If you want to spend $300 on a one use device that you would never wear other than when your exercising. then get the forerunner. If you want to do more, then get the apple watch
I think that's a valid point and the Garmin product is actually $450 but it does what it does REALLY well for someone who is into fitness and generally that consumer isn't trying to buy a catch all device. It's like your running shorts... you don't where them to the office.
Apple has been marketing the hell out of the heart rate monitor (in particular), sending your heartbeat to loved ones, all manner of fitness tracking, special labs built just for the fitness capabilities of the watch, even featuring Christy Turlington with a fitness oriented blog.
As far as I know, Apple has't put a disclaimer on using any of those much touted features. So I don't know where you get that these features are not meant to be used for workouts so long. Friends of mine were very excited about using the heart rate monitor for constant monitoring throughout the day, only to find it can't really be used that way due to the battery constraints.
So yes, this is a problem. People work out routinely for two hours and longer, especially serious athletes, and Apple marketed this watch and its features to them.
Umm No its not a problem, for most people including countless reviewers (consumer reports, WSJ etc) who actually took the time to really test the device and are not having battery "issues" while working out even for hours. Love the HealthTrackingBatteryGate crazies
I think that's a valid point and the Garmin product is actually $450 but it does what it does REALLY well for someone who is into fitness and generally that consumer isn't trying to buy a catch all device. It's like your running shorts... you don't where them to the office.
True, but running shorts don't cost 450. also Im waiting for the Garmin watch to bring up a topo map when im in the middle of no where (of course I still need my iPhone in my pack for this to work, so Garmin has that)
By that notion though, there is no reason to buy the Apple watch at all because it's cheaper to just take your phone out of your pocket. Neither of these products are for the frugal... these are luxury items.
This might be the buggiest hardware product Apple has ever launched. It should have a beta tag slapped on it. All I hear about this thing are complaints. And every time I run into a person wearing one in the wild, their wrist spin never lights up the screen. The wheels are coming off in Cupertino.
" And every time I run into a person wearing one in the wild, their wrist spin never lights up the screen. "
I have yet to "run into" a single person wearing an Apple Watch "in the wild", as is the case for most people I assume. Yet, it just so happens that you have repeatedly not only ran into many people wearing an Apple Watch, but somehow they've also all demonstrated the wrist spin to you, and - of course- the spin failed? The chances of that horse-shit story being true are pretty much nil. You made it up because it was a complained mentioned in one or two reviews.
To explain, the battery life is great. But the app randomly stops recording the 'workout' - so you can't rely on having a workout logged. With my garmin, once I've pressed 'start', I have no doubts that it will be still logging the event hours later. Hit stop, sync watch, garmin talks to strava, have a look at my rubbish strava efforts.
Maybe a future version will have a kinetic energy recovery system of some sort. May as well harvest some of the energy from the motion involved with working out.
They better fix this fast. I am getting the Sport model specifically for cycling, and using it in conjunction with the Strava app.
Two "killer apps" for me: 1) getting notifications while cycling, such that I don't have to stop the bike and get my phone out; 2) seeing my Strava stats while on the bike, again, without the need to stop and get my phone out.
The Apple Watch will fail (for me) if its power capabilities fall short in this respect.
I suggest you check out Mapmyride. It tracks your ride (uses GPS to map it and provide distance and elevation change) and gives you split information (you set the frequency) through the headphones. I never feel the need to take my phone out during a ride. Although I also have a small speedometer/computer on my handlebars. If wearing headphones during a ride isn't your thing this might not work for you.
It's called the vocal minority. Complainers want to be heard.
Still I wonder if I can use "trying to save battery on my watch" as an excuse to not work out. I believe the battery life on the watch is fine for most users.
If you are serious about the fitness side and want ample battery life this is a better product. If you want to draw emoticons with an over-emotionalized product and track where your dominoes pizza is then maybe the Apple watch.
you are making the common mistake of comparing a generalist product to a specialized product. your garmin is a specialized product that does one thing (and only thing) well. it cannot do any of the other things that the apple watch does. for most people most of the time, the generalist features match the desired use cases.
me, i wanna be able to stream BT music, make AP payments, get basic activity tracking during my day, get reminders to move, and quickly access the notifications i care about. and send dopey drawings to my SO.
You're kidding right? 1/2 their presentation was about fitness. The other half was drawing hearts and sushi on a postage size screen which seemed pretty stupid.
This comes as a complete SHOCK said nobody ever. It was apparent from the get go that the watch couldn't make it more a couple hours. I was skeptical when Christie Turlington ran a half-marathon with it vs. a marathon. I can guarantee you the watch can't do a marathon... the phone can barely do a marathon just tracking location through Nike app and playing music. Source: Tried it.
Right... Despite every one else saying different here. ..
It can do a marathon if you do it less than 4h for sure if its charged before hand and its a 42mm (which you would expect) even if it recording heartbeats (maybe it even gets to 5h, if it was 100% when you started).
If you, don't record the heartbeat, you can for sure get to 10h... (not that you'd want to run 10h, unless doing a ultramarathon).
So yes, this is a problem. People work out routinely for two hours and longer, especially serious athletes, and Apple marketed this watch and its features to them.
what on earth? there is no "this".
and no, i dont think it's marketed to serious athletes (pros). i think its marketed to dopes like us who are casual athletes at best.
The Watch probably won't become the product that Apple intended until the 3rd or 4th iteration just like the iPhone and iPads. Give them time.
er, no - the iphone and ipad (and ipod) were immediate hits, because they were great at what they did. from day 1. they just got even better over time... im sure this will be no different.
To explain, the battery life is great. But the app randomly stops recording the 'workout' - so you can't rely on having a workout logged. With my garmin, once I've pressed 'start', I have no doubts that it will be still logging the event hours later. Hit stop, sync watch, garmin talks to strava, have a look at my rubbish strava efforts.
never happened to me. so to state that as fact is bogus.
I have yet to "run into" a single person wearing an Apple Watch "in the wild", as is the case for most people I assume. Yet, it just so happens that you, a troll, have repeatedly not only ran into many people wearing an Apple Watch, but somehow they've also all demonstrated the wrist spin to you, and - of course- the spin failed? The chances of that horse-shit story being true are pretty much nil. You made it up because it was a complained mentioned in one or two reviews. Whats up with trolls like you and the incessant need to lie because of your agenda?
I wonder if there has ever been a study on "the sociopathic nature of internet trolls who constantly post & complain on forums about companies they hate, who make products they hate, lead by people they hate, and used by people they hate". Seriously, when you think about it, these people must be really messed up.
They better fix this fast. I am getting the Sport model specifically for cycling, and using it in conjunction with the Strava app.
Two "killer apps" for me: 1) getting notifications while cycling, such that I don't have to stop the bike and get my phone out; 2) seeing my Strava stats while on the bike, again, without the need to stop and get my phone out.
The Apple Watch will fail (for me) if its power capabilities fall short in this respect.
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If you want to spend $300 on a one use device that you would never wear other than when your exercising. then get the forerunner. If you want to do more, then get the apple watch
I think that's a valid point and the Garmin product is actually $450 but it does what it does REALLY well for someone who is into fitness and generally that consumer isn't trying to buy a catch all device. It's like your running shorts... you don't where them to the office.
Apple has been marketing the hell out of the heart rate monitor (in particular), sending your heartbeat to loved ones, all manner of fitness tracking, special labs built just for the fitness capabilities of the watch, even featuring Christy Turlington with a fitness oriented blog.
As far as I know, Apple has't put a disclaimer on using any of those much touted features. So I don't know where you get that these features are not meant to be used for workouts so long. Friends of mine were very excited about using the heart rate monitor for constant monitoring throughout the day, only to find it can't really be used that way due to the battery constraints.
So yes, this is a problem. People work out routinely for two hours and longer, especially serious athletes, and Apple marketed this watch and its features to them.
Umm No its not a problem, for most people including countless reviewers (consumer reports, WSJ etc) who actually took the time to really test the device and are not having battery "issues" while working out even for hours. Love the HealthTrackingBatteryGate crazies
I think that's a valid point and the Garmin product is actually $450 but it does what it does REALLY well for someone who is into fitness and generally that consumer isn't trying to buy a catch all device. It's like your running shorts... you don't where them to the office.
True, but running shorts don't cost 450. also Im waiting for the Garmin watch to bring up a topo map when im in the middle of no where (of course I still need my iPhone in my pack for this to work, so Garmin has that)
True, but running shorts don't cost 450
By that notion though, there is no reason to buy the Apple watch at all because it's cheaper to just take your phone out of your pocket. Neither of these products are for the frugal... these are luxury items.
This might be the buggiest hardware product Apple has ever launched. It should have a beta tag slapped on it. All I hear about this thing are complaints. And every time I run into a person wearing one in the wild, their wrist spin never lights up the screen. The wheels are coming off in Cupertino.
" And every time I run into a person wearing one in the wild, their wrist spin never lights up the screen. "
I have yet to "run into" a single person wearing an Apple Watch "in the wild", as is the case for most people I assume. Yet, it just so happens that you have repeatedly not only ran into many people wearing an Apple Watch, but somehow they've also all demonstrated the wrist spin to you, and - of course- the spin failed? The chances of that horse-shit story being true are pretty much nil. You made it up because it was a complained mentioned in one or two reviews.
The Watch probably won't become the product that Apple intended until the 3rd or 4th iteration just like the iPhone and iPads. Give them time.
To explain, the battery life is great. But the app randomly stops recording the 'workout' - so you can't rely on having a workout logged. With my garmin, once I've pressed 'start', I have no doubts that it will be still logging the event hours later. Hit stop, sync watch, garmin talks to strava, have a look at my rubbish strava efforts.
They better fix this fast. I am getting the Sport model specifically for cycling, and using it in conjunction with the Strava app.
Two "killer apps" for me: 1) getting notifications while cycling, such that I don't have to stop the bike and get my phone out; 2) seeing my Strava stats while on the bike, again, without the need to stop and get my phone out.
The Apple Watch will fail (for me) if its power capabilities fall short in this respect.
I suggest you check out Mapmyride. It tracks your ride (uses GPS to map it and provide distance and elevation change) and gives you split information (you set the frequency) through the headphones. I never feel the need to take my phone out during a ride. Although I also have a small speedometer/computer on my handlebars. If wearing headphones during a ride isn't your thing this might not work for you.
Still I wonder if I can use "trying to save battery on my watch" as an excuse to not work out. I believe the battery life on the watch is fine for most users.
you are making the common mistake of comparing a generalist product to a specialized product. your garmin is a specialized product that does one thing (and only thing) well. it cannot do any of the other things that the apple watch does. for most people most of the time, the generalist features match the desired use cases.
me, i wanna be able to stream BT music, make AP payments, get basic activity tracking during my day, get reminders to move, and quickly access the notifications i care about. and send dopey drawings to my SO.
get it? let that sink in.
...to you. you forgot that part.
This comes as a complete SHOCK said nobody ever. It was apparent from the get go that the watch couldn't make it more a couple hours. I was skeptical when Christie Turlington ran a half-marathon with it vs. a marathon. I can guarantee you the watch can't do a marathon... the phone can barely do a marathon just tracking location through Nike app and playing music. Source: Tried it.
Right... Despite every one else saying different here. ..
It can do a marathon if you do it less than 4h for sure if its charged before hand and its a 42mm (which you would expect) even if it recording heartbeats (maybe it even gets to 5h, if it was 100% when you started).
If you, don't record the heartbeat, you can for sure get to 10h... (not that you'd want to run 10h, unless doing a ultramarathon).
what on earth? there is no "this".
and no, i dont think it's marketed to serious athletes (pros). i think its marketed to dopes like us who are casual athletes at best.
er, no - the iphone and ipad (and ipod) were immediate hits, because they were great at what they did. from day 1. they just got even better over time... im sure this will be no different.
never happened to me. so to state that as fact is bogus.
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I have yet to "run into" a single person wearing an Apple Watch "in the wild", as is the case for most people I assume. Yet, it just so happens that you, a troll, have repeatedly not only ran into many people wearing an Apple Watch, but somehow they've also all demonstrated the wrist spin to you, and - of course- the spin failed? The chances of that horse-shit story being true are pretty much nil. You made it up because it was a complained mentioned in one or two reviews. Whats up with trolls like you and the incessant need to lie because of your agenda?
I wonder if there has ever been a study on "the sociopathic nature of internet trolls who constantly post & complain on forums about companies they hate, who make products they hate, lead by people they hate, and used by people they hate". Seriously, when you think about it, these people must be really messed up.
They better fix this fast. I am getting the Sport model specifically for cycling, and using it in conjunction with the Strava app.
Two "killer apps" for me: 1) getting notifications while cycling, such that I don't have to stop the bike and get my phone out; 2) seeing my Strava stats while on the bike, again, without the need to stop and get my phone out.
The Apple Watch will fail (for me) if its power capabilities fall short in this respect.
Why not use a handlebar mount to keep your phone at your fingertips? E.g. http://www.rokform.com/v3-bike-mount/