you seem confused. as i said, im not here to call you a liar. only to correct your notion that because something happened to you, it makes it a general and known problem w/ the app. you stated as fact that Workouts cuts workouts short. it doesnt. it happened to you, but nobody here has heard of it happening.
i thought you had some Verge article about this well-known fault of the AW? instead i get a discussion thread w/ a handful of people. hardly a fraction in the millions sample size.
Well, I'm not entirely disagreeing with you. However, you need to include price. £350 for the Watch, £80 for a forerunner 10 (which has GPS built in). I think a lot of runners would be better off with the Garmin. For me, as an Apple fan and iPhone user, I'm happy with my Watch. But I'm currently running with a Garmin 310x and the Watch!
repeat after me: AW is a generalist device. garmin run trackers are specialist devices. generalist devices do many things, but specialist devices do one thing really well. for most people, most of the time, the generalist device is fine. for those who need the niche, the specialist device is available.
Are you sure most runners want to carry an iPhone with them on every run?
we dont. we're training the AW using the iphone's GPS, after which you can leave it at home and it will calculate your distance based on gait and past distance, to a degree that is fine for most people. we dont need to see maps of which blocks we ran on.
Everyone just be quiet about what makes a serious athlete... it's all relative/subjective.
I agree with that mostly. But I can't help but think Mr. Me is a little off by claiming that a person that runs a marathon isn't a serious athlete. That is 26 miles / 42 kms of running. It takes months of training for most to do that, unless endowed with some serious athletic DNA.
To someone else's point, what does he think it is? A professional athlete? On an Olympic team? There is subjective, and their is looney-land.
you seem confused. as i said, im not here to call you a liar. only to correct your notion that because something happened to you, it makes it a general and known problem w/ the app. you stated as fact that Workouts cuts workouts short. it doesnt. it happened to you, but nobody here has heard of it happening.
i thought you had some Verge article about this well-known fault of the AW? instead i get a discussion thread w/ a handful of people. hardly a fraction in the millions sample size.
I didn't mention verge in relation to this. You asked for a link because my claim is bogus on it's own (which of course it isn't) - I found a link of people discussing the same issue. It's not enough for you. What exactly do you want? Should I make documentary with interviews and such? I guess you're just one of those people who has to be right about everything, even when you're trying to have an argument with someone who has very similar views.
repeat after me: AW is a generalist device. garmin run trackers are specialist devices. generalist devices do many things, but specialist devices do one thing really well. for most people, most of the time, the generalist device is fine. for those who need the niche, the specialist device is available.
Repeat after me: I am an argumentative and rude individual who enjoys escalating polite discussions into arguments, patronising people and displaying arrogance at every turn.
By the way, most of my contemporaries have a garmin and a fashion watch for going out. Or a Fenix that does both. There's lots of options out there that all have their merits.
The Apple Watch is not a stand alone device... It needs an iPhone to do a lot of the primary functions, not all but the main ones. ... It is a companion piece for the iPhone. I am sick of this Apple Watch hype. Guys and Gals, it is just a gimmick like other Apple gimmicks. The watch should have been a stand alone product but it is not, so be it. It could have been much simpler than what it is, but it is not. Why must you have an iPhone in order to use this watch... To me this is silly and really induces laziness. That iPhone is so heavy to lift... A simple turn of the wrist will suffice. Great for many. Just stop complaining about it and think about how silly this Apple Watch really is.
Lots in your post there. Everyone has their opinion, and you clearly don't consider the watch a good device, or one you would own, so that is that. I am sure we won't see you on any other AW story threads as you clearly have no time for it.
Just to touch on a theme you hit a few times - that the AW is not a standalone device, but it should be. My view is the exact opposite. The initial smart watches about 1.5 yrs ago (e.g. first Galaxy Gear) were indeed that - shrunken down phones - even included a camera! The information was that it didn't sell well, and we see that Android Wear has taken a similar "companion" approach. If you think about it, having a watch as a standalone device (which has Internet connectivity) requires its own cellular service, number, etc. It would have lower battery life and higher costs for the user. Some might want that, but there will be many more that already have a phone and would prefer an extension of that device's connectivity, vs. a new cellular service. So in that sense, it is about hitting the broadest market.
I do agree with those that are critical of the lack of GPS on the AW. That is the one piece of HW I would say is lacking for the device to be complete, as it would be very beneficial to the activity and fitness apps. Hopefully we see that in generation 2.
Um anyone running a marathon or half marathon is a serious athlete. No one wakes up one day and decides to run a marathon after breakfast.
You are the one who declared that running in a marathon or half-marathon makes one a serious athlete. Therefore, you should define your terms. Are there any other sports that automatically qualify the participant as a serious athlete.
I define as serious athlete as one who competes in his or her sport. There are many things to compete for, not just first place. However, the marathon and half-marathon are track and field events that are replete with participants who are there for personal the personal satisfaction of it all. Personal satisfaction is a laudable goal but it is not an athletic goal.
You are the one who declared that running in a marathon or half-marathon makes one a serious athlete. Therefore, you should define your terms. Are there any other sports that automatically qualify the participant as a serious athlete.
I define as serious athlete as one who competes in his or her sport. There are many things to compete for, not just first place. However, the marathon and half-marathon are track and field events that are replete with participants who are there for personal the personal satisfaction of it all. Personal satisfaction is a laudable goal but it is not an athletic goal.
You just said " There are many things to compete for, not just first place." They are competing against themselves for personal best times. Hence they are athletes. No one runs 13 or 26 miles just for the hell of it. It takes months of training. And that makes them serious athletes.
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you seem confused. as i said, im not here to call you a liar. only to correct your notion that because something happened to you, it makes it a general and known problem w/ the app. you stated as fact that Workouts cuts workouts short. it doesnt. it happened to you, but nobody here has heard of it happening.
i thought you had some Verge article about this well-known fault of the AW? instead i get a discussion thread w/ a handful of people. hardly a fraction in the millions sample size.
repeat after me: AW is a generalist device. garmin run trackers are specialist devices. generalist devices do many things, but specialist devices do one thing really well. for most people, most of the time, the generalist device is fine. for those who need the niche, the specialist device is available.
we dont. we're training the AW using the iphone's GPS, after which you can leave it at home and it will calculate your distance based on gait and past distance, to a degree that is fine for most people. we dont need to see maps of which blocks we ran on.
Everyone just be quiet about what makes a serious athlete... it's all relative/subjective.
I agree with that mostly. But I can't help but think Mr. Me is a little off by claiming that a person that runs a marathon isn't a serious athlete. That is 26 miles / 42 kms of running. It takes months of training for most to do that, unless endowed with some serious athletic DNA.
To someone else's point, what does he think it is? A professional athlete? On an Olympic team? There is subjective, and their is looney-land.
you seem confused. as i said, im not here to call you a liar. only to correct your notion that because something happened to you, it makes it a general and known problem w/ the app. you stated as fact that Workouts cuts workouts short. it doesnt. it happened to you, but nobody here has heard of it happening.
i thought you had some Verge article about this well-known fault of the AW? instead i get a discussion thread w/ a handful of people. hardly a fraction in the millions sample size.
I didn't mention verge in relation to this. You asked for a link because my claim is bogus on it's own (which of course it isn't) - I found a link of people discussing the same issue. It's not enough for you. What exactly do you want? Should I make documentary with interviews and such? I guess you're just one of those people who has to be right about everything, even when you're trying to have an argument with someone who has very similar views.
repeat after me: AW is a generalist device. garmin run trackers are specialist devices. generalist devices do many things, but specialist devices do one thing really well. for most people, most of the time, the generalist device is fine. for those who need the niche, the specialist device is available.
Repeat after me: I am an argumentative and rude individual who enjoys escalating polite discussions into arguments, patronising people and displaying arrogance at every turn.
By the way, most of my contemporaries have a garmin and a fashion watch for going out. Or a Fenix that does both. There's lots of options out there that all have their merits.
The Apple Watch is not a stand alone device... It needs an iPhone to do a lot of the primary functions, not all but the main ones. ... It is a companion piece for the iPhone. I am sick of this Apple Watch hype. Guys and Gals, it is just a gimmick like other Apple gimmicks. The watch should have been a stand alone product but it is not, so be it. It could have been much simpler than what it is, but it is not. Why must you have an iPhone in order to use this watch... To me this is silly and really induces laziness. That iPhone is so heavy to lift... A simple turn of the wrist will suffice. Great for many. Just stop complaining about it and think about how silly this Apple Watch really is.
Lots in your post there. Everyone has their opinion, and you clearly don't consider the watch a good device, or one you would own, so that is that. I am sure we won't see you on any other AW story threads as you clearly have no time for it.
Just to touch on a theme you hit a few times - that the AW is not a standalone device, but it should be. My view is the exact opposite. The initial smart watches about 1.5 yrs ago (e.g. first Galaxy Gear) were indeed that - shrunken down phones - even included a camera! The information was that it didn't sell well, and we see that Android Wear has taken a similar "companion" approach. If you think about it, having a watch as a standalone device (which has Internet connectivity) requires its own cellular service, number, etc. It would have lower battery life and higher costs for the user. Some might want that, but there will be many more that already have a phone and would prefer an extension of that device's connectivity, vs. a new cellular service. So in that sense, it is about hitting the broadest market.
I do agree with those that are critical of the lack of GPS on the AW. That is the one piece of HW I would say is lacking for the device to be complete, as it would be very beneficial to the activity and fitness apps. Hopefully we see that in generation 2.
I define as serious athlete as one who competes in his or her sport. There are many things to compete for, not just first place. However, the marathon and half-marathon are track and field events that are replete with participants who are there for personal the personal satisfaction of it all. Personal satisfaction is a laudable goal but it is not an athletic goal.
You just said " There are many things to compete for, not just first place." They are competing against themselves for personal best times. Hence they are athletes. No one runs 13 or 26 miles just for the hell of it. It takes months of training. And that makes them serious athletes.
You keep asserting this, but you have no evidence to support your assertion.
Are you serious?
Google "how to run a marathon" and I guarantee you step 1 is not "wake up, then start running 26 miles. "
Are you planning on riding for 6.5 hours?
Many people do, especially those who don't sit in front of a screen all day long.