Apple's Tim Cook plans to give away all of his money

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  • Reply 21 of 111
    magman1979magman1979 Posts: 1,301member
    If Tim Cook really wished to be good, he would give away all of his money today.

    It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

    Every single fucking thing you say is offensive on SO MANY levels.
  • Reply 22 of 111
    slurpyslurpy Posts: 5,386member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Benjamin Frost View Post

     

    If Tim Cook really wished to be good, he would give away all of his money today.

     

    It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.


     

    Tim Cook has an infinitely better chance of entering "The Kingdom of Heaven" than you. So maybe focus on worrying about your own fate, instead of Cook's. 

  • Reply 23 of 111
    slurpyslurpy Posts: 5,386member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by k2director View Post

     



    Tim Cook has presided over the greatest DROP in Apple product quality I've noticed since the second Jobs era began.

     

    I run into more frustrating bugs in Apple products than I ever had before, and while I used to believe that "It Just Works" was a slogan that you could truly use to describe the experience of using Apple gear (for the most part...no company or product is perfect), that's no longer remotely true.

     

    Apple has become sloppy, and very slow at addressing its sloppiness when it does finally move to correct it. 

     

    And yet, the idea that Apple products "Just Work" is what created all of the great opportunities for Apple in the last 15+ years. It compelled people to pay a premium for Apple gear, and it compelled them to trust Apple when it introduced new products in new categories.

     

    But under Tim Cook's watch, that's all started to noticeably erode. It's not the mark of a great leader. It's the mark of **mediocrity.** Tim has been coasting on Apple's earlier greatness and tremendous momentum. That doesn't stop on a dime but it's very telling that the most important asset Apple has ever had -- It Just Works -- is what has suffered the most since Tim has taken the helm. 


     

    Sorry, complete horse-shit. I've had infinitely more issues with Apple products in the past than I have today, whether it's OSX or iOS. There's only the perception of more bugs, because the software has so many new features, moving parts, and most importantly of all, USERS. When you sell 75,000,000 of a single product in a quarter, the amount of people with issues or whiners is going to be magnified. And we also get sensational people like you, who prefer to exaggerate in order to push a particular narrative. The fact that you don't have a SINGLE word of praise for Cook, even though he's universally admired with what he's accomplished and where he's taken Apple, and the fact that you use a word like "coast" - when Apple has made MASSIVE changes and improvements to both its software, hardware, and services the past couple years - proves the utter lack of your objectivity. Just like so many other trolls, you're being intellectually dishonest about the "it just works" meme, as if that was ever really the case.

     

    "Coasting"? Fucking ridiculous. No one who has followed Apple closely from 2011 until now can make that statement with a straight face, with the myriad of innovations that have taken place, both hardware and software.  Even beyond that:

     

    - Apple products are still rated as best of their product categories in almost all major reviews, even with so much competition. 

    - Apple customer satisfaction ratings are through the roof

    - Apple sales are through the roof, even with higher prices

    - Apple revenues/profits through the roof

    - Stock through the roof

     

    There's not a single shred of emperical evidence for your claims. If things were as bad as you say they are, people would stop buying Apple products, not increase in rate. 

  • Reply 24 of 111
    jungmarkjungmark Posts: 6,927member
    k2director wrote: »

    Tim Cook has presided over the greatest DROP in Apple product quality I've noticed since the second Jobs era began.

    I run into more frustrating bugs in Apple products than I ever had before, and while I used to believe that "It Just Works" was a slogan that you could truly use to describe the experience of using Apple gear (for the most part...no company or product is perfect), that's no longer remotely true.

    Apple has become sloppy, and very slow at addressing its sloppiness when it does finally move to correct it. 

    And yet, the idea that Apple products "Just Work" is what created all of the great opportunities for Apple in the last 15+ years. It compelled people to pay a premium for Apple gear, and it compelled them to trust Apple when it introduced new products in new categories.

    But under Tim Cook's watch, that's all started to noticeably erode. It's not the mark of a great leader. It's the mark of **mediocrity.** <span style="line-height:1.4em;">Tim has been coasting on Apple's earlier greatness and tremendous momentum. That doesn't stop on a dime but it's very telling that the most important asset Apple has ever had -- It Just Works -- is what has suffered the most since Tim has taken the helm. </span>

    You have numbers to back that up? Are you including MobileMe in your pre-Cook analyst?

    In this day, there are more Apple products in the wild than before and hence more vocal complainers.
  • Reply 25 of 111
    sflocalsflocal Posts: 6,123member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Slurpy View Post

     

     

    Tim Cook has an infinitely better chance of entering "The Kingdom of Heaven" than a slithering, xenophobic, bigoted, racist troll like you. So maybe focus on worrying about your own fate, instead of Cook's. 




    What's worse is the lack of intelligence the mods are (not) displaying towards BF.  He pretty much gets away with spewing all kinds of vile crap, but HEY, criticize the mods for their ineptness and hypocrisy and those "thankless, volunteer" mods delete my posts.  We can't have that now.  



    Just watch... I give it one hour before the mods delete this post too, and pretend all the faithful forum contributors are all happy-go-lucky folks and not complaining about the wild-west post-free-for-all that trolls like BF have turned this once-valued forum.



    I hope the mods are unpaid volunteers, because that would explain the lack of oversight.  If they were paid, I'd show them the exit door.

  • Reply 26 of 111
    sandorsandor Posts: 665member
    Even more important is the deadlines that Buffet & Gates have set on the giving away of their foundation's monies within a certain number of years postmortem.

    This is all based on the idea that the cost to solve problems will increase more rapidly than the capital in the charities.

    Good on the likes of Cook, Jobs, Buffett, Lenfest and others of their ilk.


    "The man who dies rich, dies disgraced."
    -Andrew Carnegie
  • Reply 27 of 111
    irun262irun262 Posts: 121member
    If Tim Cook really wished to be good, he would give away all of his money today.

    It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

    But with God, all things are possible.
  • Reply 28 of 111
    MarvinMarvin Posts: 15,446moderator
    adrayven wrote: »
    Since he has no close family that I've heard of, 'spouse' or bothers/sisters, cannot say this would come as a surprise.

    Tim Cook has two brothers, Gerald and Michael.

    "If you grew up in Robertsdale, you might remember Tim Cook’s brothers, Gerald and Michael.

    Gerald, 56, worked for the Internal Revenue Service after high school for five years, then went on to Auburn University. He works now as an analyst for a company in North Carolina, said his mother, Geraldine.

    Michael, 47, joined the Air Force after high school. He works now in the maritime industry, following in the steps of his father, Don."

    http://blog.al.com/live/2014/02/tim_cook_--_apple_ceo_and_robe.html

    The article mentions his nephew. He has a lot of money though so even a small portion will support them.
    k2director wrote:
    somehow, people like Tim (and Buffett and Bill Gates, etc.) think that giving their money away to "non-profit" entities led by people who have no idea how to create wealth and rarely create "products" that people would actually pay for with their hard-earned money is the best use of their estates. Usually, it's not.

    If only everyone thought that anything with any value had a dollar sign on it. How much did you pay for your family? I got mine bargain basement but I sure wish I could have afforded one of the nicer ones.

    I agree that non-profits aren't as efficiently run as businesses but their goal is social improvement, which is a goal that people recognize very indirectly and are rarely willing to pay for. People tend to part with money for short-term return. Education is usually non-profit but it does work.
  • Reply 29 of 111
    thrangthrang Posts: 1,031member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Benjamin Frost View Post

     

    If Tim Cook really wished to be good, he would give away all of his money today.

     

    It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.




    Worry about your charitable planning...

  • Reply 30 of 111
    If Tim Cook really wished to be good, he would give away all of his money today.

    It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

    You obviously passed with top honours at the University of Nastiness. :no:
  • Reply 31 of 111
    geekmeegeekmee Posts: 646member
    If Tim Cook really wished to be good, he would give away all of his money today.

    It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
    Let's be clear here... I'm no Bible scholar, but I was awake during this Bible lesson... This quote was given as analogy to a man who THOUGHT his money could buy his way into Heaven.

    I see no moral relevance in the quote to Tim Cook.
  • Reply 32 of 111
    SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 33,407member

    I have no criticisms whatsoever about what plans Tim has for his own money. It's no ones business but his own.

  • Reply 33 of 111
    I am so proud of him... people should do that... When all my patents go thru and they get developed, I am going to do the same thing.
  • Reply 34 of 111
    konqerrorkonqerror Posts: 685member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by k2director View Post

     

    But somehow, people like Tim (and Buffett and Bill Gates, etc.) think that giving their money away to "non-profit" entities led by people who have no idea how to create wealth and rarely create "products" that people would actually pay for with their hard-earned money is the best use of their estates. Usually, it's not.

     


     

    If you pay attention to Bill Gates' foundation (which Buffet gives to), you would know that this is completely false. The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation is completely different from all of the other charities, which I do agree give non-sustainable PR-laden welfare. The difference is that Bill's foundation spends their money building up the foundations: that is the technology, and knowledge to say, build a toilet that works in a poor area. They have no problems spending money in the West and even sponsoring projects by for-profit corporations.

     

    See http://www.gatesfoundation.org/What-We-Do/Global-Development/Reinvent-the-Toilet-Challenge

     

    Stuff like how to best manage paperwork for healthcare http://www.gatesfoundation.org/How-We-Work/General-Information/Grant-Opportunities/Improving-Information-Systems-for-Child-Health

     

    A normal charity would just dump a bunch of porta-potties somewhere in Africa and take pictures, and a for profit, non-governmental organization sees no gain.

  • Reply 35 of 111
    nasseraenasserae Posts: 3,167member
    If Tim Cook really wished to be good, he would give away all of his money today.

    It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
    I find it amazing that you found a way to critize positive article about Tim Cook giving away all his money to charity. This tell us a lot about your lack character
  • Reply 36 of 111
    nolamacguynolamacguy Posts: 4,758member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by k2director View Post

     



    Tim Cook has presided over the greatest DROP in Apple product quality I've noticed since the second Jobs era began.

     

    I run into more frustrating bugs in Apple products than I ever had before, and while I used to believe that "It Just Works" was a slogan that you could truly use to describe the experience of using Apple gear (for the most part...no company or product is perfect), that's no longer remotely true.

     

    Apple has become sloppy, and very slow at addressing its sloppiness when it does finally move to correct it. 

     

    And yet, the idea that Apple products "Just Work" is what created all of the great opportunities for Apple in the last 15+ years. It compelled people to pay a premium for Apple gear, and it compelled them to trust Apple when it introduced new products in new categories.

     

    But under Tim Cook's watch, that's all started to noticeably erode. It's not the mark of a great leader. It's the mark of **mediocrity.** Tim has been coasting on Apple's earlier greatness and tremendous momentum. That doesn't stop on a dime but it's very telling that the most important asset Apple has ever had -- It Just Works -- is what has suffered the most since Tim has taken the helm. 


     

    incorrect. the devices have gotten much more complicated. despite this, there has never been a finer mac, iphone, or tablet than today's.

  • Reply 37 of 111
    nolamacguynolamacguy Posts: 4,758member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Slurpy View Post

     

    Sorry, complete horse-shit. I've had infinitely more issues with Apple products in the past than I have today, whether it's OSX or iOS. There's only the perception of more bugs, because the software has so many new features, moving parts, and most importantly of all, USERS. When you sell 75,000,000 of a single product in a quarter, the amount of people with issues or whiners is going to be magnified. And we also get sensational people like you, who prefer to exaggerate in order to push a particular narrative. The fact that you don't have a SINGLE word of praise for Cook, even though he's universally admired with what he's accomplished and where he's taken Apple, and the fact that you use a word like "coast" - when Apple has made MASSIVE changes and improvements to both its software, hardware, and services the past couple years - proves the utter lack of your objectivity. Just like so many other trolls, you're being intellectually dishonest about the "it just works" meme, as if that was ever really the case.

     

    "Coasting"? Fucking ridiculous. No one who has followed Apple closely from 2011 until now can make that statement with a straight face, with the myriad of innovations that have taken place, both hardware and software.  Even beyond that:

     

    - Apple products are still rated as best of their product categories in almost all major reviews, even with so much competition. 

    - Apple customer satisfaction ratings are through the roof

    - Apple sales are through the roof, even with higher prices

    - Apple revenues/profits through the roof

    - Stock through the roof

     

    There's not a single shred of emperical evidence for your claims. If things were as bad as you say they are, people would stop buying Apple products, not increase in rate. 


     

    well said, man. the number of either fools who dont understand this or trolls who do but prefer to spread FUD around on this site is....mind-numbing. 

  • Reply 38 of 111
    geekmee wrote: »
    Let's be clear here... I'm no Bible scholar, but I was awake during this Bible lesson... This quote was given as analogy to a man who THOUGHT his money could buy his way into Heaven.

    I see no moral relevance in the quote to Tim Cook.

    Let's put it into context. You've all seen, most likely, Arabic doors. They're shaped like the eye of a needle, getting a little more round at the top. Camels were the pack animals, so fo one of them to get through, they frequently had to be unloaded, and it was an arduous process. So the analogy is to say that the rich can get into heaven, they just have to not laden themselves with "baggage", so to speak. The rich in Jesus's say were mostly the priests and scribes, who were not good or nice people, therefore they had a lot of spiritual baggage they'd need to take care of first.
  • Reply 39 of 111
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Geekmee View Post





    Let's be clear here... I'm no Bible scholar, but I was awake during this Bible lesson... This quote was given as analogy to a man who THOUGHT his money could buy his way into Heaven.



    I see no moral relevance in the quote to Tim Cook.



    What is interesting is that the Bible quote makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Why? Because it is a mistake. The 'so called' perfect manuscript has several typos you know. What does a camel have to do with a needle? Well nothing really. See, in this verse, the word "camel" is actually supposed to be "rope". Then, the sentence makes sense because a rope is just a really fat thread, right? Why did this mistake happen? Because at that time it was common to use camel hair to make ropes and when it was translated the scribe made a mistake, but no one wants to change it because it is the Word of God.

  • Reply 40 of 111
    SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 33,407member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mstone View Post

     



    What is interesting is that the Bible quote makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Why? Because it is a mistake. The 'so called' perfect manuscript has several typos you know. What does a camel have to do with a needle? Well nothing really. See, in this verse, the word "camel" is actually supposed to be "rope". Then, the sentence makes sense because a rope is just a really fat thread, right? Why did this mistake happen? Because at that time it was common to use camel hair to make ropes and when it was translated the scribe made a mistake, but no one wants to change it because it is the Word of God.




    Interesting. I was not aware of that particular mistranslation.

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