I don't know. Amending the Constitution sounds like a treasonous act by those damn progressive liberals, to me. If it wasn't good enough for my forefathers then it isn't good enough for me. Bill of Rights, more like Bill of Leftist Agendas¡
I don't know. Amending the Constitution sounds like a treasonous act by those damn progressive liberals, to me. If it wasn't good enough for my forefathers then it isn't good enough for me. Bill of Rights, more like Bill of Leftist Agendas¡
"Leftists" in 1787/1791 would be somewhere to the right of the Tea Party today. " src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />
Just because Comrade Roberts says the bill is legal, doesn't make it so. The bill is unconstitutional in a number of ways.
You are going to have to actually read the constitution. You people are always running your mouth about documents you havent even read.
Just because you dont agree with a law doesnt mean its unconstitutional. John Roberts has already stated this in a previous Obamacare challenge. I know youre invested in people not getting access to healtcare. Healthcare is a business and as such it's within Congress'right to regulate it like it does all other businesses.
1) The Constitution isn't a Prego spaghetti sauce so not everything is going to be in there.
2) So you disagree with the Amendments to the Constitution since they weren't originally in there or would you simply like these government bodies that have made civilization better to simply be added to it?
I don't agree with every amendment, but those that exist were amended using the correct political process. The ACA was an end-run because there was not enough support to amend national healthcare to the Constitution.
Its covered in the commerce clause and by default everyone is in the healthcare market place. Sorry. If you run a business congress can regulate it.
That's not what the Commerce Clause is about. It's about INTERSTATE commerce, trade with foreign countries and (lest we forget) with the Indian tribes.
I don't agree with every amendment, but those that exist were amended using the correct political process. The ACA was an end-run because there was not enough support to amend national healthcare to the Constitution.
Healthcare didnt need an ammendment because businesses are already covered under the purview of Congress. Im sorry your elementary school teacher failed.
I don't know. Amending the Constitution sounds like a treasonous act by those damn progressive liberals, to me. If it wasn't good enough for my forefathers then it isn't good enough for me. Bill of Rights, more like Bill of Leftist Agendas¡
No, amending the Constitution is deliberately difficult for a reason. Remember, the Constitution is an agreement among the states, the Republic. America didn't want to make the same historical mistakes as have always been made under kings and dictators.
I can't believe we have so many hateful people in the Apple fan base now. My how things have changed from the old days of the desktop publishing an artistic community.
I guess I'm just a liberal, at least according to the Merriam-Webster definition.
Hatefull and angry. Angry and religious. Right wing and intransigent. Homophobic and cold hearted. Vitriolic and narcissistic.
As Apple has become very mainstream over the years the fan base has inevitably changed in nature. Certainly if these forums are a guide the intellectually curious and liberal thinkers (all requisite for creative thinking), are in the minority. Anonymous forums clearly draws out the narcissism in people. It is a pity. Occasionally there are good threads here imo, where differences are forgotten and the subject matter rules. Very refreshing when that happens.
You are going to have to actually read the constitution. You people are always running your mouth about documents you havent even read.
Just because you dont agree with a law doesnt mean its unconstitutional. John Roberts has already stated this in a previous Obamacare challenge. I know youre invested in people not getting access to healtcare. Healthcare is a business and as such it's within Congress'right to regulate it like it does all other businesses.
And will a future president under a Republican Congress be right when they defund it?
That's not what the Commerce Clause is about. It's about INTERSTATE commerce, trade with foreign countries and (lest we forget) with the Indian tribes.
"To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes"
It's explicit. Again go back and read the constitution.
Hatefull and angry. Angry and religious. Right wing and intransigent. Homophobic and cold hearted. Vitriolic and narcissistic.
As Apple has become very mainstream over the years the fan base has inevitably changed in nature. Certainly if these forums are a guide the intellectually curious and liberal thinkers (all requisite for creative thinking), are in the minority. Anonymous forums clearly draws out the narcissism in people. It is a pity. Occasionally there are good threads here imo, where differences are forgotten and the subject matter rules. Very refreshing when that happens.
it actually creates the illusion of anonymity. You arent actually anonymous. Additionally, its the reason so many have started using facebook, twitter as logins. It has a self policing effect to some extent when its connected to your online profile.
The previous law suit against Obamacare and scotus decision even states that the mandate presupposes a business transaction and the supreme court agreed on that point. So even among conservatives who disagree with each other on the decision no one disagreed on the point that Congress has the explicit right to regulate inter-state business transactions.
I got it though. You dont think "among the States" means inter-state.
Thought police are always going to be around. Apple and other companies are wrong here. Racists will find another symbol while the rest of America will forget the civil war ever happened (assuming most dont already know). Racism and race nationalism will come back... It always has. It never really dissappeared in most of the world anyway.
Hatefull and angry. Angry and religious. Right wing and intransigent. Homophobic and cold hearted. Vitriolic and narcissistic.
As Apple has become very mainstream over the years the fan base has inevitably changed in nature. Certainly if these forums are a guide the intellectually curious and liberal thinkers (all requisite for creative thinking), are in the minority. Anonymous forums clearly draws out the narcissism in people. It is a pity. Occasionally there are good threads here imo, where differences are forgotten and the subject matter rules. Very refreshing when that happens.
I discussed this with a number of friends here just recently, before one of the couples took a month-long trip across the Southwest. My summarised advice to them beforehand, was to stick to "soft topics" if they ever strike up a longer discussion with an American. By no means mention: Obama, gun control, racism, healthcare, military, LGBT rights, religion or Native Americans. I'm sure I missed a few topics, but thank doG the big issues we're forewarned against.
Because if following these forums for a few years now has taught me anything, it's that just under the surface of what appears to be a group of really intelligent folks across industries and occupations that can discuss tech on an incredible level of knowledge and experience... lies some very ugly, sad, misinformed and downright violent opinions about getting along with people, and getting on with bringing us as a world community closer together rather than continuing to tear us further apart.
My jaws have dropped more times than I can count at comments from people that I normally agree with, until they show their hateful side. I once mentioned here how interesting it would be if there ever was an organized get together or event that would put many of us in the same room. Over the last year, all I can say is that a fair number of you people I don't ever want to see or hear your thoughts in person.
I only read your words of opinionated right to hate to stay informed... and warn friends when they decide to see what's on the other sude of the pond that is so great.
BTW: the couple that visited came back with quite a pained story to tell, and specifically told me that it was far worse than I warned them about. They will be going back to Australia and New Zealand next year as they've done many years, because quote, "no matter how breathtaking the scenery, it's the people and culture that make a land beautiful". I won't say what conclusion they had of America, because deep down I think all of you know that answer.:no:
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I don't know. Amending the Constitution sounds like a treasonous act by those damn progressive liberals, to me. If it wasn't good enough for my forefathers then it isn't good enough for me. Bill of Rights, more like Bill of Leftist Agendas¡
Its covered in the commerce clause and by default everyone is in the healthcare market place. Sorry.
Just because Comrade Roberts says the bill is legal, doesn't make it so. The bill is unconstitutional in a number of ways.
I don't know. Amending the Constitution sounds like a treasonous act by those damn progressive liberals, to me. If it wasn't good enough for my forefathers then it isn't good enough for me. Bill of Rights, more like Bill of Leftist Agendas¡
"Leftists" in 1787/1791 would be somewhere to the right of the Tea Party today.
Just because you dont agree with a law doesnt mean its unconstitutional. John Roberts has already stated this in a previous Obamacare challenge. I know youre invested in people not getting access to healtcare. Healthcare is a business and as such it's within Congress'right to regulate it like it does all other businesses.
Just because Comrade Roberts says the bill is legal, doesn't make it so. The bill is unconstitutional in a number of ways.
Yeah, it pretty much does. That's how the system works. Besides the vote was 6-3 not 5-4.
1) The Constitution isn't a Prego spaghetti sauce so not everything is going to be in there.
2) So you disagree with the Amendments to the Constitution since they weren't originally in there or would you simply like these government bodies that have made civilization better to simply be added to it?
I don't agree with every amendment, but those that exist were amended using the correct political process. The ACA was an end-run because there was not enough support to amend national healthcare to the Constitution.
Its covered in the commerce clause and by default everyone is in the healthcare market place. Sorry. If you run a business congress can regulate it.
That's not what the Commerce Clause is about. It's about INTERSTATE commerce, trade with foreign countries and (lest we forget) with the Indian tribes.
I don't know. Amending the Constitution sounds like a treasonous act by those damn progressive liberals, to me. If it wasn't good enough for my forefathers then it isn't good enough for me. Bill of Rights, more like Bill of Leftist Agendas¡
No, amending the Constitution is deliberately difficult for a reason. Remember, the Constitution is an agreement among the states, the Republic. America didn't want to make the same historical mistakes as have always been made under kings and dictators.
As Apple has become very mainstream over the years the fan base has inevitably changed in nature. Certainly if these forums are a guide the intellectually curious and liberal thinkers (all requisite for creative thinking), are in the minority. Anonymous forums clearly draws out the narcissism in people. It is a pity. Occasionally there are good threads here imo, where differences are forgotten and the subject matter rules. Very refreshing when that happens.
You are going to have to actually read the constitution. You people are always running your mouth about documents you havent even read.
Just because you dont agree with a law doesnt mean its unconstitutional. John Roberts has already stated this in a previous Obamacare challenge. I know youre invested in people not getting access to healtcare. Healthcare is a business and as such it's within Congress'right to regulate it like it does all other businesses.
And will a future president under a Republican Congress be right when they defund it?
"To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes"
It's explicit. Again go back and read the constitution.
The President doesn't have that power. Congress has that power. Read your Constitution.
I know that. It's not being defunded now because of this president.
"To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes"
It's explicit. Again go back and read the constitution.
What part of "interstate commerce" was confusing to you?
I know that. It's not being defunded now because of this president.
Defunding has never reached the President's desk for him to veto.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commerce_Clause
The previous law suit against Obamacare and scotus decision even states that the mandate presupposes a business transaction and the supreme court agreed on that point. So even among conservatives who disagree with each other on the decision no one disagreed on the point that Congress has the explicit right to regulate inter-state business transactions.
I got it though. You dont think "among the States" means inter-state.
Poor you.
I discussed this with a number of friends here just recently, before one of the couples took a month-long trip across the Southwest. My summarised advice to them beforehand, was to stick to "soft topics" if they ever strike up a longer discussion with an American. By no means mention: Obama, gun control, racism, healthcare, military, LGBT rights, religion or Native Americans. I'm sure I missed a few topics, but thank doG the big issues we're forewarned against.
Because if following these forums for a few years now has taught me anything, it's that just under the surface of what appears to be a group of really intelligent folks across industries and occupations that can discuss tech on an incredible level of knowledge and experience... lies some very ugly, sad, misinformed and downright violent opinions about getting along with people, and getting on with bringing us as a world community closer together rather than continuing to tear us further apart.
My jaws have dropped more times than I can count at comments from people that I normally agree with, until they show their hateful side. I once mentioned here how interesting it would be if there ever was an organized get together or event that would put many of us in the same room. Over the last year, all I can say is that a fair number of you people I don't ever want to see or hear your thoughts in person.
I only read your words of opinionated right to hate to stay informed... and warn friends when they decide to see what's on the other sude of the pond that is so great.
BTW: the couple that visited came back with quite a pained story to tell, and specifically told me that it was far worse than I warned them about. They will be going back to Australia and New Zealand next year as they've done many years, because quote, "no matter how breathtaking the scenery, it's the people and culture that make a land beautiful". I won't say what conclusion they had of America, because deep down I think all of you know that answer.:no: