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  • Reply 121 of 181
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    Originally Posted by sog35 View Post

     

     

    LOLOOOLOLOLLOOOLOLOLLOLOOLOLOLOLLLOLOOL!!!

     

     

    Just put yourself in the singers shoes for one second.

     

    What if one person bought your CD than duplicated it 1,000,000 and gave it away for free.  You would receive NOTHING.  How would that make you feel?


    Of course I wouldn't want that. I would also like to charge $100 per song, but that isn't the point. No one is stealing anything. My friend did not steal a CD I gave to him freely.

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  • Reply 122 of 181
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    So if you stole a car from the street and 'gave it' to your friend he would not be guilty of anything?

     

    are you serious?


    What the **** are you saying? Seriously? Are you trolling? If I stole a car, obviously then I stole it. But if I bought a CD, which I then gave to my friend, no one stole anything.

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  • Reply 123 of 181
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    according to the law you stole intellectual property.

     

    Yes you did steal, even if you can't grasp it.


    This is what I was waiting for you to concede. This is who you are as a person. You're someone who simply follows whatever the rulers tells you to. If one can rationally conclude that my friend stole a CD that I bought and freely gave to him, then that is very pathetic.

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  • Reply 124 of 181
    solipsismysolipsismy Posts: 5,099member
    What the **** are you saying? Seriously? Are you trolling? If I stole a car, obviously then I stole it. But if I bought a CD, which I then gave to my friend, no one stole anything.

    Is burning a CD with illegally obtained music stealing in your eyes?

    No, you giving an Audio CD to your friend is not the illegal part, but I think you're well aware that the legality issue is you keeping the content on your iPod after you've transferred ownership of the purchase Audio CD to another individual. Will be prosecuted or that? Of course not, which is why you clearly did it and have no problem bragging about it online, but it doesn't alter the facts.
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  • Reply 125 of 181
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    So it burning a CD with illegally obtained music stealing in your eyes?

    Of course it's not, at least from that scenario. If my friend chose to rip the CD to his iPod, there's nothing wrong with that. He obtained it illegally (me giving it to him), but It was never stolen.

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  • Reply 126 of 181
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    so you take pride in breaking laws and criticize other who obey laws?  How does that make me pathetic?

     

    so IP theft isn't a crime?  OMG.

     

    And how am I the pathetic one when STEALING IP is hurting REAL PEOPLE?  The artist/singers/ect are getting HURT because of your law breaking.  How would you like someone STEALING your life's work?  If I'm a pathetic person for wanted these singers (99% who make less than minimum wage) to get every cent they deserve than so be it.  I'm pathetic for having a heart.


    It's a crime only insofar as it's illegal. But no, it isn't wrong.

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  • Reply 127 of 181
    solipsismysolipsismy Posts: 5,099member
    Of course it's not, at least from that scenario. If my friend chose to rip the CD to his iPod, there's nothing wrong with that.

    Ah, so you're claiming you never gave him the Audio CD, only that you let him "borrow" it. Good one¡ Honestly, you don't need to play this silly semantics game Andrew William, born in 1987(?) because you're not going to get in trouble with the law over it.
    He obtained it illegally (me giving it to him), but It was never stolen.

    Now you're saying he obtained the CD illegally (which is stealing) even though you say you gave it to him. Make up your mind. If this were a court of law you'd be fucked.
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  • Reply 128 of 181
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    Originally Posted by sog35 View Post

     

     

    So you are okay with stealing intellectial property.  Some of it is worth literally BILLIONS (see Apple suit vs Samsung)

     

    Whatever makes you sleep at night.

     

    Do you not see how this HURTS REAL PEOPLE?  Artist.  Authors.  Actors. Ect.  How can you not see this?


    IP as a concept makes no sense. My friend didn't steal a CD I gave to him. It doesn't matter if there's billions at stake.

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  • Reply 129 of 181
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    Originally Posted by sog35 View Post

     

     

    so you take pride in breaking laws and criticize other who obey laws?  How does that make me pathetic?

     

    so IP theft isn't a crime?  OMG.

     

    And how am I the pathetic one when STEALING IP is hurting REAL PEOPLE?  The artist/singers/ect are getting HURT because of your law breaking.  How would you like someone STEALING your life's work?  If I'm a pathetic person for wanted these singers (99% who make less than minimum wage) to get every cent they deserve than so be it.  I'm pathetic for having a heart.


    It's a crime only insofar as it's illegal. But no, it isn't wrong.


    Honestly, this is one of the most shockingly unconscionable things I've read in this thread. You can dress it up any way you want, but theft is theft. Period.

     

    I hope you -- or someone you care deeply for -- never have to depend on IP for a living.

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  • Reply 130 of 181
    solipsismysolipsismy Posts: 5,099member
    It's a crime only insofar as it's illegal. But no, it isn't wrong.

    You have the right to not agree with laws and you have the right to believe that stealing isn't wrong. If you personally don't believe that stealing is unethical or should in any way be punishable, that's your business (although most will disagree with your position on the matter), but I wonder if you'd feel the same way if it happened to you. My guess is if your identity was stolen and your credit ruined you would feel very differently about right and wrong in that instance.
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  • Reply 131 of 181
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    Originally Posted by SolipsismY View Post





    Ah, so you're claiming you never gave him the Audio CD, only that you let him "borrow" it. Good one¡ Honestly, you don't need to play this silly semantics game Andrew William, born in 1987(?) because you're not going to get in trouble with the law over it.

    Now you're saying he obtained the CD illegally (which is stealing) even though you say you gave it to him. Make up your mind. If this were a court of law you'd be fucked.

    Re-read the discussion. You may be confused. The scenarios was that I bought a CD, ripped it to my iPod, then gave it to my friend after sometime. I didn't let him borrow it.

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  • Reply 132 of 181
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    Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

     

    Honestly, this is one of the most shockingly unconscionable things I've read in this thread. You can dress it up any way you want, but theft is theft. Period.

     

    I hope you -- or someone you care deeply for -- never have to depend on IP for a living.


    There are many nonsensical things your government creates and inforce. IP is one of them. It's just normal, non-violent, people sharing things. If you want to claim that's stealing, you can. You would be logically wrong (as it does not fit the definition of stealing), but you would be legally correct.

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  • Reply 133 of 181
    solipsismysolipsismy Posts: 5,099member
    Re-read the discussion. You may be confused. The scenarios was that I bought a CD, ripped it to my iPod, then gave it to my friend after sometime. I didn't let him borrow it.

    So you did transfer ownership of the physical CD with the music that was licensed to you on that CD. That means you are holding illegal content on your iPod, just as I stated because you are no longer the owner of that Audio CD.
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  • Reply 134 of 181
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    Originally Posted by sog35 View Post

     

     

    Let me help you.

     

    Lets say you go to theater and watch a movie.  You paid for the ticket.  But then you recorded the movie.

     

    The next day you go to the park right next to the theater and set up a huge projector system and show the movie you just recorded in the theater.  Now dozens of people can watch the movie (with bad quality) without paying a cent.

     

    Is that stealing?

     

    You bought your ticket legally?

     

    But does that give you the right to use the IP in anyway you see fit?  To rebroadcast it publicly?


    Of course you didn't steal.

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  • Reply 135 of 181
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    Originally Posted by SolipsismY View Post





    So you did transfer ownership of the physical CD with the music that was licensed to you on that CD. That means you are holding illegal content on your iPod, just as I stated because you are no longer the owner of that Audio CD.

    I know I would be an "illegal" owner of the content, but I never stole anything. No one did in that scenario.

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  • Reply 136 of 181
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    but would it be right for the theater to ask you to stop playing the movie?

     

    Or do you have the right to broadcast their IP without their consent?


    Of course they can ask me to stop playing the movie.

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  • Reply 137 of 181
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    and arrest you?


    Of course not. No one stole anything.

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  • Reply 138 of 181

    Dude, I know people would be arrested. I'm saying they shouldn't be.

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  • Reply 139 of 181
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    solipsismy wrote: »
    So you did transfer ownership of the physical CD with the music that was licensed to you on that CD. That means you are holding illegal content on your iPod, just as I stated because you are no longer the owner of that Audio CD.

    I'm glad I'm not part of this discussion. It has been fun reading it though. :lol:
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  • Reply 140 of 181
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    well if you don't want to follow the laws of the USA you might want to live somewhere else.


    Imagine if those people who didn't want to follow the fugitive slave act took your advice?

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