think this "next day" option will have to change. I don't necessarily think it'll be an entire season dumps like with modern Internet-based content creators, but I do think eventually they'll have to some that's more equatable as the market shifts.
LOL still with the personal attacks and still with the hypocrisy. The part is you may not actually see it, just like you adamantly claim you won't use multiple services while detailing how you use multiple services. Please, by all means keep it up. You refuse to engage in a civil or useful converstion but your novel concept of logic is currently holding my interest, so by all means continue to dance for me.
I have a Tablo which gets all the local stations via an antenna. Tablo would be perfect if Apple would allow 3rd party apps on ATV since Tablo already makes apps for Ipad, iPhone, Roku and other platforms. I also subscribe to Hulu and Netflix. This combo gets me more tv than I can watch for under $25 a month. For sports you can subscribe to the various league streaming services and there is a way around blackouts.
For the last time, I said I'm not going to jump between multiple boxes and services. As I explained earlier, apple TV is one box. It's like chsnging channels between Netflix and Hulu and apple and whatever else. But you know this. And you ignore my comments and keep beating me over the head with your perceived contradiction. What's your problem? Why are you such a jerk? I offered a reasonable opinion about a rumored TV service and because you don't agree with my point of view, you just look for reasons to be a jerk. There's nothing contradictory about anything I've said. So why do you keep hounding me? Why do you always need to be a judgmental jerk? Do you even read your own posts or are you too busy spewing your troll vomit all over these forums to even notice what little you add to the conversation? I watch TV one way today. And I'm allowed to offer an opinion on a rumored service. How I watch tv today has nothing to do with that rumored service. They are two different things. And my opinion stands, despite your pathetic relentless attacks on anything I post. I'm not going to pay $40/month to watch commercials. At that point, I'll pay for cable and a DVR. That was my original comment on the rumored TV service and it stands. My current viewing habits have nothing to do with that. Geez, I feel sorry for the people in your life. Although I'm guessing there aren't many with a personality like yours. No wonder you're blasting these forums with 20+ posts of condescending, self important garbage every day. No one in the real world probably puts up with you, much less likes you.
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People here won't be happy about an Apple TV product until:
1. Ala Carte. Only pay for channels you want.
2. Pricing. $1 per channel. LOL.
3. No commericals. Even on live TV.
Some people are just living in a dream world.
One could argue that you're simply unimaginative. Reminds me of the same staunch resistance against a phone with a large touchscreen and no keyboard.
I don't recall that phone costing less than the previous ones....
Here are the possible disadvantages:
1. No DVR support.
2. No NBC.
3. Blackouts on local sports.
Get a HD antenna. Also, I don't think you need DVR since all past programs are available. I believe you can pause, rewind live TV and have 3-day replay with Sling. I believe Apple will be at least the same or even better than Sling. In the past, Apple negotiated to skip commercials too.
No. Music was sold Ala Carte not because of Apple but because of rampant illegal file sharing programs (Napster). The studios either had to sell digital music at a reasonable price or they would get killed by piracy.
No different than losing subscribers to cord cutting alternatives and torrent, in my opinion.
I expect only the channels I want and only paying for them.
Looks like you've posted 20+ times on just this one thread, so far...
I don't recall that phone costing less than the previous ones....
The comparison I used was about the acceptance of new ideas, not price. That guy seems very unwilling to believe the status quo can change.
I expect only the channels I want and only paying for them.
That's what Apple will do, but maybe in way that they put TV channels in tiers and let you choose from these such as: 5 from tier1, 10 from tier 2 and the rest from tier 3 for $40/mo. I think it should work.
You've made a lot of anti-bit torrent comments over the years and I've never seen you qualify it to refer to only "TV content."
I agree that bit torrents are heavily used for illegal media of al kinds (cracked programs, activation codes, movies, tension shows, music, books, porn, etc.) but I just wanted you to be aware for bit torrent's legitimate uses.
Where did you get that statistic?
How is saying Apple's service is not worth $40 different from saying its a rip off? Exact same thing. Ripoff means the cost isn't worth it.
But of course to someone like you who blantantly STEALS anything more than FREE is a ripoff.
Thankful Apple doesn't need 'customers' like you to be successful.
I freely use torrent to watch my favorite basketball team, who is outside of my region. The alternative is to pay $200 + tax, on top of what you're already paying the cable company, and the games still wouldn't even be available in HD. On torrent, most of them are HD. Some nice person recorded it and chose to share it. You can run around saying that's stealing and that's fine.
Oh geez. Apple is lucky to have customers like me. Ones who have been buying product for over 30 years. Ones who make their living using Apple products. Ones who write software for Apple OSes. Ones who have converted other businesses to Apple products. You know nothing about me.
Now get over your self important self. I said I'm not paying to watch commercials. That doesn't make the service a rip off. A rip off suggests that something is more expensive than it should be. I never said that. I said I don't want to pay if I'm forced to watch commercials. In that case I'lll pay for cable and use a DVR to skip them. My comment was about paying for a feature (no commercials,or being able to skip them), not about whether the service was overpriced, and thus a rip off.
Blatantly steals? Get off your high horse. Did you even read anything I wrote? Or did you just see torrent and do your usual forum troll, jump to conclusions dance? I said I watch most content via Hulu (paid, via advertising I'm forces to endure, but it's short and sweet so I tolerate it) and iTunes (again, paid). And Netflix (paid). I said that occasionally I torrent sonething if no PAID/LEGAL service offers it. But all of that just flew right over your ugly little troll head, didn't it?
Show me where you can get cable with 2 HD-DVR boxes for $40 a month.
You are also ignoring the potential of a much better Apple user interface (compared to cable companies) and being able to watch anything on your iPad/iPhone anywhere (cant do that on Time warner)
You're being ignorant dude. One of the main reason cord cutting exist is because of the heavy use of commercials. It doesn't matter so much that the service is cheaper. Apple's approach, from what it seems from this article, is not holistically different than what the cable providers offer.
Btw, you can watch content on your iDevices already with many providers. It's underutilized however.
True. Because I'm not going to let these two forum troll bullies go unchallenged. But Im done now. I've been reading this site for many many years and it used to be a fun place to exchange thoughts and ideas. Not so much anymore.
This is like expecting McDonalds to allow you just to buy burgers without the bun/condiments for a discounting price.
No. It's like wanting a burger without the fries and drinks, which is an option.
occasionally stealing is still stealing.
go justify it any way you want. If you want that content LEGALLY bust out your wallet and subscribe to cable. That's what we honest people do. And maybe that's why this Apple TV service appeals to us so much.
But not to you since you can just STEAL and watch the shows you want for free anyway.
Like I said Apple does not need customers who would rather STEAL than pay a few more bucks a month.
Just because something is illegal, doesn't make is wrong dude. There's nothing wrong with people sharing content with each other.
Nice to see someone who gets it. I'd pay $100+/month for a service with fewer "channels" that are commercial free. Offering a commercial free solution is how you differentiate yourself and give your customers something better. Otherwise you're just another cable provider. And if viewers can't skip commercials like they can with cable and a DVR, the service is even less compelling.