Cook says discriminatory 'religious freedom' laws are dangerous, calls for action

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  • Reply 361 of 492
    msantti wrote: »
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    How can socialism and capitalism both be believed in at the same time?

    How can fascism and democracy be believed at the same time?
  • Reply 362 of 492

    BELL CURVE!

    It's ok that you score so low on the Bell curve. It doesn't mean that you're stupid, just uneducated. You don't have to hate minorities, women, and other folks just because they are smarter than you.
  • Reply 363 of 492
    Cook would tell Quakers that they need to pick up an M-16 and go and kill people, denying their historical rights around the world , their right to conscientious objection.

    The idea of religion based conscientious objection has existed since the incorporation of forced military service but was not officially recognized until the twentieth century, when it was gradually recognized as a fundamental <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_right" style="background-image:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);" target="_blank" title="Human right">human right</a>
     as a part of the freedom of conscience.

    ?Sorry Tim, a lot of people love you but we don't sanction that you can every be 'married' since man on man, man on boy, men on dogs, one man and 10 women, are just something that a lot of us do not feel is normal human behavior, and as such, should not be encouraged, read your bible, and accept the wisdom therein. Tim, do you believe the idea that just because you 'love' ten people you could marry all of them?

    When you are forced to do something against your <span style="line-height:22.399999618530273px;">beliefs you will understand.  Popular opinion, and laws do not make something morally correct, just ask the Jews in Nazi Germany.</span>

    You might also ask the Jews in Nazi Germany whether it was the folks who preached inclusion and tolerance (the liberals) or the folks who preached hate and intolerance(the conservative Nazis) who caused the Holocaust. Oh, while you're at it, ask the gay Germans and black Germans as well.
  • Reply 364 of 492
    dasanman69 wrote: »
    A wedding cake would condone sodomy.

    And heterosexuals don't ever practice sodomy? Lesbians don't normally practice it, and 2 gay men don't necessarily have to.

    I was being explicit. Man lying with man will do; ditto woman.
  • Reply 365 of 492
    waterrocketswaterrockets Posts: 1,231member
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    I was being explicit. Man lying with man will do; ditto woman.

     

    Is there something I missed in RE that says that you can't have two action figures representing the same gender stand atop a cake in close proximity to one another?

     

    If you let a couple hundred children examine such a cake, and describe it, how many would make the connection that it condones sodomy? It's just a celebration of a union.

  • Reply 366 of 492
    muppetrymuppetry Posts: 3,331member
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    Originally Posted by mstone View Post

     

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    http://forums.appleinsider.com/t/185450/apples-tim-cook-plans-to-give-away-all-of-his-money/40#post_2699793

     

    Then make some suggestions for a name for it. 

     

    'Ass Blocker' was my first choice.




    Very neat. I currently only need it for one ass (although this thread seems to be spawning a number of potential additions), but worth it just for that.

  • Reply 367 of 492
    muppetrymuppetry Posts: 3,331member
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    I was being explicit. Man lying with man will do; ditto woman.

     

    Is there something I missed in RE that says that you can't have two action figures representing the same gender stand atop a cake in close proximity to one another?

     

    If you let a couple hundred children examine such a cake, and describe it, how many would make the connection that it condones sodomy? It's just a celebration of a union.




    But think of the horrible mental images that would torture you and those poor children for the rest of your lives.

  • Reply 368 of 492
    Like I said, way to not acknowledge it... just like the media.

    I see you used the classic defense of being/acting ignorant by confusing intelligence with education in order to lessen the BELL CURVE FACT. A dolphin has a high IQ (for an animal), but zero education. This also applies to people, both individually and as groups.

    A Bell Curve is a mathematical curve used for grading and other functions, it has nothing to do with race at all.

    You must be referring to a book entitled The Bell Curve: Intelligence and Class Structure in American Life by Herrnstein and Murray. In this controversial book, the authors allege that IQ differences between races have a genetic component. They are not the first to allege this "fact" (as you call it)- Hitler made a similar argument in his books for the genetic superiority of the Aryan race. Obviously, however, these sorts of arguments are deeply flawed and usually are used as some quasi-scientific cover to justify racism. This seems to be the reason that you gravitate to this book.

    Here's what economist Thomas Sowell said of the parts of the book relating to race and IQ:

    "When European immigrant groups in the United States scored below the national average on mental tests, they scored lowest on the abstract parts of those tests. So did white mountaineer children in the United States tested back in the early 1930s...Strangely, Herrnstein and Murray refer to "folklore" that "Jews and other immigrant groups were thought to be below average in intelligence." It was neither folklore nor anything as subjective as thoughts. It was based on hard data, as hard as any data in The Bell Curve. These groups repeatedly tested below average on the mental tests of the World War I era, both in the army and in civilian life. For Jews, it is clear that later tests showed radically different results—during an era when there was very little intermarriage to change the genetic makeup of American Jews."

    Basically, if you believe that racial minorities in the US are somehow lower on the Bell Curve for IQ, you would also have to accept that German Jews had inferior intelligence to German Aryans. So, you would also enjoy Mein Kaump!

    BTW, there have been numerous studies now about how the extremely wealthy don't work as hard and are much less generous than the working class. So, on your Bell Curve, the wealthy would rank low in terms of work ethic and generosity. Maybe this is also genetic, by your own standards?
  • Reply 369 of 492
    aaronjaaronj Posts: 1,595member
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    But think of the horrible mental images that would torture you and those poor children for the rest of your lives.




    The Justice League?  The Avengers?

  • Reply 370 of 492
    stourquestourque Posts: 360member
    Like I said, way to not acknowledge it... just like the media.

    I see you used the classic defense of being/acting ignorant by confusing intelligence with education in order to lessen the BELL CURVE FACT. A dolphin has a high IQ (for an animal), but zero education. This also applies to people, both individually and as groups.

    Ok, so you're on the low end of the IQ scale AND you're uneducated.
  • Reply 371 of 492
    atlappleatlapple Posts: 496member
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    What I find interesting is how the Apple demographic has changed over the years. In the beginning it was slanted heavily toward the liberal mindset, We were mostly graphic artists, scientists, teachers and hippies. Now there is a new more radical conservative movement, unless all the hippies are switching sides. They say people tend to become more conservative as they age, but I don't think the radical vocal conservatives here are the old guard. This seems to be a new younger angry delegation of conservatives. Honestly, I don't understand it at all.




    I believe things have changed because everyone owns an Apple product. Use to be Apple had about 2-3 percent of the "PC" market and the iPod sales. Artists and students were really the only ones that owned an Apple product now that Apple is selling massive amounts of iPhones, iPads and Macs the demographic has shifted dramatically. 

     

    I also believe society changes when it comes to for a lack of a better word "morals". George Bush was able to run on bringing morals and ethics back to the country after all the Bill Clinton scandals. He won so clearly there was a change and his approach worked. Obama came in really strong but then conservatives kicked his ass in 2010 and even more so in 2014 in the midterm elections. Now everyone that I believe is going to run on the Republican ticket are really going to push illegal immigration, the war on terror and religious freedom. 

     

    In general I think conservatives are tired of everyone being offended about everything. We now have 31 Republican governors and conservative state legislatures not to mention a massive majority in the House of Representatives and a majority in the Senate. Clearly there is a conservative push or those people wouldn't be getting elected in massive numbers. 

     

    If you looks at that map it's pretty clear Tim Cook can pen an editorial until his arm falls off and these laws for now are going to stay in place. The threat for a boycott is a joke because they never ever work. 

     

    My main point in the thread yesterday before things got crazy, Tim Cook needs to be careful because at the very least 50% of the people buying Apple products are conservatives. He's going to make the news again comparing this law to the old Jim Crow laws. He's really starting to push this issue and if it starts to hit back Apple could suffer. He could also be tagged a hypocrite when he doesn't seem to have a problem with how people are treated in China. 

     

    This is a good example of bad press and it's from the freaking Huffington Post which is about as liberal as someone can get.

     

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/carl-gibson/how-the-iphone_b_5800262.html

     

    It's my opinion and only my opinion that Tim Cook either needs to run Apple and STFU or step down and run for office. Or start his own activist group. 

  • Reply 372 of 492
    dunksdunks Posts: 1,254member
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    A few religious people thinking their personal lifestyles should be given the favoritism to trample on others even stronger humanitarian values is as selfish and draconian as can be.

     

    I fixed that for you.

  • Reply 373 of 492
    aaronjaaronj Posts: 1,595member
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    But think of the horrible mental images that would torture you and those poor children for the rest of your lives.




    The Justice League?  The Avengers?

     

    Oh, and for any of you people (almost all of whom I have on block by now) who were going on and on and on about how Tim's taking a stance would hurt the stock ...

     

    MONDAY:  $126.37  +$3.12  +2.53%

     

    I will be updating this chart each day for as long as this thread exists.

     

    EDIT:  Decided the AAPL info should be in bold each day.

  • Reply 374 of 492
    muppetrymuppetry Posts: 3,331member
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    In general I think conservatives are tired of everyone being offended about everything.

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    It's certainly a good thing that conservatives are not offended by gay marriage. That would really create problems.

  • Reply 375 of 492
    atlappleatlapple Posts: 496member
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    The Justice League?  The Avengers?




    Dude take a look at that map. You and Tim Cook appear to be the only ones that haven't figured out you lost this battle a long time ago. In 2010 and even more so 2014 there was a massive conservative wave not only at the federal level but the state level 31 states having a Republican governor. 

     

    The gay population isn't big enough to swing an election. Liberals cater to hispanics, blacks and unions they don't ever feel the need to truly help gay right it's an after though for even liberals. They also run on women rights never gay rights. 

  • Reply 376 of 492
    dunksdunks Posts: 1,254member

    How anyone can think that "religious freedom" extends to imposing their beliefs onto others is beyond me.

     

    If someone has a religious objection to gay relationships the appropriate outcome is don't have one. Period. It doesn't give them special powers to discriminate against someone who might use their business (yes even a bed and breakfast) in the same way that my personal/religious objection to firearms doesn't strip other people of their 4th amendments rights.

     

    End of story.

  • Reply 377 of 492
    dunksdunks Posts: 1,254member

    Tim just sold me an Apple Watch with his awesomeness.

  • Reply 378 of 492
    atlappleatlapple Posts: 496member
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    It's certainly a good thing that conservatives are not offended by gay marriage. That would really create problems.




    There are two types of conservatives fiscal and social. Someone like Rick Santorum and Mike Huckabee run on social issues which is why they don't stand a chance of getting elected. The county is truly concerned about fiscal issues, the safety of the country, healthcare and education. Gay rights issues never poll high for conservative voters. 

     

    When the country has things like 47 million on food stamps, ISIS, the lowest job participation rate in 35 years, Obamacare issues, immigration issues, conservative voters aren't freaking out over gay rights. 

  • Reply 379 of 492
    aaronjaaronj Posts: 1,595member
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    Tim just sold me an Apple Watch with his awesomeness.




    I hate you!

     

    :)

  • Reply 380 of 492
    splifsplif Posts: 603member
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    Originally Posted by msantti View Post



    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/03/apple_ceos_double_standards_on_religious_freedom_restoration_act.html



    Pro China



    Anti Indiana



    I like Tim Cook but as with all liberals, they always have to talk talk talk.



    Don't know when to shut up.



    There are also Republicans that oppose this law. 

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