But is fine to do so. The confederate flag is still flown with pride and what it represents is despicable and huge blight on the US conscience and history. Under the present circumstances I agree with it being relegated to the bin. It will not disappear but every time it is used is sends a very nasty message to an awful lot of people.
It only sends a nasty message to people who take it that way. To those that turned that Flag to mean something far,, far worse then what it was ever meant to. It's south pride, and means nothing to them about Slavery. Hell only a tiny fraction of people even owned a Slave. The Civil War really wasn't fought over Slavery so much as other things. Northern Aggression!!! Slavery would have and was going away all on it's own anyway. Owning Slaves and all that went along with that was getting to the point where it was cheaper to just hire someone to work for you.
People ignore the facts that the North had slaves first. There were also BLACK Slave owners, and who do you think sold Black slaves from Africa? Other Blacks!!!!! Gloss over and hide all them facts and just make it out like it was all the whites in the South owning slaves. Like every home had a slave in it and that's complete B.S.
It's a dumb silly Flag that has far more meaning then Slavery. I don't live in the South. have never owned one of these flags and never plan to, but maybe I'll go out and buy a few just because this whole ban thing is a load of crap!!! Apple jumping on the bandwagon like a politician and in the end it's meaningless and won't change anything.
The LGBT Pride flag plastered all over iTunes and the App Store each month is offensive to me and other Christians, yet Tim Cook won't support our moral standards.
Is this a joke or are you seriously comparing the two?
The confederate battle flag represents a part of the country that seceded from the union, based on their determination to preserve slavery. It was later the symbol embraced by those people's descendants, who then wanted to preserve institutionalized discrimination and segregation based on race. It is to this day embraced by white supremacists.
A gay pride flag represents a group of people who have themselves been oppressed for centuries and deprived of the freedom to live their own lives in peace while harming no one in the process.
Your taking offense at the display of a gay pride flag indicates either a) your hatred of people based solely on their sexual orientation, or b) your deep set insecurities about your own sexuality. Either way... keep it to yourself.
Most everything you said about the Confederate Flag is a load of crap!!!
How is that Raciest? You can't say it, but it's OK as long as it's in a RAP song? Only Blacks can say it, not any other race? I find that quite offensive. I think Any Music that has that in is should be banned!!!
One can make valid points on both sides of that issue, but unless you're black you have no say in the matter. Go back to whistling Dixie and you won't have to hear it.
Amazon says they pulled the flags because of federal law.
There is no such law. There can be no such law.
Originally Posted by freediverx
...unless you’re black you have no say in the matter.
There are no words banned to me.
Originally Posted by freediverx
Well, technically, the original American colonists were all illegal immigrants.
Legitimately. Not only was there no law among Indioe society that stated anything about immigration, Indioes had no concept of the ownership of land, thus no Europeans could possibly be illegal, nor were they infringing on anyone’s land.
Ridiculous. I agree that the flag has no place flying outside public buildings, but Apple's trigger-happy response shows a disturbing lack of careful thought.
So who gets to decide what is offensive or mean-spirited? This is nuts and Tim Cook should put a stop to it.
My take
If we have culture of intolerance then the government has to react to that intolerance with no tolerance for that intolerance. Life is not fair. but there you are! We did it to ourselves
You don't need a written law to know that taking over a continent from indigenous people and committing genocide is not an ok thing to do. I would think someone of Indian descent would be sympathetic to the plight of a peaceful nation invaded by European colonists.
What arrogant nonsense. First, a person's 'descent' has nothing to do with his/her views. It's kind of racist to suggest otherwise. Second, you're essentially agreed on the implied point that your reference to a 'law' was pulled out of your a**. Third, I realize that people use the term 'genocide' to describe what happened to native Americans, and I agree that what happened was quite bad. Does it rise to the level of a legal definition of 'genocide'? Link please.
that case law came to pass after the civil war had ended, and after the states already seceded. they did so legally, which is why no one was ever tried for treason afterward. it was their right.
the law may have decided to change that afterward, but that doesnt mean much in this context.
Well no one was tried for treason because Johnson et al wanted reconciliation and to come together as one country.
The LGBT Pride flag plastered all over iTunes and the App Store each month is offensive to me and other Christians, yet Tim Cook won't support our moral standards.
Moral standards? You mean that so-called religion you believe in that hides and protects child molesters from prosecution, and allows it to continue? Last time I checked, fighting for equal rights and same-sex partners in a relationship was not a crime. Every time I open the App Store or iTunes Store, I never see LGBT pride plastered everywhere. So you have given a lousy example with your so-called "moral standards" religion crap. Your religion and the Catholic religion have been molesting children for decades, and then using their BS excuse of a religion to pretend it is okay with fake forgiveness. By the way, if you are so offended by same-sex partners, you should stop buying Apple products since Tim Cook is proud to be a gay man.
A gun is in inanimate object and can't do a damn thing without a human being involved.
Same with the FLAG!!! Even with a Human involved with it, the flag would be pretty hard to use to kill someone with!!! Ban the Flag, try to cover up history instead of learning from history and in the end repeat history. Now the flag is gone. All Racism is not gone and over with . No people will be murdered ever again. Problem is all solved now. YEH!!!!!
Oh wait,.... It didn't change a thing. It's just a lame excuse.
Also bail-in laws, allowing banks to steal the balances of all their depositors. Enjoy September!
Ended the War in Iraq
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA You mean the place in which we’re still fighting?
Eliminated Osama bin laden
Who either died in December 2001 or was killed much earlier. But I’m sure Obama held the gun to his head himself.
ned Around U.S. Auto Industry
If by -ned you mean “brought under government ownership companies that should have been allowed to fail-ned”.
Recapitalized Banks
And hasn’t that just worked out swimmingly¡
Toppled Moammar Gaddafi
The strongest economy on the continent and the force that kept the Islamic State at bay in his country, just like in Iraq and Syria. No, I don’t support dictatorships; I support the US not giving a flying fish about any country but itself.
Kicked Banks Out of Federal Student Loan Program, Expanded Pell Grant Spendi
And yet the student loan bubble grew all through the recession. Gee.
Coordinated International Response to Financial Crisis
Good job, getting the entire western world to agree to bail-ins! Won’t that work out well when everyone has their balances stolen¡
Increased Support for Veterans
You mean the VA scandals? That’s support?
Created Conditions to Begin Closing Dirtiest Power Plants
Hooray for brownouts!
Protected Two Liberal Seats on the U.S. Supreme Court
This is the definition of the opposite of a good thing.
Improved Food Safety System
In what capacity?
Achieved New START Treaty
Because if there’s one thing we need, it’s less security.
Gave the FDA Power to Regulate Tobacco
Doing a bang up job of it, aren’t they¡
Passed Fair Sentencing Act
What was unfair before?
Invested Heavily in Renewable Technology
Solyndra, what a great investment¡
Cracked Down on Bad For-Profit Colleges
Funny, because I seem to remember absolutely nothing whatsoever happening with the price of college other than it continuing to increase.
Expanded Hate Crimes Protection
There is no such thing as a hate crime, hate speech, or any of the related terms.
Pushed Broadband Coverage
When am I expected to see these changes?
Killed the F-22
In favor of the ludicrously overpriced and worthless F-35! What a splendid way to end a list!
I thought Apple was a liberal company that supported free speech and First Amendment rights. Should Apple next remove any apps that reference the Bible since some people find the bible offensive?
Come on you know perfectly well that shouting "fire" in a crowed theatre is banned. Use of the flag amount to the same thing and you know that perfectly well. So stop being an ass! so people finding the Bible offensive really, even if the do which is not true the Bible it doesn't generally cause uneducated children in adult bodies to go around shooting people! unless they are completely insane
How is that Raciest? You can't say it, but it's OK as long as it's in a RAP song? Only Blacks can say it, not any other race? I find that quite offensive. I think Any Music that has that in is should be banned!!!
One can make valid points on both sides of that issue, but unless you're black you have no say in the matter. Go back to whistling Dixie and you won't have to hear it.
Wow, you win. For the Most Idiotic Post of this thread. ????????
Ridiculous. I agree that the flag has no place flying outside public buildings, but Apple's trigger-happy response shows a disturbing lack of careful thought.
Amazon and others did the same thing, yet you can still buy WWII games with the swastika. Political correctness out of control by ignorant marketing people.
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But is fine to do so. The confederate flag is still flown with pride and what it represents is despicable and huge blight on the US conscience and history. Under the present circumstances I agree with it being relegated to the bin. It will not disappear but every time it is used is sends a very nasty message to an awful lot of people.
It only sends a nasty message to people who take it that way. To those that turned that Flag to mean something far,, far worse then what it was ever meant to. It's south pride, and means nothing to them about Slavery. Hell only a tiny fraction of people even owned a Slave. The Civil War really wasn't fought over Slavery so much as other things. Northern Aggression!!! Slavery would have and was going away all on it's own anyway. Owning Slaves and all that went along with that was getting to the point where it was cheaper to just hire someone to work for you.
People ignore the facts that the North had slaves first. There were also BLACK Slave owners, and who do you think sold Black slaves from Africa? Other Blacks!!!!! Gloss over and hide all them facts and just make it out like it was all the whites in the South owning slaves. Like every home had a slave in it and that's complete B.S.
It's a dumb silly Flag that has far more meaning then Slavery. I don't live in the South. have never owned one of these flags and never plan to, but maybe I'll go out and buy a few just because this whole ban thing is a load of crap!!! Apple jumping on the bandwagon like a politician and in the end it's meaningless and won't change anything.
The LGBT Pride flag plastered all over iTunes and the App Store each month is offensive to me and other Christians, yet Tim Cook won't support our moral standards.
Is this a joke or are you seriously comparing the two?
The confederate battle flag represents a part of the country that seceded from the union, based on their determination to preserve slavery. It was later the symbol embraced by those people's descendants, who then wanted to preserve institutionalized discrimination and segregation based on race. It is to this day embraced by white supremacists.
A gay pride flag represents a group of people who have themselves been oppressed for centuries and deprived of the freedom to live their own lives in peace while harming no one in the process.
Your taking offense at the display of a gay pride flag indicates either a) your hatred of people based solely on their sexual orientation, or b) your deep set insecurities about your own sexuality. Either way... keep it to yourself.
Most everything you said about the Confederate Flag is a load of crap!!!
How is that Raciest? You can't say it, but it's OK as long as it's in a RAP song? Only Blacks can say it, not any other race? I find that quite offensive. I think Any Music that has that in is should be banned!!!
One can make valid points on both sides of that issue, but unless you're black you have no say in the matter. Go back to whistling Dixie and you won't have to hear it.
Amazon says they pulled the flags because of federal law.
There is no such law. There can be no such law.
...unless you’re black you have no say in the matter.
There are no words banned to me.
Well, technically, the original American colonists were all illegal immigrants.
Legitimately. Not only was there no law among Indioe society that stated anything about immigration, Indioes had no concept of the ownership of land, thus no Europeans could possibly be illegal, nor were they infringing on anyone’s land.
You don't think that homosexuals and transgenders have EVER been attacked?
You misinterpreted my comment. I was saying that no one's ever been killed by a mob of gay people flying a rainbow flag. I'm on your side.
I strongly disagree with Obama on a couple of issues:
1) Continuing support of unbridled government surveillance & crackdown on whistleblowers
2) Lack of accountability for Wall Street crooks
On the plus side?
FCC passed Net Neutrality
Passed Health Care Reform
Passed the Stimulus
Passed Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform
Ended the War in Iraq
Began Drawdown of War in Afghanistan
Eliminated Osama bin laden
ned Around U.S. Auto Industry
Recapitalized Banks
Repealed “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”
Toppled Moammar Gaddafi
Told Mubarak to Go
Reversed Bush Torture Policies
Kicked Banks Out of Federal Student Loan Program, Expanded Pell Grant Spendi
Boosted Fuel Efficiency Standards
Coordinated International Response to Financial Crisis
Increased Support for Veterans
Tightened Sanctions on Iran
Created Conditions to Begin Closing Dirtiest Power Plants
Passed Credit Card Reforms
Eliminated Catch-22 in Pay Equality Laws
Protected Two Liberal Seats on the U.S. Supreme Court
Improved Food Safety System
Achieved New START Treaty
Expanded National Service
Expanded Wilderness and Watershed Protection
Gave the FDA Power to Regulate Tobacco
Passed Fair Sentencing Act
Trimmed and Reoriented Missile Defense
Began Post-Post-9/11 Military Build down
Invested Heavily in Renewable Technology
Cracked Down on Bad For-Profit Colleges
Expanded Hate Crimes Protection
Pushed Broadband Coverage
Expanded Health Coverage for Children
Expanded Stem Cell Research
Killed the F-22
Libya and Egypt not so good right now. Dare I say worse than before?
The Middle East is a disaster zone right now.
And we release terrorists back into the wild!
Great stuff!
Thank you Dear Leader!
You should embrace the business opportunity and open a gun shop that sells confederate flags alongside ARs.
That's not a bad idea if your store can get a hold of some Flags to sell. Free Flag with a Gun Purchase!!! They could make a killing. No pun intended.
So who gets to decide what is offensive or mean-spirited? This is nuts and Tim Cook should put a stop to it.
My takeIf we have culture of intolerance then the government has to react to that intolerance with no tolerance for that intolerance. Life is not fair. but there you are! We did it to ourselves
What arrogant nonsense. First, a person's 'descent' has nothing to do with his/her views. It's kind of racist to suggest otherwise. Second, you're essentially agreed on the implied point that your reference to a 'law' was pulled out of your a**. Third, I realize that people use the term 'genocide' to describe what happened to native Americans, and I agree that what happened was quite bad. Does it rise to the level of a legal definition of 'genocide'? Link please.
Well no one was tried for treason because Johnson et al wanted reconciliation and to come together as one country.
The LGBT Pride flag plastered all over iTunes and the App Store each month is offensive to me and other Christians, yet Tim Cook won't support our moral standards.
Moral standards? You mean that so-called religion you believe in that hides and protects child molesters from prosecution, and allows it to continue? Last time I checked, fighting for equal rights and same-sex partners in a relationship was not a crime. Every time I open the App Store or iTunes Store, I never see LGBT pride plastered everywhere. So you have given a lousy example with your so-called "moral standards" religion crap. Your religion and the Catholic religion have been molesting children for decades, and then using their BS excuse of a religion to pretend it is okay with fake forgiveness. By the way, if you are so offended by same-sex partners, you should stop buying Apple products since Tim Cook is proud to be a gay man.
A gun is in inanimate object and can't do a damn thing without a human being involved.
Same with the FLAG!!! Even with a Human involved with it, the flag would be pretty hard to use to kill someone with!!! Ban the Flag, try to cover up history instead of learning from history and in the end repeat history. Now the flag is gone. All Racism is not gone and over with . No people will be murdered ever again. Problem is all solved now. YEH!!!!!
Oh wait,.... It didn't change a thing. It's just a lame excuse.
FCC passed Net Neutrality
Passed the opposite, actually.
lol.
Which did SO much good¡
Also bail-in laws, allowing banks to steal the balances of all their depositors. Enjoy September!
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA You mean the place in which we’re still fighting?
Who either died in December 2001 or was killed much earlier. But I’m sure Obama held the gun to his head himself.
If by -ned you mean “brought under government ownership companies that should have been allowed to fail-ned”.
And hasn’t that just worked out swimmingly¡
The strongest economy on the continent and the force that kept the Islamic State at bay in his country, just like in Iraq and Syria. No, I don’t support dictatorships; I support the US not giving a flying fish about any country but itself.
And yet the student loan bubble grew all through the recession. Gee.
Good job, getting the entire western world to agree to bail-ins! Won’t that work out well when everyone has their balances stolen¡
You mean the VA scandals? That’s support?
Hooray for brownouts!
This is the definition of the opposite of a good thing.
In what capacity?
Because if there’s one thing we need, it’s less security.
Doing a bang up job of it, aren’t they¡
What was unfair before?
Solyndra, what a great investment¡
Funny, because I seem to remember absolutely nothing whatsoever happening with the price of college other than it continuing to increase.
There is no such thing as a hate crime, hate speech, or any of the related terms.
When am I expected to see these changes?
In favor of the ludicrously overpriced and worthless F-35! What a splendid way to end a list!
I thought Apple was a liberal company that supported free speech and First Amendment rights. Should Apple next remove any apps that reference the Bible since some people find the bible offensive?
Come on you know perfectly well that shouting "fire" in a crowed theatre is banned. Use of the flag amount to the same thing and you know that perfectly well. So stop being an ass! so people finding the Bible offensive really, even if the do which is not true the Bible it doesn't generally cause uneducated children in adult bodies to go around shooting people! unless they are completely insaneWow, you win. For the Most Idiotic Post of this thread. ????????
Ridiculous. I agree that the flag has no place flying outside public buildings, but Apple's trigger-happy response shows a disturbing lack of careful thought.
Amazon and others did the same thing, yet you can still buy WWII games with the swastika. Political correctness out of control by ignorant marketing people.
I’d say get off the drugs or inebriants, listen to yourself, and then reassess your belief in this sentence.
“Guns don’t kill people... flags do.”